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Liberals destroy more businesses

jet57 said:
The cal budget doesn't agree with your 20% claim.


The reasons costs are so high in cal is because it's what the market will bear. The free market is your ideal - right? Now you know how the other half lives...


California is the 5th largest economy in the world; we won't miss you at all, nor are we missing the throngs that have fled. For every ten of that goes, twenty more show up to to try and strike gold. What you should count on however is that this spiral of costs is not sustainable and will collapse.
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The Cal budget agrees with the data I provided. Prove 6000 California taxpayers weren't responsible for 20% of the income taxes collected in the year I mentioned.

California's Boom Is Poised To Go Bust -- And Liberals' Dream Of Scandinavia On The Pacific

BTW, those 20 that are showing up are likely illegal, so don't be counting on them to contribute anything. They will be taking.

Hope I cleared things up for you.
 
jet57 said:
The cal budget doesn't agree with your 20% claim.


The reasons costs are so high in cal is because it's what the market will bear. The free market is your ideal - right? Now you know how the other half lives...


California is the 5th largest economy in the world; we won't miss you at all, nor are we missing the throngs that have fled. For every ten that go, twenty more show up to to try and strike gold. What you should count on however is that this spiral of costs is not sustainable and will collapse.
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What, you were jonesing so much to post your reply that you couldn't wait for the system to respond.

Calm down a little, and you won't double post.
 
jet57 said:
The reasons costs are so high in cal is because it's what the market will bear. The free market is your ideal - right?
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So in your view there's a free market in housing in California?
 
ocean515 said:
The Cal budget agrees with the data I provided. Prove 6000 California taxpayers weren't responsible for 20% of the income taxes collected in the year I mentioned.

California's Boom Is Poised To Go Bust -- And Liberals' Dream Of Scandinavia On The Pacific

BTW, those 20 that are showing up are likely illegal, so don't be counting on them to contribute anything. They will be taking.

Hope I cleared things up for you.
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Your linked article is three years old. Has California gone bust yet?
 
Somerville said:
Your linked article is three years old. Has California gone bust yet?
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On it's way. BTW, the title of the report includes this special word - "poised"

Did you learn what that word means in school?

A terminal cancer patient rarely dies on the day predicted, do they?

Does that mean they aren't suffering from terminal cancer?

Care to touch on anything that was presented in that report?

Oh, and then there is this:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/01/california_record_spending_as_tax_revenue_collapses_by_5_billion.html
 
ocean515 said:
On it's way. BTW, the title of the report includes this special word - "poised"

Did you learn what that word means in school?

A terminal cancer patient rarely dies on the day predicted, do they?

Does that mean they aren't suffering from terminal cancer?

Care to touch on anything that was presented in that report?
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When you start with a smaller population; i.e., techies in Texas as opposed to the techie numbers in California in 2001 -- yeah, you can show a higher percentage growth rate but what are the total numbers of STEM workers?

A surplus of $21.5 billion for 2019, when the THREE YEARS OLD article quoted Gov. Jerry Brown as " forecasting budget deficits as high as $4 billion by the time he leaves office in 2019."

Does one stay "poised" on the edge of a precipice for THREE YEARS?

In 2016, according to the article, Moody's rated California as "second from the bottom among the states in its preparedness to withstand the next recession." In a press release (Oct. 18, 2019) Moody’s Upgrades California’s Credit Rating
Recognizing California’s decisions to build the state’s fiscal reserves and pay down long-term liabilities, as well as continued economic growth, a major credit agency – Moody’s Investors Service – has upgraded California’s outstanding general obligation bonds to Aa2 from Aa3.

Moody’s has also upgraded the rating on the state’s outstanding lease debt, its outstanding appropriation debt and outstanding school fund apportionment lease revenue bonds, Governor Gavin Newsom announced Tuesday.

According to Moody’s, the upgrade “recognizes the state government’s disciplined approach to managing revenue growth indicated by its use of surplus funds to build reserves and pay down long-term liabilities.”

“While Washington balloons the national debt to pay for tax cuts for the rich, California is showing that it is possible to take bold action to tackle the affordability crisis, climate change, and other challenges all while living within our means,” Newsom said in a statement. “We are advancing progressive values while growing our rainy day fund, paying down pension liabilities and eliminating our state’s wall of debt.”

In August, Fitch Ratings also upgraded the state’s credit rating, writing that California has improved its ability to weather an economic downturn.
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Somerville said:
When you start with a smaller population; i.e., techies in Texas as opposed to the techie numbers in California in 2001 -- yeah, you can show a higher percentage growth rate but what are the total numbers of STEM workers?

