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Nadler explains the rush to impeachment

Lutherf

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I'll give Bash credit for actually pushing back a little bit on some of Nadler's claims and I think it's a good idea for anyone interested in what's going on to give the full 10 minutes a listen. However, if you don't have 10 minutes you can fast forward to around the 9 minute mark where they start talking about the rush to impeachment and Nadler's answer is, to my thinking, absolutely stunning. He suggests that unless they impeach right now Trump will rig the 2020 election.

I mean, damn! You guys spent two freaking years with Mueller to figure out how Trump rigged the 2016 election only to find that he didn't and now you need to impeach him because you figure he's in the process of rigging the 2020 election? Is that what the Democrats have been reduced to? If they don't win they just assume that they were cheated?
 
Lutherf said:


I'll give Bash credit for actually pushing back a little bit on some of Nadler's claims and I think it's a good idea for anyone interested in what's going on to give the full 10 minutes a listen. However, if you don't have 10 minutes you can fast forward to around the 9 minute mark where they start talking about the rush to impeachment and Nadler's answer is, to my thinking, absolutely stunning. He suggests that unless they impeach right now Trump will rig the 2020 election.

I mean, damn! You guys spent two freaking years with Mueller to figure out how Trump rigged the 2016 election only to find that he didn't and now you need to impeach him because you figure he's in the process of rigging the 2020 election? Is that what the Democrats have been reduced to? If they don't win they just assume that they were cheated?
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You guys? Democrats didn't begin the mueller investigation. A republican did. You can't just rewrite history. All that you have left to defend trump are lies.

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I would like to ask the chairman why? Because pence is a weak as a politician? And impeached trump then republicans aren’t going show up? You know I don’t care because pay back is a-


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I would like to ask the chairman why? Because pence is a weak as a politician? And impeached trump then republicans aren’t going show up? You know I don’t care because pay back is a-


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This is the same guy who didn't want Clinton impeached.
 
Lutherf said:


I'll give Bash credit for actually pushing back a little bit on some of Nadler's claims and I think it's a good idea for anyone interested in what's going on to give the full 10 minutes a listen. However, if you don't have 10 minutes you can fast forward to around the 9 minute mark where they start talking about the rush to impeachment and Nadler's answer is, to my thinking, absolutely stunning. He suggests that unless they impeach right now Trump will rig the 2020 election.

I mean, damn! You guys spent two freaking years with Mueller to figure out how Trump rigged the 2016 election only to find that he didn't and now you need to impeach him because you figure he's in the process of rigging the 2020 election? Is that what the Democrats have been reduced to? If they don't win they just assume that they were cheated?
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Trump threatened to sic the “second amendment types” on the American people if he lost the 2016 election. Were you this outraged then?
 
bradt99 said:
This is the same guy who didn't want Clinton impeached.
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Clinton's actions didn't threaten democracy. At worst, he deserved a censure. Trump repeatedly engaged foreign governments to intervene on his electoral behalf. That's a threat to free elections and democracy. As Thomas Freedman wrote today, "If we say, as Republicans do, that what Trump did is not an impeachable offense, we are telling ourselves and every future president that — in direct contradiction of what the founders wrote in the Constitution — it is O.K. to enlist a foreign power to tilt the election your way. Can you imagine how much money candidates could raise from Saudi Arabia or China to tilt a future election their way, or how many cyberwarriors they could enlist from Russia or Iran to create fake news, suppress voting or spur outrage?"
 
MTAtech said:
Clinton's actions didn't threaten democracy. At worst, he deserved a censure. Trump repeatedly engaged foreign governments to intervene on his electoral behalf. That's a threat to free elections and democracy. As Thomas Freedman wrote today, "If we say, as Republicans do, that what Trump did is not an impeachable offense, we are telling ourselves and every future president that — in direct contradiction of what the founders wrote in the Constitution — it is O.K. to enlist a foreign power to tilt the election your way. Can you imagine how much money candidates could raise from Saudi Arabia or China to tilt a future election their way, or how many cyberwarriors they could enlist from Russia or Iran to create fake news, suppress voting or spur outrage?"
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Why not just censure Trump then and stop dividing the country further?
 
Lutherf said:
You guys spent two freaking years with Mueller to figure out how Trump rigged the 2016 election only to find that he didn't
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Perhaps you are not familiar with what Mueller established (this is just from Volume I):

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1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.

5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.

6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.

8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.

9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.

10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.

11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.

12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.

13. During the presidential transition, Jared Kushner and Eric Prince engaged in secret back channel communications with Russian agents. (1) Kushner suggested to the Russian Ambassador that they use a secure communication line from within the Russian Embassy to speak with Russian Generals; and (2) Prince and Kushner’s friend Rick Gerson conducted secret back channel meetings with a Putin agent to develop a plan for U.S.-Russian relations.

14. During the presidential transition, in coordination with other members of the Transition Team, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador to prevent a tit for tat Russian response to the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions for election interference; the Russians agreed not to retaliate saying they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration.
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bradt99 said:
Why not just censure Trump then and stop dividing the country further?
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As I explained earlier, keeping him in office is a threat to democracy as he has shown twice that he is all for enlist foreign governments to help him stay in office -- which the founders argued at the constitutional convention was their chief reason to put the impeachment provision in the constitution.
 
MTAtech said:
As I explained earlier, keeping him in office is a threat to democracy as he has shown twice that he is all for enlist foreign governments to help him stay in office -- which the founders argued at the constitutional convention was their chief reason to put the impeachment provision in the constitution.
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Well, get used to it until 2025. You all have no right trying to overturn en election just because your queen B didn't win.
 
bradt99 said:
Well, get used to it until 2025. You all have no right trying to overturn en election just because your queen B didn't win.
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What's that saying about counting chickens before they hatch?

