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Liberals destroy more businesses

LouC said:
It is not propaganda.

Hey, if you want to tell the folks that assembled those 11 million plus cars and light trucks and suvs and vans here in America that they didn't manufacture anything.

Go right ahead!

Say your aunt knitted you a sweater.

The wool came from Scotland sheep, and was sent to India for dyeing and spinning, then shipped to America where she bought it off the shelf in Hobby Lobby.

Who manufactured the sweater?

The sheep shearers in Scotland?

The textile producers in India?

The shipping companies?

Hobby Lobby?

Or did your aunt manufacture the sweater?

The auto manufacturing industry in America does use a combination of domestically made parts, along with outside the country made parts, in varying degrees for each model, but the 11 million plus figure I mentioned are for vehicles manufactured in the United States, despite you calling it propaganda.
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It's propaganda because you're ignoring the decline.
 
Vadinho said:
How about the jobs Walmart and Amazon destroyed? Or big Ag. Why is it that conservatives never talk about these industries and pick up a story about some polluting industry that got whacked by California?
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I talk about them alot. Amazon is an outrageously illegal monopoly for which most of its profits come from the government subsidizing their shipping. WalMart used to feature American made products until Sam Walton died and his 4 kids each inherited $20 billion each - and just turned it over to the corporate guys all who tripped over themselves building factories in China - while it is demanded the GOVERNMENT subsidize their employees wages, pay their medical costs and all the other things companies like Amazon and WalMart can well afford to pay their employees.

Breaking up Amazon is the only issue I agree with Elizabeth Warren on, but she is a pathological liar who will say anything and change anything she said the next day - just like she jumped back and forth over what ethnicity she is - whichever was more profitable to her.
 
joko104 said:
I talk about them alot. Amazon is an outrageously illegal monopoly for which most of its profits come from the government subsidizing their shipping. WalMart used to feature American made products until Sam Walton died and his 4 kids each inherited $20 billion each - and just turned it over to the corporate guys all who tripped over themselves building factories in China - while it is demanded the GOVERNMENT subsidize their employees wages, pay their medical costs and all the other things companies like Amazon and WalMart can well afford to pay their employees.

Breaking up Amazon is the only issue I agree with Elizabeth Warren on, but she is a pathological liar who will say anything and change anything she said the next day - just like she jumped back and forth over what ethnicity she is - whichever was more profitable to her.
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Amazon is not an illegal monopoly.

More fun facts from joko that aren't true!

Hey dude, give us the name of the company in the OP your alleged friend allegedly worked for!

Tell us the truth for once!
 
phattonez said:
Oh look, more propaganda. They're in debt to companies like Tyson who lease the land and make the farmers keep up with the newest equipment so that they can never become independent. These aren't independent farms.



Corporate vs. Independent, Family Owned Farms - Differences and Conflicts
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You did notice your linked article made claims without citing any substantiating data?

Perhaps you missed that?

Here, below is a link that contradicts your article, and it comes with substantiation for all of it's claims via sources cited!

Read from it if you dare to learn something that is a fact that is true!

https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/90985/eib-203.pdf?v=6080

Or just be a Trump and pretend you are the most intelligent person on here and that anything that contradicts what you think is "fake news" or "propaganda".

:2wave:
 
joko104 said:
I talk about them alot. Amazon is an outrageously illegal monopoly for which most of its profits come from the government subsidizing their shipping. WalMart used to feature American made products until Sam Walton died and his 4 kids each inherited $20 billion each - and just turned it over to the corporate guys all who tripped over themselves building factories in China - while it is demanded the GOVERNMENT subsidize their employees wages, pay their medical costs and all the other things companies like Amazon and WalMart can well afford to pay their employees.

Breaking up Amazon is the only issue I agree with Elizabeth Warren on, but she is a pathological liar who will say anything and change anything she said the next day - just like she jumped back and forth over what ethnicity she is - whichever was more profitable to her.
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Oh Lord have mercy that post is just chock full of false claims it isn't even funny.

