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Minimum wage hikes are causing restaurants to close, costing jobs

danielpalos said:
like our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror that the right wing refuses to pay for with real times of war tax rates?

the right wing only complains when it may benefit the Poor.
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Non-sequitur.
 
I have not seen any restaurants close in my city. Businessmen who will not or who cannot pay provide good wages, and health and retirement benefits deserve to go out of business.
 
SmartCat said:
I have not seen any restaurants close in my city. Businessmen who will not or who cannot pay provide good wages, and health and retirement benefits deserve to go out of business.
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Think that through.

1) Not all businesses are reun by men. Tsk Tsk . #woke
2) You do know starting a business is incredibly hard Something like hald of small businesses fail by their second year. Why would you want to make id harder for them by increasing their labor costs-and divorcing them from production?
3) I think it's fair to assume that a min. wage job with no benefits is a step* UP* for people who take them. Why would would you deny them that opportunity?
 
KLATTU said:
Think that through.

1) Not all businesses are reun by men. Tsk Tsk . #woke
2) You do know starting a business is incredibly hard Something like hald of small businesses fail by their second year. Why would you want to make id harder for them by increasing their labor costs-and divorcing them from production?
3) I think it's fair to assume that a min. wage job with no benefits is a step* UP* for people who take them. Why would would you deny them that opportunity?
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A minimum wage job with no benefits seldom leads to anything better unless one is a young person who is going to college. In that case a minimum wage job may give better interpersonal skills. It will also give one the incentive to major in something marketable, and to get good grades, knowing that the alternative is a life time of minimum wage jobs with no benefits.
 
imagep said:
Also, notice how every country with a dictator and/or some sort of totalitarian government "ends up mired in poverty", so is socialism actually the cause?
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What on Earth are you talking about? The economies of Germany, Spain, Chile, etc. all did wonderful under right-wing dictatorship. Right-wing dictatorship is honestly one of the best things that can happen to a country's economy.
 
aociswundumho said:
It's still better than no job at all.
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Equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States is better than that.

We really don't need minimum wage jobs that don't pay enough to create more demand and don't generate enough in tax revenue.

More optimum revenue generation can happen by solving for the deleterious effects of Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment in a market friendly manner. Labor must be able to afford our first world economy.
 
danielpalos said:
Equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States is better than that.

We really don't need minimum wage jobs that don't pay enough to create more demand and don't generate enough in tax revenue.

More optimum revenue generation can happen by solving for the deleterious effects of Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment in a market friendly manner. Labor must be able to afford our first world economy.
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I'm starting to think that you're a bot.
 
Democrats/progressives LOVE minimum wage workers. The idea is to keep them starving and dependent on government assistance, a virtual "sharecropper" work force easy to control and who will vote for more government help on cue like a Pavlov dog.

Nothing is more anti-liberty than today's democrat party. As evil an enterprise as anything Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov could have schemed himself.
 
Court Jester said:
Democrats/progressives LOVE minimum wage workers. The idea is to keep them starving and dependent on government assistance, a virtual "sharecropper" work force easy to control and who will vote for more government help on cue like a Pavlov dog.

Nothing is more anti-liberty than today's democrat party. As evil an enterprise as anything Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov could have schemed himself.
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lol. story teller.

the left is for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage and unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed. it is the right wing who allege to subscribe to capitalism (in socialism threads) so they cam lower costs by going to low wage economies.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
If I'm not allowed to pay slave wages, I'm going have to close my business. The only way I can profit is if my employees are paid a pittance. What's a girl to do?
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The minimum wage isn't meant to be a living wage. It's meant to be a starting wage
 
Masterhawk said:
The minimum wage isn't meant to be a living wage. It's meant to be a starting wage
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If you look at what MW was 40 years ago and take today's MW against inflation over those 40 years you will see that people today are earning less than what I earned with MW 40 years ago. Then look at corporate profits and CEO compensation over that same time period if you are honest you will admit it is a disgrace, a travesty of epic proportions.

Housing costs, medical costs, education costs have all risen dramatically over the past half century while MW has stagnated. So just what would you tell a young person trying to make their way in the world, going to school at a community college? Suck it up buttercup?
 
Stealers Wheel said:
If you look at what MW was 40 years ago and take today's MW against inflation over those 40 years you will see that people today are earning less than what I earned with MW 40 years ago. Then look at corporate profits and CEO compensation over that same time period if you are honest you will admit it is a disgrace, a travesty of epic proportions.

Housing costs, medical costs, education costs have all risen dramatically over the past half century while MW has stagnated. So just what would you tell a young person trying to make their way in the world, going to school at a community college? Suck it up buttercup?
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That's your problem. The problem isn't that we're being paid too little. It's that those things are too expensive.
 
Masterhawk said:
That's your problem. The problem isn't that we're being paid too little. It's that those things are too expensive.
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As I've said before, MW hike is a defacto tax on the 1% that puts billions of dollars into the economy via millions of workers who in turn increase the demand for goods and services which drives unemployment down and profits up. It is the rising tide that lifts all ships. And I've got decades of empirical data to prove it.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
As I've said before, MW hike is a defacto tax on the 1% that puts billions of dollars into the economy via millions of workers who in turn increase the demand for goods and services which drives unemployment down and profits up. It is the rising tide that lifts all ships. And I've got decades of empirical data to prove it.
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So all employers who pay miinimum wage workers are in the top 1%?
 
KLATTU said:
So all employers who pay miinimum wage workers are in the top 1%?
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Who said that? OK, let's play that game.

It's raining. OH, so it's raining everywhere?

Your turn.
 
Masterhawk said:
Any actual rebuttal to what I just said?
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We should not be subsidizing cheap labor in our first world economy, regardless. Social services cost the equivalent to fourteen dollars an hour and is a reason for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage to work in the market for labor.
 
danielpalos said:
We should not be subsidizing cheap labor in our first world economy, regardless. Social services cost the equivalent to fourteen dollars an hour and is a reason for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage to work in the market for labor.
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Social services are what we provide to people who don't have jobs. If we see to it that no low wage labor shall exist in our country (only in other countries), then the people in this country who would be low wage laborers will instead be non-laborers, and qualify for social services all the same. Reducing the cost of social welfare programs is not the correct argument in favor of high minimum wages.
 
Neomalthusian said:
Social services are what we provide to people who don't have jobs. If we see to it that no low wage labor shall exist in our country (only in other countries), then the people in this country who would be low wage laborers will instead be non-laborers, and qualify for social services all the same. Reducing the cost of social welfare programs is not the correct argument in favor of high minimum wages.
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Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States can solve simple poverty and our homeless problem; and boost our economy at the same time.
 
danielpalos said:
Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States can solve simple poverty and our homeless problem; and boost our economy at the same time.
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LMFAO WTF is this, I could be reading it wrong, end of the day and all, but did you really just say we should compensate unemployed workers for CHOOSING to be unemployed??
 
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