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Liberals destroy more businesses

joko104 said:
^ Always for the destruction of the USA and Americans if you are like most progressive Democrats. Will there ever be enough homeless Americans for you to say that's enough?
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Have you ever noticed how many things you can buy that have warnings on them due to california? I just ordered (I have a dealer's account) some archery target points made out of stainless steel. On the package is a warning that the contents (stainless steel target points) have been found to cause cancer (in California). I think I have seen that idiocy on the batteries my son uses in his electronic ear plugs (for competitive shooting), a FISHING lure (due to the metal( etc.
 
phattonez said:
The fact that the land is nominally owned by families doesn't change my point. These farmers are in debt, lease equipment from these companies, and are forced to sell only to them. There's a difference between a family owned farm and a truly independent farm.
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You don't understand farming.

:lamo
 
joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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And people who buy volkswagons support hitler, so says my uncle. You can blame reagan for starting the mass exit of manufacturing to cheaper job markets so those at the top could make more while those on the bottom lose their jobs.
 
To get through college and buy my first home I worked all summer flipping burgers. Kids today are lazy snowflakes. IT TOOK ME A WHOLE SUMMER, but I paid for my house. Get a job soy boys.
 
Rufusrepublican said:
To get through college and buy my first home I worked all summer flipping burgers. Kids today are lazy snowflakes. IT TOOK ME A WHOLE SUMMER, but I paid for my house. Get a job soy boys.
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You paid for your house flipping burgers in a summer? Must be a real palace.
 
LouC said:
You don't understand farming.

:lamo
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This isn't an argument. 1 misleading statistic doesn't change the fact that food in this country is controlled by about 5 companies.
 
Vadinho said:
You paid for your house flipping burgers in a summer? Must be a real palace.
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Or he's about 90 years old and knew a time when houses were cheap.
 
Rufusrepublican said:
To get through college and buy my first home I worked all summer flipping burgers. Kids today are lazy snowflakes. IT TOOK ME A WHOLE SUMMER, but I paid for my house. Get a job soy boys.
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This satire got me.
 
phattonez said:
Or he's about 90 years old and knew a time when houses were cheap.
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Its all just so much bull anyway from these guys. I am 63, believe me flipping burgers for 1.64 an hour back in the 60s was not enough to pay for college or a house. The amount of lies they tell themselves is astounding.
 
Vadinho said:
Its all just so much bull anyway from these guys. I am 63, believe me flipping burgers for 1.64 an hour back in the 60s was not enough to pay for college or a house. The amount of lies they tell themselves is astounding.
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I think he was satirizing Boomers.
 
joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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What you have described is the end game of the Progressives who run California.

They have admitted their economic strength allows them to set National policy, and they aren't shy to do that.

All the more reason why California's special EPA exemptions should be ended.
 
Vadinho said:
Its all just so much bull anyway from these guys. I am 63, believe me flipping burgers for 1.64 an hour back in the 60s was not enough to pay for college or a house. The amount of lies they tell themselves is astounding.
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LMAO! you are the type of guy i was satirizing!! You really think 1.64 was worth less than minimum wage, taking into account he cost of living as well as inflation? HAHAHAHA
 
Rufusrepublican said:
LMAO! you are the type of guy i was satirizing!! You really think 1.64 was worth less than minimum wage, taking into account he cost of living as well as inflation? HAHAHAHA
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Does someone take care of you because it seems like you may be challenged just a bit. I hope for the best for you.
 
Rufusrepublican said:
LMAO! you are the type of guy i was satirizing!! You really think 1.64 was worth less than minimum wage, taking into account he cost of living as well as inflation? HAHAHAHA
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In 1970 could YOU have afforded a place to live and all the rest on $1.64 an hour?
 
joko104 said:
No I don't. My supporting the death penalty does not mean I have to defend lynchings.

I was pointing out the only effect of the federal regulations enforcement I cited only has the effect of eliminating American manufacturing and jobs to shift it to China. That is not an "anti-business" stance of the government. It is a pro-business stance for the wealthiest people on earth - mega billionaire corporation's foreign child labor sweatshops - with the most of those super rich being Americans living in Americans being fabulously wealthy by controlling the USA government for their profits at the expense of the USA and Americans.

It is another example of how liberalism use false reasons - such as climate change - is used by the super rich to corruptly make money thru the US government by using the government in ways that are only to serve the super rich Americans at the expense of Americans and the USA.