Seriously, it is sad, but it isn't funny.
 
joko104 said:
I talk about them alot. Amazon is an outrageously illegal monopoly for which most of its profits come from the government subsidizing their shipping. WalMart used to feature American made products until Sam Walton died and his 4 kids each inherited $20 billion each - and just turned it over to the corporate guys all who tripped over themselves building factories in China - while it is demanded the GOVERNMENT subsidize their employees wages, pay their medical costs and all the other things companies like Amazon and WalMart can well afford to pay their employees.

Breaking up Amazon is the only issue I agree with Elizabeth Warren on, but she is a pathological liar who will say anything and change anything she said the next day - just like she jumped back and forth over what ethnicity she is - whichever was more profitable to her.
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Then why bitch about some small outfit? As for Warren, she believed she was part Native American. Now she knows the truth. If that is all that supports your accusation then I feel for you buddy.
 
Vadinho said:
Then why bitch about some small outfit? As for Warren, she believed she was part Native American. Now she knows the truth. If that is all that supports your accusation then I feel for you buddy.
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Thing is he is accusing Warren as a "pathological liar" but he has yet to prove he wasn't flat out fabricating some false claim in his OP about some "friend" and some "company".

Along with multiple other flat out false claims made in this thread.

Got to love such folks!

:lamo
 
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Vadinho said:
Then why bitch about some small outfit? As for Warren, she believed she was part Native American. Now she knows the truth. If that is all that supports your accusation then I feel for you buddy.
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I can relate to Warren on that score. We were told as kids our great grandmother was half Cherokee. It sounded true, she certainly looked to me like she could have been. I did the DNA Ancestry thing and it came back with absolutely zero indication of any Native American genetics. The thing is Warren made the mistake of using what she had been told to do more than add to a conversation. I didn't. So I never had to eat any retractions or endure embarrassing faux pas moments.
 
LouC said:
You did notice your linked article made claims without citing any substantiating data?

Perhaps you missed that?

Here, below is a link that contradicts your article, and it comes with substantiation for all of it's claims via sources cited!

Read from it if you dare to learn something that is a fact that is true!

https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/90985/eib-203.pdf?v=6080

Or just be a Trump and pretend you are the most intelligent person on here and that anything that contradicts what you think is "fake news" or "propaganda".

:2wave:
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That's more than a little misleading.

State of American farming: Big producers dominate food production
 
LouC said:
I can relate to Warren on that score. We were told as kids our great grandmother was half Cherokee. It sounded true, she certainly looked to me like she could have been. I did the DNA Ancestry thing and it came back with absolutely zero indication of any Native American genetics. The thing is Warren made the mistake of using what she had been told to do more than add to a conversation. I didn't. So I never had to eat any retractions or endure embarrassing faux pas moments.
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Well, families are full of stories about ancestors. Who knows if they are true or not. As for Warren, obviously she thought she was part Native American and checked the mark. I have plenty of friends who did the same thing based on family stories. Hell, we have a tribe here locally where one of them looks like Walter Payton, he gets away with it.
 
Vadinho said:
And what about our processed foods? Pepsi owns most of what is in our grocery stores under one name or another.
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Okay? That's also a problem.
 
joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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How is California using the Trump EPA to make this a national rule exactly?
 
phattonez said:
Okay? That's also a problem.
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Its' one of the reasons why we are so fat. We eat terrible foods largely because we destroyed the small farm and local food sources. Ever been to Europe? Every town has a butcher, a baker, a pastry maker, a produce market, a fish market and so on. Food is grown locally to be consumed locally. A tomato in Italy or Spain is so good its hard for Americans to understand how it could be a tomato. I have a buddy that just got back from Italy. He said one of the greatest meals he had was tomatoes with buffalo cheese and basil. Think about that for a second. A simple dish, nothing but fresh ingredients and it was so memorable that it stood out because of the fresh produce and cheeses. I miss Europe, I really do.
 
