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Liberals destroy more businesses

joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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Liberals love China. :lol:
 
joko104 said:
And you're wanting people's lives destroyed - with white guilt suicidal people agreeing to be so victimized - on behalf of the corporate super rich and government control freaks tells how you see yourself.
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You don't see how climate change will cause destructions of life on a grand scale in the future ?

The white male suicide epidemic is not down to " white guilt " imo , it is down to the white male believing in the American dream and then finding out in middle age that it's a crock ,usually the hard way. Blacks and Hispanics never believed it in the first place which served them well for dealing with the knocks of life from an early age
 
mrjurrs said:
Strange interpretation. Try it this way. Good paying manufacturing jobs gone to China. Crap paying burger flippering jobs replacing them.
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You just said that there were tons of jobs that are going unfilled. Presumably better paying jobs.
 
joko104 said:
No I don't. My supporting the death penalty does not mean I have to defend lynchings.

I was pointing out the only effect of the federal regulations enforcement I cited only has the effect of eliminating American manufacturing and jobs to shift it to China. That is not an "anti-business" stance of the government. It is a pro-business stance for the wealthiest people on earth - mega billionaire corporation's foreign child labor sweatshops - with the most of those super rich being Americans living in Americans being fabulously wealthy by controlling the USA government for their profits at the expense of the USA and Americans.

It is another example of how liberalism use false reasons - such as climate change - is used by the super rich to corruptly make money thru the US government by using the government in ways that are only to serve the super rich Americans at the expense of Americans and the USA.

I do not have to agree with you trying to change the topic.
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Oh, calm down. Yes, liberals overreach and overreact at times. But the Trump administration also serves the rich by eliminating environmental regs and labor safety laws. Name your poison. I’ll take the left’s over the right’s anytime.
 
MTAtech said:
We make lots of laws that hinder business. We have laws that outlaw selling Heroin and Crack Cocaine. Think of all the drug dealers that have to find other work. It's intolerable! It's tyranny!

A few years ago, businesses that import snakes, like pythons and boa constrictors, complained to Congress that new regulations banning their import would hurt their business, even though the ban would keep 100,000 new deadly snakes out of the environment when they escape.

Your example meets the same criteria as the examples that I gave. Government must weigh competing interests. It isn't always the guy trying to sell something that should always prevail in that weighing.
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The difference is that ban applied to everyone, in this case the only people who are being stopped are those in the US, while other countries can still produce and SELL them in the US. Had they banned the sale and importation of ALL said items then I'd have no problem.
 
mrjurrs said:
Strange interpretation. Try it this way. Good paying manufacturing jobs gone to China. Crap paying burger flippering jobs replacing them.
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Good paying manufacturing jobs went away with the unions. Then WE paid corporations to outsource because even without unions the pay was too high. By cutting the taxes on the wealthy we cut the middle classes throat. We made exorbitant salaries for the top the holy grail. Stop blaming China. Blame the "job creators" that decided that all the profits must be funneled to the top and nothing else mattered.
 
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iguanaman said:
Good paying manufacturing jobs went away with the unions. Then WE paid corporations to outsource because even without unions the pay was too high. By cutting the taxes on the wealthy we cut the middle classes throat. We made exorbitant salaries for the top the holy grail. Stop blaming China. Blame the "job creators" that decided that all the profits must be funneled to the top and nothing else mattered.
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Yeah.. please explain exactly how taxing me MORE.. will make me pay my employees more...
 
joko104 said:
And you're wanting people's lives destroyed - with white guilt suicidal people agreeing to be so victimized - on behalf of the corporate super rich and government control freaks tells how you see yourself.
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WTF are you talking about?
 
joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company.
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So let me get this straight. Liberals in California were the only thing keeping this company afloat in the first place and so now that Liberals decided they don't want these parts made anymore Liberals are some how the bad guys?

joko104 said:
What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever.
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So I suppose you think that since someone could theoretically hire a Chinese assassin to murder your wife America should just get rid of it's own laws against hiring an American assassin to murder your wife?

Or maybe the right solution would be to ban the import of these parts from China as well

joko104 said:
All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.
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How does building Solar Panels and Windmills on American Soil shift jobs to China? The jobs aren't currently in America, and we're creating them here. Do you know less than nothing about the Green New Deal. The whole entire point of it is to make sure America is a leader in green jobs that cannot be shipped overseas.
 
joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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What’s the name of the company? I’m having trouble verifying your story.
 
jaeger19 said:
So.. you just gave me a reason to lower the salaries of my employees namely the CEO's of my companies. Okay.. more for me as the owner.