You are merely repeating a Rep talking point. First, calling it "overturning the election" is a baseless attempt to make impeachment, which is literally in the constitution, seem illegitimate. If so, every impeachment would be illegitimate, which clearly they can't be. Second, how is ending up with Mike Pence as president overturning an election? It's a brain-dead notion.
 
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Lutherf said:


I'll give Bash credit for actually pushing back a little bit on some of Nadler's claims and I think it's a good idea for anyone interested in what's going on to give the full 10 minutes a listen. However, if you don't have 10 minutes you can fast forward to around the 9 minute mark where they start talking about the rush to impeachment and Nadler's answer is, to my thinking, absolutely stunning. He suggests that unless they impeach right now Trump will rig the 2020 election.

I mean, damn! You guys spent two freaking years with Mueller to figure out how Trump rigged the 2016 election only to find that he didn't and now you need to impeach him because you figure he's in the process of rigging the 2020 election? Is that what the Democrats have been reduced to? If they don't win they just assume that they were cheated?
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I thought it was about bribery.
 
MTAtech said:
What's that saying about counting chickens before they hatch?

You are merely repeating a Rep talking point. First, calling it "overturning the election" is a baseless attempt to make impeachment, which is literally in the constitution, seem illegitimate. If so, every impeachment would be illegitimate, which clearly they can't be. Second, how is ending up with Mike Pence as president overturning an election? It's a brain-dead notion.
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Mike Pence is the establishment, Trump isn't the establishment. This guy was even a democrat in the 90s and you all still can't stand him. It's so sad and hilarious at the same time.
 
The dems have been on the impeachment train 19 minutes after Trump was elected. They never gave him a chance, because he was not the establishment and how dare he beat their queen when she was NOT entitled to the presidency.
 
By the way Obama wasn't born in the U.S. Obama is a damn muslim who was born in Kenya. You all hate that Trump spoke that truth before Trump was president.
 
bradt99 said:
By the way Obama wasn't born in the U.S. Obama is a damn muslim who was born in Kenya. You all hate that Trump spoke that truth before Trump was president.
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If you buy into that absurd and idiotic conspiracy theory, you have no credibility and can't be taken seriously.



Also, if you think Trump isn't as establishment as they come, you also bought into Trump's con. Every policy of his helps the billionaire class at the expense of the middle class. The guy spent his entire life trying to stay as far away from ordinary Americans and hob-nob with people who can spend $200,000 a year on country club memberships.
 
MTAtech said:
If you buy into that absurd and idiotic conspiracy theory, you have no credibility and can't be taken seriously.



Also, if you think Trump isn't as establishment as they come, you also bought into Trump's con. Every policy of his helps the billionaire class at the expense of the middle class. The guy spent his entire life trying to stay as far away from ordinary Americans and hob-nob with people who can spend $200,000 a year on country club memberships.
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Just because he's wealthy himself doesn't mean he doesn't care about his fellow Americans. I mean Obama said manufacturing was never coming back.
 
bradt99 said:
Just because he's wealthy himself doesn't mean he doesn't care about his fellow Americans. I mean Obama said manufacturing was never coming back.
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Find the quote and stop getting your talking points from Hannity and Rush. I can see that they've already polluted your mind with falsehoods.

As Voltaire said, “Those Who Can Make You Believe Absurdities, Can Make You Commit Atrocities”
 
MTAtech said:
What's that saying about counting chickens before they hatch?

You are merely repeating a Rep talking point. First, calling it "overturning the election" is a baseless attempt to make impeachment, which is literally in the constitution, seem illegitimate. If so, every impeachment would be illegitimate, which clearly they can't be. Second, how is ending up with Mike Pence as president overturning an election? It's a brain-dead notion.
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Because Pence would do the democrats bidding and he's the establishment.
 
bradt99 said:
Because Pence would do the democrats bidding and he's the establishment.
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Yeah, Pence is just a closet Democrat. His long standing ultra-conservative views are just a cover, huh. :roll:

You keep using that word, establishment. What does that mean? Establishment leaders show decorum, have deep understanding of policy, don't use 4-letter words in speeches?
 
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bradt99 said:
Why not just censure Trump then and stop dividing the country further?
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The reasons you quoted, of course. Why do you ask?

The country is no more divided now than it was three years ago.
 
Blue Donkey said:
The reasons you quoted, of course. Why do you ask?

The country is no more divided now than it was three years ago.
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Yes, because you all refused to accept the results of an election and still do.
 
Lutherf said:
I mean, damn! You guys spent two freaking years with Mueller to figure out how Trump rigged the 2016 election only
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You mean Trump's guys.
It was Republciasn in the FBI and Deputy AG's position, who started the investigations and special counsel.
Trump firing Comey because of the Russher thing, was why Special Counsel was appointed.
Russia did help Trump win the election in 2016, and Trump personally has supported all of Putin's major goals since his campaign/election. I know of none he's opposed.

You get nothing correct Lutherf, why is that?

you need to impeach him because you figure he's in the process of rigging the 2020 election?
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What do you think Trump was doing with Sondland and Rudy, with regards to pressuring Ukraine to announce an investigation into Burisma and to also look into the DNC/Ukraine angle? In exchange for holding up military aid and conditioning a white house meeting?

Come on Lutherf, you don't really believe the nonsense you post.
 
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