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Minimum wage hikes are causing restaurants to close, costing jobs

My favorite is the brain dead remark about the 20 dollar hamburger.
 
jbander said:
not , By experience it usually only raises prices slightly and would definitely cost less then sub livable wages and my tax dollar to fill out the bottom line of some monstrous corporations paying to their workers to feed their family. Screw them I don't want to pay for their gold plated bottom line, force them to pay a livable wage. Like I said screw them.
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You’re delusional if you think restaurants have a gold plated bottom line. Your faux outrage is so dramatic.
 
Aberration said:
You’re delusional if you think restaurants have a gold plated bottom line. Your faux outrage is so dramatic.
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You got a problem because all the rednecks support your opinion but all the facts support what i said. You can't find a study that I can't find 10 showing you that you have no clue. And all yours will be by redneck opinion and mine will be studies by people that can be trusted/ So is that dramatic enough for you cowboy
 
jbander said:
not , By experience it usually only raises prices slightly and would definitely cost less then sub livable wages and my tax dollar to fill out the bottom line of some monstrous corporations paying to their workers to feed their family. Screw them I don't want to pay for their gold plated bottom line, force them to pay a livable wage. Like I said screw them.
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Minimum wage jobs are not designed to support a family. They are low-skill/entry level employment opportunities which require minimal training to meet the job description and the qualification pool is plentiful. Why would I pay someone $15/hr when I can find many people willing to work for $12.50 or $10/hr?
 
Then there's something wrong with America, because other prosperous western countries raise their minimum wages every couple of years and the restaurants stay in business. It works there.
 
dcaraz said:
May I rebut your argument?
I am perplexed why it is a conservative point of pride to hold down the wages and economic chance for low wage earners to become upwardly mobile.
What the hell do you think is so great about having your meals and drinks served by folks who scrap by financially, rarely have decent healthcare benefits, or 401Ks?
Oh, I forgot...you tell us that paying a worker $600 for a 40-hour week will ruin America. There is proof you are wrong on this.

New research suggests the $15 minimum wage is not bad for workers like economists feared.
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A minimum wage of $x means that jobs that equal a salary lower than x are illegalised. This means that those who look for unqualified jobs or those who lack experience will have a much harder time to enter the job market. It also makes it harder for new businesses to hire folks because the small burger chain can never compete with the likes of Burger King and McDonald's which is why multinational corporations are so often in favour of mw.

Why do not proponents of minimum wage ever suggest that the minimum wage should be a trillion dollars? Becuase, deep down, they do understand the idiocy behind the policy.
 
jotathought said:
Minimum wage jobs are not designed to support a family. They are low-skill/entry level employment opportunities which require minimal training to meet the job description and the qualification pool is plentiful. Why would I pay someone $15/hr when I can find many people willing to work for $12.50 or $10/hr?
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Because if you don't my tax money is used to feed and house them , so you can gold plate your bottom line. That's bull****. that's why.
 
uptower said:
Then there's something wrong with America, because other prosperous western countries raise their minimum wages every couple of years and the restaurants stay in business. It works there.
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It works everywhere , they are just full of crap all from one side of the isle, The I got mine **** you group.
 
Dacke said:
A minimum wage of $x means that jobs that equal a salary lower than x are illegalised. This means that those who look for unqualified jobs or those who lack experience will have a much harder time to enter the job market. It also makes it harder for new businesses to hire folks because the small burger chain can never compete with the likes of Burger King and McDonald's which is why multinational corporations are so often in favour of mw.

Why do not proponents of minimum wage ever suggest that the minimum wage should be a trillion dollars? Becuase, deep down, they do understand the idiocy behind the policy.
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Here we go a 30 dollar a hamburger and a trillion dollars a hour economic adviser. The problem is your point are either not even close to true or just straight our silly.
 
jbander said:
Here we go a 30 dollar a hamburger and a trillion dollars a hour economic adviser. The problem is your point are either not even close to true or just straight our silly.
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No, my points are rooted in reality, unlike those deluded minimum wage-advocators. Since I understand basic economics, I know the only true and reasonable minimum wage is $0.
 
jotathought said:
Minimum wage jobs are not designed to support a family. They are low-skill/entry level employment opportunities which require minimal training to meet the job description and the qualification pool is plentiful. Why would I pay someone $15/hr when I can find many people willing to work for $12.50 or $10/hr?
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The point is we should not be subsidizing cheap labor in our first world economy. If labor has to work they may as well be able to afford our first world economy.
 
