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All too often big companies have stupid and unfair policies that hurt the workers. We need to pass laws to prohibit such stuff.
 
JMaximus said:
You just get passed for a promotion or WTF are you talking about?
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I'll give you an example. Lets say there's this single mom who works at a restaurant to scrape by and support her children. She takes leftover food from the restaurant home every night, food that would be thrown out anyway, to feed her children so they won't starve. The manager finds out and fires her just like that because its against "company policy." That is so low, so despicable, companies should not be allowed to have policies like that and whoever makes such policies for a company should go to jail.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I'll give you an example. Lets say there's this single mom who works at a restaurant to scrape by and support her children. She takes leftover food from the restaurant home every night, food that would be thrown out anyway, to feed her children so they won't starve. The manager finds out and fires her just like that because its against "company policy." That is so low, so despicable, companies should not be allowed to have policies like that and whoever makes such policies for a company should go to jail.
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If she takes the food home and gets sick from it, she could sue the restaurant. Also, allowing it might encourage staff to ensure there are more "leftovers" available for them to take home.

The correct way to address the core problem there is to ensure people can earn enough money to feed their families or having the resources available for those in poverty to get the essentials. This isn't a workers rights issue.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I'll give you an example. Lets say there's this single mom who works at a restaurant to scrape by and support her children. She takes leftover food from the restaurant home every night, food that would be thrown out anyway, to feed her children so they won't starve. The manager finds out and fires her just like that because its against "company policy." That is so low, so despicable, companies should not be allowed to have policies like that and whoever makes such policies for a company should go to jail.
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So you really want to pass a law that says it is okay to feed your employees kitchen scraps? really? I mean like really?
 
DebateChallenge said:
I'll give you an example. Lets say there's this single mom who works at a restaurant to scrape by and support her children. She takes leftover food from the restaurant home every night, food that would be thrown out anyway, to feed her children so they won't starve. The manager finds out and fires her just like that because its against "company policy." That is so low, so despicable, companies should not be allowed to have policies like that and whoever makes such policies for a company should go to jail.
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She should scavenge in the dumpster where she might even regret getting pregnant and dropping out of school at twelve.

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get rid of right to work for less, firing for any reason or for no reason at all, and "let's pretend that you're an independent contractor just here for the day to paint the fence even though you've been working here full time for years or even decades." union busting has left the average worker with very little leverage to negotiate a better salary, and that is its purpose.
 
Helix said:
get rid of right to work for less, firing for any reason or for no reason at all, and "let's pretend that you're an independent contractor just here for the day to paint the fence even though you've been working here full time for years or even decades." union busting has left the average worker with very little leverage to negotiate a better salary, and that is its purpose.
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Bring back unions.....and strikes
 
HonestJoe said:
If she takes the food home and gets sick from it, she could sue the restaurant.
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Anybody who gets sick from eating the restaurant's food can sue the restaurant. Another words simply by being in business the restaurant is taking the risk of being sued by any of its customers if they happen to get sick from the food. The solution is to not have food that makes people sick so you won't be at risk of being sued not only by workers but by common customers.

HonestJoe said:
Also, allowing it might encourage staff to ensure there are more "leftovers" available for them to take home.
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That's why staff should be watched over, to make sure they're doing their job properly and not cheating the restaurant which is what businesses should do anyway with their workers.
 
Drawdown said:
So you really want to pass a law that says it is okay to feed your employees kitchen scraps? really? I mean like really?
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If the employees want leftover food that will be thrown out anyway they should be entitled to it.
 
chuckiechan said:
She should scavenge in the dumpster where she might even regret getting pregnant and dropping out of school at twelve.

Bernie promises free MRE’s air dropped to all poor people on request.
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No, if she wants to take leftover food before it goes to the dumpster she should be allowed to.
 
DebateChallenge said:
If the employees want leftover food that will be thrown out anyway they should be entitled to it.
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Well 1) no. leftover food might very well not be safe and 2) An employer who would fire their workers over that is a dick for not saying, "Yo, take it if you want it".
 
