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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by eman623 View Post
    Wow. Where to begin. Is it from the hypocrisy of a former Time editor now championing censorship? Is it from the lack of faith in the marketplace of ideas? Is it from the hubris that hate speech can even be banned and if it could, then people would stop hating or something? Or is it from the sinister, "give us this power and, trust us, we'll never misuse it for our own political ends." No one gets to define what I think, or what I say. If that bothers you, then those other countries that have don't have free speech beckon.

    We already have laws that prohibit speech likely to cause imminent violence. That's enough.

    America does NOT need a hate speech law. And if Richard Stengal thinks otherwise then he's an idiot.
    Amen to that. Many in the pro-gay community want to ban various types of religious free speech. They apparently don't want their feeble consciences tweaked to the point they might get convicted of their sins and saved.
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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Plenty of hate speech laws in Europe shows that this is not the case.
    There was a story about a guy who uploaded a video where he jokingly made the pug look like he was giving a nazi salute. The guy was arrested for “hate speech” and “hate crime”. That’s not a problem.

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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    People who support hate speech do so because they feel entitled to hate speech.
    we are entitled to hate speech. Look at the First Amendment.
    They do not do so because they support free speech.
    Hate speech is Free speech. Speech that is non controversial or not hate speech doesn't need to be protected.
    Otherwise they'd be first in line to defend the rights of feminists, civil rights activists, trans rights activists, etc. when they speak out.
    I just defended their rights to speak hate.

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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Plenty of hate speech laws in Europe shows that this is not the case.
    People being fined for saying things? That's not free speech that's anti-free speech.

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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    No clue what I meant?
    It only has to sound nastry, and that was pretty nasty sounding. Be careful what you wish for.
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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by AmNat View Post
    After the war, Europe's civil institutions were systematically purged of right-wingers. This enabled the passage of "hate speech" laws, which allowed prosecution of political dissidents. At the same time, American leftists were actively defending free speech because they did not yet have control of our country's institutions.

    The American left has now reached the same level of institutional hegemony that the European left had after the war. It is natural that they would seek to cement their power in the same way.
    That's an interesting perspective: maybe everyone had a strong capacity to become a fascist if given the chance. It's like how when America was mostly Presbyterians and Unitarians, the Catholics and Evangelicals were the strongest advocates of the separation of church and state, but now that they have some numbers on their side, they constantly want to blur the distinction.

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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by DarthPedant View Post
    That's an interesting perspective: maybe everyone had a strong capacity to become a fascist if given the chance. It's like how when America was mostly Presbyterians and Unitarians, the Catholics and Evangelicals were the strongest advocates of the separation of church and state, but now that they have some numbers on their side, they constantly want to blur the distinction.

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    Public neutrality is always the demand of those without power. No faction ever upholds it for a long time after obtaining power. Why would they?

    As for the Catholic Church, it has always rejected disestablishmentarianism in principle, even when Catholics were a small minority of the population (e.g. Pope Leo XIII's encyclical on Catholicism in the United States).
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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by SDET View Post
    Communist propaganda is hate speech. There is a precedent for this given that the US Communist Party was deactivated by law in the 1950s. I would be willing to tolerate hate speech laws if hating your country was included as well as all Communist/Marxist speech/association.
    Methinks you are stuck in McCarthy's era and are totally absorbed in your red scare hysteria.
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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by COTO View Post
    Suppose legislation entered the pipeline that criminalized "improper pronoun use" at the state or national level. This would include persons using gender-neutral pronouns such as "they" or avoiding pronoun use due to moral misgivings about calling a biological man a woman and vice versa.

    The punishment wouldn't necessarily be jail time, but a fine of up to $7,500 per infraction, with jail time substituted if a defendant was unable to pay. Furthermore, the legal costs for any defendant contesting the charges could easily run into the tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    Would you actively support such legislation, actively oppose such legislation, or would you sit back and let other people deal with it?
    I’d oppose it.


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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Amen to that. Many in the pro-gay community want to ban various types of religious free speech. They apparently don't want their feeble consciences tweaked to the point they might get convicted of their sins and saved.
    wont somebody get me a tissue for the persecuted christians?


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