A Democratic Republic or Athoritarianism?

jamesbyoung said:

You don't think a national election is not a poll?

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jmotivator said:

No, it isn't. If anything it is a push poll which are never really representative. And Trump won the election and has the power vested in the Executive branch. Not liking the outcome of the election doesn't mean you are in control, and also no, we don't go to the polls to vote on court cases.

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ludin said:

democrats are the biggest authoritarianist there are.
the only cult is the one going on with democrats at this point in time.

they want to control your healthcare
control where you live
control how much money you can have
control what you eat
control what you can drive
control how you can protect yourself.

you leftist and your silly claims amuse me.

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bongsaway said:

I want a president I can respect along with the rest of the world.

This man is a disgrace to the office of the president, america and people in general. A pathological lying con man. Everyone knows it and yet many dismiss it. Sad.

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captaintrips said:

I have great news for you !

barack hussein obama is not the president any more !

Maybe you missed it, but we had an election. It WAS scary for awhile ! hilary clinton wanted to drag bill back into the whitehouse !... maybe she wanted to watch his sexcapades this time ?

Who knows... but we lucked out. Donald Trump ran AND WON !!

So all is well. Actually things are going very well ! You have a lot of catching up to do ... I'll leave you to it...

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jamesbyoung said:

So Trump's election was "never really representative." Oh, people cannot like the outcome of an election and remove the power from the winner through various ways. And, yes, my friend, Trump is wrong about getting involved in court cases.

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And the pressure on Trump only grows for his anti-American behavior.

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bongsaway said:

And I'll leave you to get back to your hibernation.

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" ..a disgrace to the office of the president, america and people in general. A pathological lying con man. Everyone knows it and yet many dismiss it. Sad. "

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Obama’s ideological beliefs were never closely examined ..as his presidency unfolded, serious questions began to pile up about who he really was...

In his 1995 memoir, Dreams From My Father, Obama described the only six months he would ever work for a profit-making company as “working for the enemy,” adding that he felt like “a spy behind enemy lines.”

Obama also acknowledged in Dreams an affinity he had for Marxist professors, yet he has refused to release his transcripts of his years at Columbia, ....

In Dreams, Obama made numerous admiring references to Frank Marshall Davis, arguably his single most influential adolescent mentor. The subject of a 600-page FBI file, Davis was a pro-Soviet, card-carrying member of the Communist Party USA. When Obama released a 2005 audio version of Dreams in anticipation of running for president, all references to Davis were quietly purged...

...he developed a close, 20-year association with Rev. Jeremiah “God d--n America” Wright. As pastor of Trinity United Methodist Church, Wright taught black liberation theology, ..

Obama had another important mentor from Chicago, Saul Alinsky.

In 1995, Obama began his political career in the living room of Bill Ayers, a self-declared communist revolutionary who has worked his entire adult life toward the destruction of America’s capitalist system. To save his campaign, Obama dismissed Ayers as “just a guy who lives in my neighborhood, not someone I regularly exchange ideas with.” But as reported by The Wall Street Journal, an investigation showed otherwise.

In March 2016, when he no longer faced re-election, and with communist officials of Castro’s murderous regime standing beside him, Obama defiantly posed in front of a six-story statue of one of communism’s most celebrated icons, Ernesto “Che” Guevara...

Eight years earlier, a Cuban flag bearing an image of Guevara was removed from Obama’s Houston campaign office, but only after it was publicly revealed. The Guevara flag doesn’t mean that Obama approves of the mass-murdering communist revolutionary, but does suggest his Houston campaign office had reason to believe he did.

Obama made a statement that attracted little attention at the time, vowing to “fundamentally transform the United States of America.” Caught up in the euphoria of Hope and Change, many who voted for him never thought to ask themselves, Transform it into what?

A long trail of compelling evidence leads to the unavoidable conclusion that his strategy from the beginning has been to carefully conceal his true ideology, while quietly working to transform America into a communist society, a total betrayal of the oath he took to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, including the hammer and sickle. Without cover from the corrupt mainstream media, he would never have been elected.

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ludin said:

democrats are the biggest authoritarianist there are.
the only cult is the one going on with democrats at this point in time.

they want to control your healthcare
control where you live
control how much money you can have
control what you eat
control what you can drive
control how you can protect yourself.

you leftist and your silly claims amuse me.

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captaintrips said:

Oh good ! You're a pal : )

Something for you to read, since you're active and ambitious.

I caution you to ignore the following, as I don't wish to invade the dream-lands, or upset anyone. Here it is whatever you decide . .

barack obama fits your above description perfectly.



America thought by electing a black person, it would prove something. What it proved was that just any 'black person' wasn't the answer... we ignored everything and voted with our feelings.

Bad idea.

barack hussein obama was not a friend of America

He was, and still is an enemy. He hates America

America paid a high price for electing him - in case you hate the current president, you can blame that too on barack hussien obama !

