Minimum wage hikes are causing restaurants to close, costing jobs

[zimmer]

Who couldn’t see this coming?

Economic illiterate Leftists.

 

[aociswundumho]

Leftists don't care about the results of their idiotic policies. Their response to this video would be that this woman and others like her must be sacrificed for the collective good.

 

[TheRepublican]

So what stupidity doesn’t care (aoc)


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[narrowroad]

Leftists don't care about the results of their idiotic policies. Their response to this video would be that this woman and others like her must be sacrificed for the collective good.

the collective good aint so dang good when libs rule

 

[Jonsa]

yeah, seems trump's USMCA cares more about mexican workers earning $15/hr minimum than they do about americans.

Nothing like keeping the working poor, poor and dependent on socialist programs so the right can whine about how everyone receiving it is a whining lazy leech.

 

[Jason Warfield]

For starters....

The jobs report says we've increased jobs...she says she can't find one because everything is closing.

The jobs report also shows that companies like Amazon are doing well by raising the minimum wage as it attracts workers to work for them...which encourages their competitors to do the same (sounds like capitalism to me) to get more labor to bring in profit more quickly.

So either the jobs report is wrong, or it is right and Trump is a socialist.

BTW, for those of us with bar and restaurant experience, we are looking at this woman and wondering what the other factors are that are making her close her business; the minimum wage hike won't do that. Here's why...

Tipped employees, by federal law, get a much lower hourly rate if the earn at least $30 in tips per month and are exempt from minimum wage. However, if a state has a higher minimum wage than the federal government, then the employer has to pay the higher rate...unless the worker makes it up in tips. In which case, the employer only has to pay the much lower hourly rate.

So, if you have a good waiter/waitress, the employer will pay that person the exempt hourly rate, which is usually somewhere between 4 to 5 dollars (I pay 5 dollars) because the tips the employee makes will reach whatever the minimum wage is for the state, which is easy to do if they are good a their jobs; most good waitstaff will go beyond the minimum wage, that is the norm.

So, if this woman is closing because of the minimum wage (I believe it is $13.50/hour there), then she has a crappy wait staff. Having a crappy wait staff does several things to a business. First, clearly the employee is lazy and not wanting to earn more money to improve their situation. As stated above...it is actually in their best interest to gain more in tips as the minimum wage will most likely not pay for their bills. Second, bad employees in any business brings down morale; affecting productive workers in a negative fashion. And lastly, word of mouth on bad service goes around REAL quick and can kill any business...restaurants. So, this woman may be horrible in hiring and probably gives way too many second chances to avoid firing someone or to encourage them to quit.

And she may not understand the law and I am surprised (well, this is FOX, so not really) that no one has corrected her on that there are no exemptions. There are. You can look them up pretty quickly.

So, I have a feeling that there is more to her troubles than she is letting on.

 

[Jake]

Who couldn’t see this coming?

Economic illiterate Leftists.

Maybe conservatives should learn to take personal responsibility. A radical thought for many but worth a try.

 

[Gondwanaland]

Who couldn’t see this coming?

Economic illiterate Leftists.

Golly, no one could have EVER predicted such a thing.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

If I'm not allowed to pay slave wages, I'm going have to close my business. The only way I can profit is if my employees are paid a pittance. What's a girl to do?

 

[danielpalos]

Who couldn’t see this coming?

Economic illiterate Leftists.

Just right wing Capitalist "hate on the Poor", like usual for the Right wing. They could simply pass on those costs to consumers like taxes; but the "Poor may benefit", the social Horror of it all.

 

[Neomalthusian]

Who couldn’t see this coming?

Economic illiterate Leftists.

The main thing that's economically stupid is acting like there can only be positive effects from minimum wage hikes and that they harm no one. Most ideologues don't argue reasonable things like "the advantages seem to outweigh the disadvantages in my opinion, especially in already-high-cost areas of the country." They argue rhetoric and deny any undesirable consequences of their ideas, or they act like hiking the minimum wage is going to solve income inequality. All of that is nonsense.

But with that said, singling out failed businesses for being casualties of minimum wage hikes seems suspect. If a business can't compete and fails after minimum wage goes from, say, $8 to $9 an hour, how was it competing and surviving when minimum wage was just $8? Most businesses succeed or fail for a complex combination of reasons. If a modest hike in a minimum wage is what seems to kill a business, it probably wasn't healthy in the first place. Like blaming a common cold for killing someone when the bigger issue was they had AIDS and the cold just finished them off.

 

[Helix]

I support ending the minimum wage exception for restaurants. I'm tipping the server, not the owner.

 

[chuckiechan]

yeah, seems trump's USMCA cares more about mexican workers earning $15/hr minimum than they do about americans.

Nothing like keeping the working poor, poor and dependent on socialist programs so the right can whine about how everyone receiving it is a whining lazy leech.

