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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I've noticed over the years that most people who are big supporters of the phrase "free speech" don't actually support free speech. They support free speech for themselves and like minded people who promote their beliefs. They want the rest to shut up.
    It's called populist correctness. And it's everywhere. Just start a discussion saying that you like Hillary Clinton, The Last Jedi, or incremental change and you'll see populist correctness in action.
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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I've noticed over the years that most people who are big supporters of the phrase "free speech" don't actually support free speech. They support free speech for themselves and like minded people who promote their beliefs. They want the rest to shut up.
    I would venture that not one in a hundred people stands up for the public expression of opinions that they despise. Which is why the First Amendment is necessary, and why the United States should not have Hate Speech codes. Because one day you will inevitably have a disgusting demagogue like Donald Trump in charge of enforcing those laws over you.
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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    It's called populist correctness. And it's everywhere. Just start a discussion saying that you like Hillary Clinton, The Last Jedi, or incremental change and you'll see populist correctness in action.
    Holy **** that is a very relevant for a term I've never heard of.
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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    I would venture that not one in a hundred people stands up for the public expression of opinions that they despise. Which is why the First Amendment is necessary, and why the United States should not have Hate Speech codes. Because one day you will inevitably have a disgusting demagogue like Donald Trump in charge of enforcing those laws over you.
    I don't support free speech. At least not absolute free speech. I doubt anyone really does. Most can't or won't admit it.
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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I don't support free speech. At least not absolute free speech. I doubt anyone really does. Most can't or won't admit it.
    That is fine. Neither do I. The First Amendment does not protect all speech for that matter, but that which is not protected must be narrowly drawn. I support the expression of all ideas in thoughts or writing except for malicious and false defamation, direct incitement to violence, and verbal/written direction to commit criminal activity (emails confirming the plan for committing a bank heist, disclosing nuclear launch codes or troop movements, etc.). Everything else goes for me.
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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    That is fine. Neither do I. The First Amendment does not protect all speech for that matter, but that which is not protected must be narrowly drawn. I support the expression of all ideas in thoughts or writing except for malicious and false defamation, direct incitement to violence, and verbal/written direction to commit criminal activity (emails confirming the plan for committing a bank heist, disclosing nuclear launch codes or troop movements, etc.). Everything else goes for me.
    I'd add a few things to that list - however I agree with the intent. I don't mean to imply the first amendment protects all speech - but many pretend it does when it suits their agenda.
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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I've noticed over the years that most people who are big supporters of the phrase "free speech" don't actually support free speech. They support free speech for themselves and like minded people who promote their beliefs. They want the rest to shut up.
    There's a difference between wanting others to shut up and forcing them by law to shut up.

    There's a difference between banning promotion/dissemination of an ideology universally and banning promotion of an ideology by the state. (People who constantly tout SOCAS will surely understand.)

    There's a difference between censoring ideas (which are broadly proscribed) and censoring obscenities (which are narrowly proscribed).

    Be careful to mind these differences before judging people. A man who counter-protests at pro-life rallies by demanding the protestors shut up and disband, who votes against pro-LGBT education in public schools, and who fully supports network TV bans on various swears, slurs, and sex acts, may nevertheless be a true and ardent supporter of free speech.

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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by COTO View Post
    There's a difference between wanting others to shut up and forcing them by law to shut up.

    There's a difference between banning promotion/dissemination of an ideology universally and banning promotion of an ideology by the state. (People who constantly tout SOCAS will surely understand.)

    There's a difference between censoring ideas (which are broadly proscribed) and censoring obscenities (which are narrowly proscribed).

    Be careful to mind these differences before judging people. A man who counter-protests at pro-life rallies by demanding the protestors shut up and disband, who votes against pro-LGBT education in public schools, and who fully supports network TV bans on various swears, slurs, and sex acts, may nevertheless be a true and ardent supporter of free speech.
    Thanks for making my point.
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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I've noticed over the years that most people who are big supporters of the phrase "free speech" don't actually support free speech. They support free speech for themselves and like minded people who promote their beliefs. They want the rest to shut up.
    That is pretty much the essence of pushing for "hate speech" laws, yes.

    Ironic that Phys, who's vociferously arguing for shutting people up, "liked" your post.
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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Thanks for making my point.
    How do I "make your point" by stating what is essentially the opposite of your point?

    If you're claiming that anyone who wants others to shut up, or who opposes some kind of state indoctrination, or who supports the censoring of obscenities is inherently anti- free speech, just say so plainly. At least that way the readership won't be left wondering whether you have a clue what freedom of speech refers to.

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