Drawdown said:
leftover food might very well not be safe
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If a restaurant doesn't serve food that is safe to eat than it shouldn't be in business. Just because food is left over doesn't mean it is any less safe to eat than the food that is served to the customers.
 
DebateChallenge said:
If a restaurant doesn't serve food that is safe to eat than it shouldn't be in business. Just because food is left over doesn't mean it is any less safe to eat than the food that is served to the customers.
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And often it is less safe. That is why there are actual rules and such for food handling.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I'll give you an example. Lets say there's this single mom who works at a restaurant to scrape by and support her children. She takes leftover food from the restaurant home every night, food that would be thrown out anyway, to feed her children so they won't starve. The manager finds out and fires her just like that because its against "company policy." That is so low, so despicable, companies should not be allowed to have policies like that and whoever makes such policies for a company should go to jail.
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The reason there is policy like that is to prevent incentivizing theft. If it was acceptable to take home "leftover food" you would see an increase in "leftovers" as people would feel entitled to their own meals to take home. You are not entitled to the property of others.
 
DebateChallenge said:
All too often big companies have stupid and unfair policies that hurt the workers. We need to pass laws to prohibit such stuff.
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We did. Such laws have been just beaten down and forgotten. We have to wait for another great rising.

It's on the way; don't worry.
 
Nap said:
The reason there is policy like that is to prevent incentivizing theft. If it was acceptable to take home "leftover food" you would see an increase in "leftovers" as people would feel entitled to their own meals to take home. You are not entitled to the property of others.
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DebateChallenge said:
Anybody who gets sick from eating the restaurant's food can sue the restaurant.
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Sorry, I wasn't very clear. The restaurant is in control of everything they serve to customers, which is why they're legally responsible for ensuring the food is safe. The moment a staff member gathers the leftovers and takes them home, the restaurant is no long in control of their safety but remains legally responsible.

DebateChallenge said:
That's why staff should be watched over, to make sure they're doing their job properly and not cheating the restaurant which is what businesses should do anyway with their workers.
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You're playing two things off each other now. You want businesses legally proscribed from implementing restrictions on "rights" but you also expect them to closely monitor their staff.

Again, this isn't a workers rights issue. A restaurant is perfectly entitled to choose to help out struggling staff members and that might include letting them have unused food (in a safe and managed manner). They could even be celebrated for doing so. That doesn't make it the legal right of a worker to simply take anything they determine is no longer required by the business.
 
DebateChallenge said:
I'll give you an example. Lets say there's this single mom who works at a restaurant to scrape by and support her children. She takes leftover food from the restaurant home every night, food that would be thrown out anyway, to feed her children so they won't starve. The manager finds out and fires her just like that because its against "company policy." That is so low, so despicable, companies should not be allowed to have policies like that and whoever makes such policies for a company should go to jail.
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When I asked that question, I never imagined the answer to "what is this thread about?" would have been "leftovers".

This is just an absurd issue to raise in terms of workers' rights - indeed, as many have pointed out, it really has nothing to do with workers' rights at all. If you want to talk about workers' rights in the restaurant industry, why not look at something meaningful like the numerous state laws allowing employers to pay tipped workers less than minimum wage?
 
DebateChallenge said:
I'll give you an example. Lets say there's this single mom who works at a restaurant to scrape by and support her children. She takes leftover food from the restaurant home every night, food that would be thrown out anyway, to feed her children so they won't starve. The manager finds out and fires her just like that because its against "company policy." That is so low, so despicable, companies should not be allowed to have policies like that and whoever makes such policies for a company should go to jail.
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She needs to move to Nevada. I hear people in the Nevada culinary union have a pretty sweet deal going on. Then she wouldn't need to steal from her employer.
 
There are "ServSafe" laws requiring food that has sat out too long, or has passed its expiration date to be thrown away. There are no exceptions to allow donating it to employees or anyone else. The manager would be breaking the law if he allowed the worker to take food home.

The problem is the vast majority of the time the "expired" food is still perfectly safe to eat, but the law doesn't allow for any common sense provisions. That's our over-regulated, over-litigious society where if you do happen to get sick, you can sue the restaurant or even get it shut down.
 
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