You are a bit off base on that. In Mexico, Trump wants to have US automakers stop exploiting Mexico's poverty, and start raising pay rates to put money into the hands of the middle class. That idea was pretty much started by Henry Ford who realized that America had to pay people enough to buy cars. The other benefit, is it makes factories in Mexico less competitive with those in the USA.

Give Trump some points for understanding the economics of the middle class.

 

[danielpalos]

The main thing that's economically stupid is acting like there can only be positive effects from minimum wage hikes and that they harm no one. Most ideologues don't argue reasonable things like "the advantages seem to outweigh the disadvantages in my opinion, especially in already-high-cost areas of the country." They argue rhetoric and deny any undesirable consequences of their ideas, or they act like hiking the minimum wage is going to solve income inequality. All of that is nonsense.

But with that said, singling out failed businesses for being casualties of minimum wage hikes seems suspect. If a business can't compete and fails after minimum wage goes from, say, $8 to $9 an hour, how was it competing and surviving when minimum wage was just $8? Most businesses succeed or fail for a complex combination of reasons. If a modest hike in a minimum wage is what seems to kill a business, it probably wasn't healthy in the first place. Like blaming a common cold for killing someone when the bigger issue was they had AIDS and the cold just finished them off.

A disingenuous argument, right wingers. Pass along the costs to the customer, like usual. You have no problem doing it for anything else, only the Poor under our form of Capitalism.

 

[Moonglow]

min wage in Washington state is $12.00 an hour.

 

[Moonglow]

A disingenuous argument, right wingers. Pass along the costs to the customer, like usual. You have no problem doing it for anything else, only the Poor under our form of Capitalism.

Actually what the hateful repubs on this site always say is that restaurant work is for teens and the elderly and those that are adults working in rest. are losers and need to develop more skills to get a better job, and that rest. are just a stepping stone for a more promising career...

 

[Moonglow]

You are a bit off base on that. In Mexico, Trump wants to have US automakers stop exploiting Mexico's poverty, and start raising pay rates to put money into the hands of the middle class. That idea was pretty much started by Henry Ford who realized that America had to pay people enough to buy cars. The other benefit, is it makes factories in Mexico less competitive with those in the USA.

Give Trump some points for understanding the economics of the middle class.

Trump did none of the negotiating he said on the terlit back in the US Tweeting his turds away..How does Mexicans earning more put more money into the hands of the middle class in the US?

 

[Neomalthusian]

Actually what the hateful repubs on this site always say is that restaurant work is for teens and the elderly and those that are adults working in rest. are losers and need to develop more skills to get a better job, and that rest. are just a stepping stone for a more promising career...

And the left wingers pretend it's going to solve income inequality and make those greedy billionaires pay their fair share. Neither side's mouth-breathing ideologues have a monopoly on stupid.

 

[danielpalos]

min wage in Washington state is $12.00 an hour.

The right wing has no solution for Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment.

 

[danielpalos]

Actually what the hateful repubs on this site always say is that restaurant work is for teens and the elderly and those that are adults working in rest. are losers and need to develop more skills to get a better job, and that rest. are just a stepping stone for a more promising career...

Capitalists have no problem with children doing work in a market that should be for adults, simply for their capital bottom line.

Can they really expect us to confide in their moral sincerity in modern times when we already know they cannot fit through the eye of a needle from the Age of Iron.

There is no legal or moral basis for a Requirement to work in an at-will employment State except as an Punishment for a Crime. Employment is at the will of either party and the unemployed should be able to obtain unemployment compensation for not participating in the market for labor.

 

[chuckiechan]

Trump did none of the negotiating he said on the terlit back in the US Tweeting his turds away..How does Mexicans earning more put more money into the hands of the middle class in the US?

Think.

 

[danielpalos]

And the left wingers pretend it's going to solve income inequality and make those greedy billionaires pay their fair share. Neither side's mouth-breathing ideologues have a monopoly on stupid.

Raising the minimum wage is merely a cost of living adjustment. How will real estate owners be worse off if more people can afford to rent or buy housing?

 

[eman623]

I tried using one of the McDonalds kiosks the other day. Seemed simple enough. The only drawback is that you still have to go to the counter if you're paying cash. And they still messed up my order.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a McDouble has TWO beef patties, right? It's in the name. It's not called, "McSingle"! :2razz:

Next step is to replace the kitchen staff with burger building machines.

 

[danielpalos]

I tried using one of the McDonalds kiosks the other day. Seemed simple enough. The only drawback is that you still have to go to the counter if you're paying cash. And they still messed up my order.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a McDouble has TWO beef patties, right? It's in the name. It's not called, "McSingle"! :2razz:

Next step is to replace the kitchen staff with burger building machines.

We really don't need minimum wage jobs. Go ahead and engender an industrial innovation and automation Boom! Some on the left, capitally Dare you All, right wingers.

 

[eman623]

We really don't need minimum wage jobs. Go ahead and engender an industrial innovation and automation Boom! Some on the left, capitally Dare you All, right wingers.

I think you're being sarcastic, but your last sentence is rather incomprehensible to me.