I do not have to agree with you trying to change the topic.
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The funny thing is that this isn't about modified parts that INCREASE pollution. Most of these parts already meet pollution standards. So it isn't about "murder the planet'. It's about shifting manufacturing offshore. BTW; offshore means there will be NO EPA control over the pollution produced during the manufacturing process. Doesn't make sense, does it? Wouldn't it be better for the environment to keep that manufacturing here where it could be effectively regulated?
 
It looks like people just luv to talk about China when American manufacturers close plants in the States. They should think about the ever so small fact that many American companies have opened plants in Mexico due to lower transportation costs and the trade treaty between the US and Mexico. A treaty which used to be titled NAFTA but since that was signed by a Democratic president back in 1994, Trump decided he needed a new one - USMCA. There is very little change from NAFTA other than Canada having to open up its market to American dairy farmers.

For Joko's neighbour who is losing his job, it may or may not be China that will gain in manufacturing the parts. It could well be the plant's owners decided Mexico is a better place, lower labour costs and ZERO TARIFFS.

The automotive manufacturers in Mexico are BMW, Chrysler, Ford, GM, Honda, Kia, Mazda, Nissan, Toyota, and Volkswagen. These companies make up 20 plants that depend on a robust supplier presence to enable a smooth operation. Second largest industry sector after automobiles is electronics, followed by medical devices and aero-space parts. Almost all of the manufacturers are international corporations, not Mexican-owned.
 
ocean515 said:
What you have described is the end game of the Progressives who run California.

They have admitted their economic strength allows them to set National policy, and they aren't shy to do that.

All the more reason why California's special EPA exemptions should be ended.
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Never gonna happen: never gonna defeat California; there's too many people and waaaaay too much money for Trumpsters to even think that they're going to interfere with progress here.
 
Somerville said:
It looks like people just luv to talk about China when American manufacturers close plants in the States. They should think about the ever so small fact that many American companies have opened plants in Mexico due to lower transportation costs and the trade treaty between the US and Mexico. A treaty which used to be titled NAFTA but since that was signed by a Democratic president back in 1994, Trump decided he needed a new one - USMCA. There is very little change from NAFTA other than Canada having to open up its market to American dairy farmers.

For Joko's neighbour who is losing his job, it may or may not be China that will gain in manufacturing the parts. It could well be the plant's owners decided Mexico is a better place, lower labour costs and ZERO TARIFFS.

The automotive manufacturers in Mexico are BMW, Chrysler, Ford, GM, Honda, Kia, Mazda, Nissan, Toyota, and Volkswagen. These companies make up 20 plants that depend on a robust supplier presence to enable a smooth operation. Second largest industry sector after automobiles is electronics, followed by medical devices and aero-space parts. Almost all of the manufacturers are international corporations, not Mexican-owned.
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Very well said, and Joko made up his story out of whole cloth: he's already been busted.
 
Somerville said:
It looks like people just luv to talk about China when American manufacturers close plants in the States. They should think about the ever so small fact that many American companies have opened plants in Mexico due to lower transportation costs and the trade treaty between the US and Mexico. A treaty which used to be titled NAFTA but since that was signed by a Democratic president back in 1994, Trump decided he needed a new one - USMCA. There is very little change from NAFTA other than Canada having to open up its market to American dairy farmers.

For Joko's neighbour who is losing his job, it may or may not be China that will gain in manufacturing the parts. It could well be the plant's owners decided Mexico is a better place, lower labour costs and ZERO TARIFFS.

The automotive manufacturers in Mexico are BMW, Chrysler, Ford, GM, Honda, Kia, Mazda, Nissan, Toyota, and Volkswagen. These companies make up 20 plants that depend on a robust supplier presence to enable a smooth operation. Second largest industry sector after automobiles is electronics, followed by medical devices and aero-space parts. Almost all of the manufacturers are international corporations, not Mexican-owned.
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Dupe.
 
jet57 said:
Never gonna happen: never gonna defeat California; there's too many people and waaaaay too much money for Trumpsters to even think that they're going to interfere with progress here.
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I don't think you grasp what the strategy is.

Progressives and their own policies will be the force that stops progress here.

People like me, people who historically have provided the bulk of income to the state, are leaving.

In 2016, less than 6,000 people were responsible for providing 20% of the total income tax revenue received by the state.

What would happen if 20% of the income tax revenue no longer existed?

The state is already home to some of the highest taxes and fees in the Nation. What would be the plan, raise them more?

California already has the highest supplemental poverty rate in the Nation, so nothing is coming from them

I'm 8-10 months from being fully divested from all investments in California, and I will be gone.

It's going to take a lot of illegal aliens and other low income workers to replace the tax revenue California will no longer be taking from me.
 
ocean515 said:
I don't think you grasp what the strategy is.

