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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Fine idea doing away with NAZI, white supremacist, orange ape/clown...deplorables, knuckle dragging rednecks, teabaggers, toothless rightwingers...along with all other derogatory hateful terms.
    Maybe you should be thrown in jail for your post. How would you like that? That's what a hate speech law would do, because your post is full of hate. Let that sink in.
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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Maybe you should be thrown in jail for your post. How would you like that? That's what a hate speech law would do, because your post is full of hate. Let that sink in.
    They don't understand their vile hatred. They think it's OK for them, but not others.
    The left says the right is full of racists and bigots and have no tolerance. Nobody from the right organizes interference with gay pride parades, or other leftist events. The left however always has a group interfering with events organized by the right. Who are the tolerant ones I ask? Most certainly not the left.

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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by bomberfox View Post
    That wasnt even my argument, depending on your clients you might be defending people whos sole purpose is detrimental to the well being those advocates are trying to protect.
    If it's not your argument, it's still what the thread is about.

    "Defending people whos [sic] sole purpose is detrimental to the well being [of others]" is very much protected speech, for two reasons: i) in a plurality, no two people agree fully on what is/isn't detrimental; and ii) no party, government, or state power can be trusted to fairly and impartially judge which ideas are unworthy of a defense.

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    But the party of tolerance doesn't believe in tolerance. They want to silence anyone that opposes them. The party that has so hard fought for the first amendment, did so for shaping it in their image only.
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    I'm a hard-nosed, fundamentalist, black-and-white, traditionalist religious conservative--by my own admission. It's pretty bad when in four out of five online arguments I find myself pleading with self-described "liberals" for less war, less censorship, fewer speech prohibitions, fewer bans, less surveillance, fewer registries, permitting alternatives to public schools, permitting vaccine opt-outs, permitting pit bull ownership, not jailing people for "improper pronoun use"...

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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by COTO View Post
    If it's not your argument, it's still what the thread is about.

    "Defending people whos [sic] sole purpose is detrimental to the well being [of others]" is very much protected speech, for two reasons: i) in a plurality, no two people agree fully on what is/isn't detrimental; and ii) no party, government, or state power can be trusted to fairly and impartially judge which ideas are unworthy of a defense.


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    I'm a hard-nosed, fundamentalist, black-and-white, traditionalist religious conservative--by my own admission. It's pretty bad when in four out of five online arguments I find myself pleading with self-described "liberals" for less war, less censorship, fewer speech prohibitions, fewer bans, less surveillance, fewer registries, permitting alternatives to public schools, permitting vaccine opt-outs, permitting pit bull ownership, not jailing people for "improper pronoun use"...
    Then talking to you is kinda pointless people arent jailed for improper pronoun use.

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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by bomberfox View Post
    Then talking to you is kinda pointless people arent jailed for improper pronoun use.
    I never said they were. Such laws are still in the pipelines, not yet in force (excepting California, where they actually did pass a bill criminalizing improper pronoun use in 2017, although to the best of my knowledge nobody has ever been charged).

    What I said was I've argued against self-described "liberals" who've plainly, fervently argued in favour of such laws. They're A-OK with criminalizing improper pronoun use.

    If you're not: thank you.

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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by COTO View Post
    I never said they were. Such laws are still in the pipelines, not yet in force (excepting California, where they actually did pass a bill criminalizing improper pronoun use in 2017, although to the best of my knowledge nobody has ever been charged).

    What I said was I've argued against self-described "liberals" who've plainly, fervently argued in favour of such laws. They're A-OK with criminalizing improper pronoun use.

    If you're not: thank you.
    If you are worried about that, despite Jordan Peterson lying about Canada’s bill C16, nobody has been jailed for improper pronoun usage. Now constantly misgendering a trans person could be considered harassment and will likely incur social and employment concequences depending on where you work but im not in favor of jailing people for improper pronoun use

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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    It was around 80% across the board back then. Funny how conservatives learn from the past but liberals don't.


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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Runaway hate speech is a key component to setting up genocide. It's the fourth stage of genocide, and there are examples throughout history of this happening.

    People who want to keep hate speech unchecked are like those who say that no matter how dangerous fire conditions are, campfires must be allowed, only forest fires should be extinguished. Turns out that forest fires are much more difficult to put out!
    It is a slippery slope. I don’t like hate speech, but if someone gets offended by what someone says, they could claim that as “hate speech” and thus ban that. This would be like a boy-that-cried-wolf situation, and real hate speech would be ignored b/c anything remotely offensive would be considered hate speech.

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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

    Quote Originally Posted by bomberfox View Post
    Well the republican party doesnt even try to cater to demographics outside the WASP demographic except for some very cringe tokens. At some point republicans are going to have to do some introspection without all the think tanks and fox news bluster. Turning point USA’s most recent conference is just a taste of what is to come. As far as i am aware, there is nothing preventing a conservative from becoming a professor should they meet the qualifications.
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    Re: Why America needs a hate speech law

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    Conservatives not only don't learn from the past--they actively suppress it in schools, and they sometimes make the past look pretty good! Just look at who they put in the White House as an example of that.
    many on the left are reactionaries. Their solution to any problem is more government and less freedom.
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