Gimmee..you don't think these things through.. do you? CEO's are employees.
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So you own a franchise operation?
 
MrWonka said:
So let me get this straight. Liberals in California were the only thing keeping this company afloat in the first place and so now that Liberals decided they don't want these parts made anymore Liberals are some how the bad guys?


So I suppose you think that since someone could theoretically hire a Chinese assassin to murder your wife America should just get rid of it's own laws against hiring an American assassin to murder your wife?

Or maybe the right solution would be to ban the import of these parts from China as well


How does building Solar Panels and Windmills on American Soil shift jobs to China? The jobs aren't currently in America, and we're creating them here. Do you know less than nothing about the Green New Deal. The whole entire point of it is to make sure America is a leader in green jobs that cannot be shipped overseas.
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BS. Nothing in the green deal assures American jobs whatsoever. In fact, that claim is a massive lie.

The Democratic Party furiously demands no tariffs to protect slave labor foreign sweatshops because to this day the Democratic Party has refused to give up slave labor products for their own personal benefit. They only shifted their slave labor profiteering to other countries.
 
iguanaman said:
Good paying manufacturing jobs went away with the unions. Then WE paid corporations to outsource because even without unions the pay was too high. By cutting the taxes on the wealthy we cut the middle classes throat. We made exorbitant salaries for the top the holy grail. Stop blaming China. Blame the "job creators" that decided that all the profits must be funneled to the top and nothing else mattered.
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I don't blame China. I blame corrupt politicians. Most of all, corrupt Democratic politicians and their endless promotion of slavery for their own profits and benefit.
 
joko104 said:
I don't blame China. I blame corrupt politicians.
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Blame Reagan and the "job creators". They were told that making themselves obscenely rich was good for America and they took it to heart. You alway mention the jobs lost but forget who benefitted and are STILL benefitting.
 
joko104 said:
BS. Nothing in the green deal assures American jobs whatsoever.
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That is literally what 80% of the bill is designed to do. You're woefully uninformed.

joko104 said:
The Democratic Party furiously demands no tariffs to protect slave labor foreign sweatshops because to this day the Democratic Party has refused to give up slave labor products for their own personal benefit. They only shifted their slave labor profiteering to other countries.
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Is this supposed to be a Joke or something? Have you ever actually listened to Elizabeth Warren talk at all? You just blamed Democrats for what is essentially the stated goal of basically every Republican economic policy of the last 5 decades.

Like seriously dude, you couldn't be more wrong about what you just said if you were intentionally trying to be wrong. You literally couldn't come up with a statement that was more false if your goal was to lie.
 
joko104 said:
I don't blame China. I blame corrupt politicians. Most of all, corrupt Democratic politicians and their endless promotion of slavery for their own profits and benefit.
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Good god man. Your delusion is staggering.

Trump event touted '''made in America''' goods. A lot of his merchandise couldn'''t be featured.

I mean I seriously hope you don't own a gun because you seem like the type of person who would see your own reflection in a Mirror, think it's an intruder and then put a gun barrel in your own mouth to threaten your mirror image.
 
jaeger19 said:
So.. you just gave me a reason to lower the salaries of my employees namely the CEO's of my companies. Okay.. more for me as the owner.

Gimmee..you don't think these things through.. do you? CEO's are employees.
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If you are pretending to be the "owner" of a corporation, you are a stockholder.

Are you going to define what you are so that we can debate the point?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
If you are pretending to be the "owner" of a corporation, you are a stockholder.

Are you going to define what you are so that we can debate the point?
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Yes.. I am a stockholder.. the majority stockholder of a number of privately held companies.

And I have CEO's that are employees that run these companies for me. (and I am CEO of one of them as well).

Under Bernies Tax plan... It incentivizes me to LOWER my employee pay (ceos are employees) to avoid getting taxed at a higher corporate rate.
 
MrWonka said:
That is literally what 80% of the bill is designed to do. You're woefully uninformed.


Is this supposed to be a Joke or something? Have you ever actually listened to Elizabeth Warren talk at all? You just blamed Democrats for what is essentially the stated goal of basically every Republican economic policy of the last 5 decades.

Like seriously dude, you couldn't be more wrong about what you just said if you were intentionally trying to be wrong. You literally couldn't come up with a statement that was more false if your goal was to lie.
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The lie is yours. The Green Deal legislation didn't ban any imports whatsoever. While it repeatedly talks about jobs, nothing it in required manufacturing in the USA.
 
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