Progressives and their own policies will be the force that stops progress here.

People like me, people who historically have provided the bulk of income to the state, are leaving.

In 2016, less than 6,000 people were responsible for providing 20% of the total income tax revenue received by the state.

What would happen if 20% of the income tax revenue no longer existed?

The state is already home to some of the highest taxes and fees in the Nation. What would be the plan, raise them more?

California already has the highest supplemental poverty rate in the Nation, so nothing is coming from them

I'm 8-10 months from being fully divested from all investments in California, and I will be gone.

It's going to take a lot of illegal aliens and other low income workers to replace the tax revenue California will no longer be taking from me.
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Well, here's the latest California budget that shows where the revenue is coming from, and it doesn't agree with you on 20%:
http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/2019-20/pdf/BudgetSummary/RevenueEstimates.pdf

Secondly, the cost of doing business in this state is driven by market forces: the same market forces that in gold country in 1850 caused the price of one egg to go to $1.50. It's not taxes that are driving people away, its the lease rates and the rents; the taxes are secondary. I know this to be true through tech business people I know. And lastly, if you want to leave - then - bye! It's all just another gold rush anyway- fool's gold more like it. People leaving by the hundreds of thousands will be a great idea for us natives, then California can go back to being easier to live in. Finally, you're being pushed by the same forces you say you support! The bigger dogs got after you and you can't keep up.
 
jet57 said:
Well, here's the latest California budget that shows where the revenue is coming from, and it doesn't agree with you on 20%:
http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/2019-20/pdf/BudgetSummary/RevenueEstimates.pdf

Secondly, the cost of doing business in this state is driven by market forces: the same market forces that in gold country in 1850 caused the price of one egg to go to $1.50. It's not taxes that are driving people away, its the lease rates and the rents; the taxes are secondary. I know this to be true through tech business people I know. And lastly, if you want to leave - then - bye! It's all just another gold rush anyway- fool's gold more like it. People leaving by the hundreds of thousands will be a great idea for us natives, then California can go back to being easier to live in. Finally, you're being pushed by the same forces you say you support! The bigger dogs got after you and you can't keep up.
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I made it very clear the 20% was income tax revenue. Not all revenue.

Why do you think California has the highest car registration fees in the Nation? Why the highest income taxes?

What other state has higher gasoline taxes?

It goes on and on, as the state spirals around the drain, and the Progressives scramble for ways to generate revenue to feed their socialist beast.

I look forward to a state my family called home for the last 150 years collapsing into the dust pile.

My hope is that it will serve as a lesson to the other 49, and citizens of Nations around the world who are considering the same insane socialist progressive ideas that will be terminating California.
 
ocean515 said:
I made it very clear the 20% was income tax revenue. Not all revenue.

Why do you think California has the highest car registration fees in the Nation? Why the highest income taxes?

What other state has higher gasoline taxes?

It goes on and on, as the state spirals around the drain, and the Progressives scramble for ways to generate revenue to feed their socialist beast.

I look forward to a state my family called home for the last 150 years collapsing into the dust pile.

My hope is that it will serve as a lesson to the other 49, and citizens of Nations around the world who are considering the same insane socialist progressive ideas that will be terminating California.
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The cal budget doesn't agree with your 20% claim.


The reasons costs are so high in cal is because it's what the market will bear. The free market is your ideal - right? Now you know how the other half lives...


California is the 5th largest economy in the world; we won't miss you at all, nor are we missing the throngs that have fled. For every ten of that goes, twenty more show up to to try and strike gold. What you should count on however is that this spiral of costs is not sustainable and will collapse.
 
ocean515 said:
I made it very clear the 20% was income tax revenue. Not all revenue.

Why do you think California has the highest car registration fees in the Nation? Why the highest income taxes?

What other state has higher gasoline taxes?

It goes on and on, as the state spirals around the drain, and the Progressives scramble for ways to generate revenue to feed their socialist beast.

I look forward to a state my family called home for the last 150 years collapsing into the dust pile.

My hope is that it will serve as a lesson to the other 49, and citizens of Nations around the world who are considering the same insane socialist progressive ideas that will be terminating California.
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The cal budget doesn't agree with your 20% claim.


The reasons costs are so high in cal is because it's what the market will bear. The free market is your ideal - right? Now you know how the other half lives...


California is the 5th largest economy in the world; we won't miss you at all, nor are we missing the throngs that have fled. For every ten that go, twenty more show up to to try and strike gold. What you should count on however is that this spiral of costs is not sustainable and will collapse.
 
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