A surplus of $21.5 billion for 2019, when the THREE YEARS OLD article quoted Gov. Jerry Brown as " forecasting budget deficits as high as $4 billion by the time he leaves office in 2019."

Does one stay "poised" on the edge of a precipice for THREE YEARS?

In 2016, according to the article, Moody's rated California as "second from the bottom among the states in its preparedness to withstand the next recession." In a press release (Oct. 18, 2019) Moody’s Upgrades California’s Credit Rating
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A budget surplus of $21.5 billion? Please provide a link to any California budget that shows a $21.5 billion surplus.

You really don't know what you are talking about.

Are you aware the California Constitution requires a balanced budget?

Here is a link that might help you avoid future embarrassment on this issue.

Ebudget
 
1. Many liberals mean well, but they know nothing about what it takes to run a business.

2. Many liberals have worked all their lives for the government. In other words, they have been the beneficiaries of socialism.

a. A government job ensures tenure, a good salary, and a defined pension.


3. So liberals of that kind simply do not understand the struggles of businesspeople to get good employees, to pay taxes, to obey government regulations, to deal with customer complaints, and to make a decent profit.

4. Just this morning, I read (on Politico, I think) that FDR worked with big business to get some progressive ideas implemented. It seems today's Dems proudly proclaim their goal is to work against big business.
 
joko104 said:
You're not the only one who laughs at the poor and homeless - or just don't care.

This is the second time I've started a thread on a specific person who lost a job (and everyone else in the same situation) on behalf of the government deliberately harming Americans on behalf of non-Americans.

Yes, that time too progressive Democrats didn't give a damn or thought it funny too.

The Democratic Party is the party of hate - hate of the United States and hate of Americans on every topic.
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There is always going to be something that takes priority over something else. In this instance, global warming and preservation of the planet for future humans takes precedence over a small factory producing auto parts that could also be sold for illegal purposes. We're beginning to experience the effects of global warming yet people such as yourself are in denial and will always be in denial.

Man is destroying this planet and in just a couple of generations, portions of it may be uninhabitable. If we don't do something now -- it is going to happen. If we have to lose jobs and make other concessions, we have to or people on earth are doomed. Crops don't grow in sand or oceans.

A little over one hundred years ago, there were millions of jobs related to the main mode of local transportation of the day, the horse-drawn carriage. All of those jobs -- building carriages, manufacturing buggy whips, raising horses and scooping up their excrement off the city streets, they're all gone. Progress and technology have all but eliminated those jobs, and here we are, still alive and still producing. Jobs will always be lost to technology or EPA regulations or just plain being obsolete. People need to find new ways to earn a living. It's being done all the time and has been since the beginning of the industrial age.
 
jet57 said:
Never gonna happen: never gonna defeat California; there's too many people and waaaaay too much money for Trumpsters to even think that they're going to interfere with progress here.
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Most Democrats love to brag about the states they control that have the highest income gaps, highest homeless and highest unemployment rates. The perfect social model for the Democratic Party is 1% of the population controls all the wealth and power - and the other 99% are beggars to the 1%. That is the open agenda of the Democratic Party.
 
LouC said:
Oh Lord have mercy that post is just chock full of false claims it isn't even funny.

Seriously, it is sad, but it isn't funny.
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If it is Warren versus Trump, I'll count you as a vote for President Trump. Or, more accurately, a vote of Jeff Bezos.
 
joko104 said:
No I don't. My supporting the death penalty does not mean I have to defend lynchings.

I was pointing out the only effect of the federal regulations enforcement I cited only has the effect of eliminating American manufacturing and jobs to shift it to China. That is not an "anti-business" stance of the government. It is a pro-business stance for the wealthiest people on earth - mega billionaire corporation's foreign child labor sweatshops - with the most of those super rich being Americans living in Americans being fabulously wealthy by controlling the USA government for their profits at the expense of the USA and Americans.

It is another example of how liberalism use false reasons - such as climate change - is used by the super rich to corruptly make money thru the US government by using the government in ways that are only to serve the super rich Americans at the expense of Americans and the USA.

I do not have to agree with you trying to change the topic.
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Go complain to reagan. He's the one who started american jobs flooding out of this country for more profit overseas. Keep voting republican to insure the top ten percent that you are complaining about, stay the top ten percent. Unions bad, living wages bad, pensions bad. Vote republican and keep americans poor.
 
ocean515 said:
A budget surplus of $21.5 billion? Please provide a link to any California budget that shows a $21.5 billion surplus.