Vadinho said:
Its' one of the reasons why we are so fat. We eat terrible foods largely because we destroyed the small farm and local food sources. Ever been to Europe? Every town has a butcher, a baker, a pastry maker, a produce market, a fish market and so on. Food is grown locally to be consumed locally. A tomato in Italy or Spain is so good its hard for Americans to understand how it could be a tomato. I have a buddy that just got back from Italy. He said one of the greatest meals he had was tomatoes with buffalo cheese and basil. Think about that for a second. A simple dish, nothing but fresh ingredients and it was so memorable that it stood out because of the fresh produce and cheeses. I miss Europe, I really do.
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We could so easily have the same thing here, but we don't have politicians who represent us.
 
joko104 said:
EPA and DOT rules destroyed the American auto industry. Not unions. Not managers. The leftwingers - same people who want to use "climate change" to destroy the last of the USA's industry and economy - put massive laws on US automakers they couldn't possibly meet with their current tooling and technology - while at the same time deliberately creating a fuel crisis by blocking domestic production - turning American cars from the greatest cars on earth to crap.

In doing so, they destroyed millions of jobs and destroyed one of the greatest American cities - Detroit.

War. Death. Destruction. Racism. Sedition. Revolution. That is all the Democratic Party does - the worst enemy the USA and Americans (plus Native Americans) ever had - and still does. It was INSANE to not have outlawed the Democratic Party after the Civil War. Americans have been dying by the thousands, tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands ever since. The number of lives the Democratic Party has destroyed is too great to even calculate fully.
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You don't know what you're talking about and your OP is nothing but crap.
 
phattonez said:
I'm fine with free markets, but there is no freedom for an exploited worker without property.
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Then they need to take their bootstraps elsewhere and yank them up there.

That is the Republican way!
 
phattonez said:
Free trade with countries that allow naked exploitation of their citizens killed our manufacturing base.

Instead today all we produce is debt.
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More facts from someone that just aren't true!

:lamo
 
phattonez said:
Have you seen Ford's stock charts? Who owns Chrysler? What happened to GM?
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Those companies are all still in business and all contributed to manufacturing the more than 11 million cars and light trucks manufactured in America last year.

They also, at least under the filthy Liberal President Obama, made enormous gains on the export of American manufactured automobiles.

Read it and Weep!

https://www.trade.gov/td/otm/assets/auto/ExportPaper2015.pdf

Ford Stock was up before idiot Trump ran for the presidency and got elected and since he especially began his idiotic trade wars without any cogent plan.

But for the RECORD regarding Ford Stock prices.

Ford Stock Price close on the Day Bush took office = $26.31
Ford Stock Price close on the Day Bush left office = $2.19

Ford Stock price close on the Day Obama took office = $2.13
Ford Stock price close on the Day Obama left office = $12.43

Ford Stock price close on the Day Trump took office = $12.36
Ford Stock price close today after 1002 Days of Trump = $8.90

Notice the trend. It is down during Republican Presidencies and up during the filthy Liberal President's terms of office.

:2wave:
 
phattonez said:
Have you seen Ford's stock charts? Who owns Chrysler? What happened to GM?
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Looks like FCA Group is in charge.

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) designs, engineers, manufactures and sells vehicles and related parts, services and production systems worldwide. The Group operates 102 manufacturing facilities and 46 R&D centers; and it sells through dealers and distributors in more than 135 countries.

FCA’s automotive brands include Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Fiat, Fiat Professional, Jeep, Lancia, Ram, Maserati. The Group’s businesses also include Mopar (automotive parts and service), Comau (production systems) and Teksid (iron and castings).

In addition, retail and dealer financing, leasing and rental services in support of the Group’s car business are provided through subsidiaries, joint ventures and commercial arrangements with third-party financial institutions.

FCA is listed on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol “FCAU” and on the Mercato Telematico Azionario under the symbol “FCA”.

Group Overview

| FCA Group

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles owns Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Dodge, Fiat, Jeep, Maserati, and Ram.

Who Owns Which Car Brands? - Consumer Reports
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Sounds pretty solid to me.
 
LouC said:
You didn't read any of it did you?
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The fact that the land is nominally owned by families doesn't change my point. These farmers are in debt, lease equipment from these companies, and are forced to sell only to them. There's a difference between a family owned farm and a truly independent farm.
 
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