Dacke said:
No, my points are rooted in reality, unlike those deluded minimum wage-advocators. Since I understand basic economics, I know the only true and reasonable minimum wage is $0.
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No, it isn't. Not as long as we need generate tax revenue to fund Government. Only in right wing fantasy is what you right wingers allege, true. Any subsidies distort the true capital cost and market effects of our economy.
 
jbander said:
Because if you don't my tax money is used to feed and house them , so you can gold plate your bottom line. That's bull****. that's why.
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If you're making minimum wage, you're not paying income taxes (assuming your filing as an individual).
 
danielpalos said:
No, it isn't. Not as long as we need generate tax revenue to fund Government. Only in right wing fantasy is what you right wingers allege, true. Any subsidies distort the true capital cost and market effects of our economy.
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Yes, you are learnoing - 0% income tax and $0 minimum wage.
 
danielpalos said:
The point is we should not be subsidizing cheap labor in our first world economy. If labor has to work they may as well be able to afford our first world economy.
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Disagree .. There is such a large pool of unskilled workers who qualify for minimum wage positions, and the market decides the value of a wage. This is the reason a burger flipper doesn't make the hourly wage of a welder or computer programmer. Equal opportunity and equal outcomes are two separate things, and minimum wage will never be able to have one afford our first world economy.
 
Dacke said:
No, my points are rooted in reality, unlike those deluded minimum wage-advocators. Since I understand basic economics, I know the only true and reasonable minimum wage is $0.
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Your funny and I will add , you don't have a clue about economics. Just a opinion , a bad one at that.
 
danielpalos said:
Raise the minimum wage until the Poor have to pay their fair capital share of taxes under our form of Capitalism. That is the true capital minimum wage.
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I believe all income earners should pay income tax.
 
jotathought said:
Disagree .. There is such a large pool of unskilled workers who qualify for minimum wage positions, and the market decides the value of a wage. This is the reason a burger flipper doesn't make the hourly wage of a welder or computer programmer. Equal opportunity and equal outcomes are two separate things, and minimum wage will never be able to have one afford our first world economy.
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Good grief you people can't put together a argument with out the lies and bull**** , who in the fricken world is asking for a minimum wage that equals what a welder make . This is what makes debating with some people ridiculous.
 
jotathought said:
I believe all income earners should pay income tax.
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The only reason some people don't pay taxes are because of deductions that no one wants to get rid of. Bad argument friend.
 
jbander said:
Good grief you people can't put together a argument with out the lies and bull**** , who in the fricken world is asking for a minimum wage that equals what a welder make . This is what makes debating with some people ridiculous.
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How can it be a lies and bull***. It's pretty obvious the pool of available skilled workers for various occupations is much lower than the availability of unskilled workers?
 
jotathought said:
Disagree .. There is such a large pool of unskilled workers who qualify for minimum wage positions, and the market decides the value of a wage. This is the reason a burger flipper doesn't make the hourly wage of a welder or computer programmer. Equal opportunity and equal outcomes are two separate things, and minimum wage will never be able to have one afford our first world economy.
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Our first American economist Adam Smith said there are time when the market doesn't set wages , at that time business does. and that is bad for capitalism.
 
jbander said:
The only reason some people don't pay taxes are because of deductions that no one wants to get rid of. Bad argument friend.
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Incorrect. People don't pay income taxes for a number of reasons: deductions, earned income credit, capital gains, and a graduated income tax bracket to name a few.
 
I'm not suggesting a 15 dollar an hour minimum wage I'm suggesting a livable minimum wage . Not concerned about people under 18 and the minimum wage will be set by the average family size in this country. The point is it will change just as fast as the amount needed changes. By the way in dollars and cents , this will be a hell of a lot cheaper then welfare cost compared to the slight increase of product cost. WAY WAY CHEAPER.
 
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