You really don't know what you are talking about.

Are you aware the California Constitution requires a balanced budget?

Here is a link that might help you avoid future embarrassment on this issue.

Ebudget
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The denial is great within you. The link does show a $21 billion surplus. I suppose denial has become the fallback position for you and others because it sure looks like your personal attacks on me and others is the only thing you got.
 
Somerville said:
The denial is great within you. The link does show a $21 billion surplus. I suppose denial has become the fallback position for you and others because it sure looks like your personal attacks on me and others is the only thing you got.
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There is no surplus. It's against the California Constitution. There are allocations.

Here is a link to the summary of the California 2019-20 budget. Point to the page that describes a $21.5 billion surplus.

http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/2019-20/pdf/Enacted/BudgetSummary/Introduction.pdf
 
ocean515 said:
There is no surplus. It's against the California Constitution. There are allocations.

Here is a link to the summary of the California 2019-20 budget. Point to the page that describes a $21.5 billion surplus.

http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/2019-20/pdf/Enacted/BudgetSummary/Introduction.pdf
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If you can't find it for yourself -- too bad. If this was your first time denying reality, I might feel sorry for you but your pattern of denial and personal attacks says you will refuse to accept reality.
 
joko104 said:
If it is Warren versus Trump, I'll count you as a vote for President Trump. Or, more accurately, a vote of Jeff Bezos.
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You can count me up any way you want, sane, rational, and intelligent folks know Trump Stupids really don't know how to count, so it won't matter how you count me, you still won't get it right.

:2wave:
 
ocean515 said:
On it's way. BTW, the title of the report includes this special word - "poised"

Did you learn what that word means in school?

A terminal cancer patient rarely dies on the day predicted, do they?

Does that mean they aren't suffering from terminal cancer?

Care to touch on anything that was presented in that report?

Oh, and then there is this:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/01/california_record_spending_as_tax_revenue_collapses_by_5_billion.html
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Your links are providing a view into your media diet, which seems to be mostly fast outrage food. If you want to convince someone who doesn't already agree with you about something, you should consider providing supporting evidence from a source the person you are trying to convince will respect. If you don't have and can't find any such sources, consider the possibility that are stuck in a misinformed media bubble.
 
joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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So let me get this straight. You work for a company that makes parts used to circumvent environmental laws. Until recently, you operated under the loophole that these parts can be, used legally to get around the fact that they usually aren't used legally. In short, your company has been facilitating the destruction of our environment, damaging all of us and all of our grandchildren. California has recently closed that loophole, and you're pissed because you can no longer make a living hurting the rest of us. Furthermore, California has yet to close a further loophole that allows foreign companies to sell products to asshole residents of the United States that harm the rest of us. I hope that this further loop hole closes soon, and I have no sympathy for you. Your bosses should have seen the writing on the wall and switched to producing parts that modify cars to be more environmentally friendly, not less, long ago.
 
jet57 said:
The cal budget doesn't agree with your 20% claim.


The reasons costs are so high in cal is because it's what the market will bear. The free market is your ideal - right? Now you know how the other half lives...


California is the 5th largest economy in the world; we won't miss you at all, nor are we missing the throngs that have fled. For every ten of that goes, twenty more show up to to try and strike gold. What you should count on however is that this spiral of costs is not sustainable and will collapse.
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Junk bonds not junk laws? Let's convince our elected representatives to invest in our infrastructure instead of merely creating more laws.
 
danielpalos said:
Junk bonds not junk laws? Let's convince our elected representatives to invest in our infrastructure instead of merely creating more laws.
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Not sure what that means or has to do with anything. As for convincing law makers, choosing other law makers is the best recipe for getting them to do anything about anything.
 
jaeger19 said:
You have to admit though that its seems a little hinky that the company can't produce the goods here in the US. .. but they can be produce in China and then sold to the US.
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Excellent point! TBH on kind of in the middle regarding the whole climate change debate, nonetheless if we government virtually unlimited power to dictate energy that would indeed give them a tremendous amount of ability to dictate so much of our lives and clearly diminish personal freedom.
 
Yep because of idiotic laws it just encourages Americans to lose jobs and to give those jobs to China. California has some of the most ridiculous laws. They will put warning labels on anything you purchase from California even if there is an extremely slight remote chance you may develop cancer from it. I remember I was looking at an aisle of nothing but space heaters. Only one of them warned me that there might be a very slight chance that this product may cause me to develop cancer from using it. It was pretty much the same as the others I was looking at only difference was this one was made in California.
 
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