Now that we're past the obama "presidency," we should examine some known facts about Mr. obama...items we SHOULD have examined BEFORE we decided we should elect someone "because he's black."... we're currently considering electing someone "because he's gay." We're soon going to see if America learned anything from our great friend barack hussein obama - who was mainly elected "because he is black."

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jmotivator said:

The office of the president can and does get involved in lots of federal court cases because it is part of the job of the office of the President. From the mundane to the SCOTUS, the President and their policy play a critical role in federal court cases. Dumb statements like that only hurt your side's case in the long run with the public. There is nothing anti-American about the President doing his job.

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bongsaway said:

Not to worry. Your claims of what the democratic 'cult' wants amuses us.

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redrover said:

You forgot to mention that we also want to control who you shoot.

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jamesbyoung said:

The President is doing HIS job not that of the President of the US. He still is mired at the same % he has been for more than three years, and that will become worse as the election season moves on.

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jmotivator said:

No, your talking point is nonsense. The US economy is doing well, consumer optimism is very high, and we have major new trade agreements in place AND a lowering of foreign tariffs on US goods. The Progressives and anti-Trumpers (but I repeat myself) are so far off script that they have now been relegated to inventing false narratives to scare you. Again, can you name anything that the "Authoritarian" Trump presidency is forcing you to do?

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uptower said:

I think on the list provided Trump misses three points: Obsession with security, religion and military worship. These he just plays lip service to.

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However the Republican Party platform fits the entire list to a T. I think they're a little blindsided by this incompetent populist grabbing control of the party's easily led base, but they probably want to hold on till a more competent nationalist/authoritarian from their own ranks comes up and can actually lead as well, can actually hide some of his craziness and gain broader appeal. Then the world is in trouble.

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The 14 points of Fascism

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Supremacy of the Military

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Rampant Sexism

The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Controlled Mass Media

Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Obsession with National Security

Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Religion and Government are Intertwined

Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Corporate Power is Protected

The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Labor Power is Suppressed

Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Obsession with Crime and Punishment

Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

Fraudulent Elections

Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

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uptower said:

I think on the list provided Trump misses three points: Obsession with security, religion and military worship. These he just plays lip service to.

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However the Republican Party platform fits the entire list to a T. I think they're a little blindsided by this incompetent populist grabbing control of the party's easily led base, but they probably want to hold on till a more competent nationalist/authoritarian from their own ranks comes up and can actually lead as well, can actually hide some of his craziness and gain broader appeal. Then the world is in trouble.

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uptower said:

Raising the bar a little high. The authoritarianism is creeping and the GOP participates. Voter suppression is one, Trump's wish to silence journalists, his attempts to co-opt the DOJ into his personal weapon against political rivals. The beginnings are there. They're nowhere near the stage of 'forcing' everyday citizens to 'do stuff' but even one step down that road is one too many.

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jamesbyoung said:

People are not arguing whether he has the power, jmotivator, but whether he should use that power, and the majoritarian feeling is that Trump has really crossed over the line. The ever-growing TDS as displayed by Trump supporters demonstrate their awareness their guy is in deep doo doo.

And when it comes to American decency and law and values, no American will accept a lecture from a Trump supporter.

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captaintrips said:

Oh good ! You're a pal : )

Something for you to read, since you're active and ambitious.

I caution you to ignore the following, as I don't wish to invade the dream-lands, or upset anyone. Here it is whatever you decide . .

barack obama fits your above description perfectly.



America thought by electing a black person, it would prove something. What it proved was that just any 'black person' wasn't the answer... we ignored everything and voted with our feelings.

Bad idea.

barack hussein obama was not a friend of America

He was, and still is an enemy. He hates America

America paid a high price for electing him - in case you hate the current president, you can blame that too on barack hussien obama !

Now that we're past the obama "presidency," we should examine some known facts about Mr. obama...items we SHOULD have examined BEFORE we decided we should elect someone "because he's black."... we're currently considering electing someone "because he's gay." We're soon going to see if America learned anything from our great friend barack hussein obama - who was mainly elected "because he is black."

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jamesbyoung said:

False logic standard fallacy does not cut it for you.

Trump says the economy has serious problems.

The Pro-Trump and GOP narratives are fake.

That is why Republican confidence in the fall is waffling badly.
The new trade agreementrs 'are not' in place.

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ObamacareFail said:

Very good points. The excesses of the Obama administration played a large part in the movement that elected Trump. Without the uproar over Obama's policies, the Hildabeast would have easily defeated the weak establishment republican field that existed at the time.

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Wry Catcher said:

Which do you support:

Today it is clear we are living in a new normal. The current Senators, under the leadership of McConnell has demonstrated that one person can have a major impact on our form of government. There is no doubt that Authoritarianism is now, with no thanks to 51 Senators, a new form of governance, i.e. Trumpism.

IMO, Trumpism is akin to fascism, and a reader with an open mind and who has watched the behavior of Trump and McConnell will see much similarity to these 14 points:

14 signs of fascism - Google Search

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ObamacareFail said:

Majoritarian where exactly?

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