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A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
 
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joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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Awwww... thoughts and prayers.
 
:lamo
 
joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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We make lots of laws that hinder business. We have laws that outlaw selling Heroin and Crack Cocaine. Think of all the drug dealers that have to find other work. It's intolerable! It's tyranny!

A few years ago, businesses that import snakes, like pythons and boa constrictors, complained to Congress that new regulations banning their import would hurt their business, even though the ban would keep 100,000 new deadly snakes out of the environment when they escape.

Your example meets the same criteria as the examples that I gave. Government must weigh competing interests. It isn't always the guy trying to sell something that should always prevail in that weighing.
 
MTAtech said:
We make lots of laws that hinder business. We have laws that outlaw selling Heroin and Crack Cocaine. Think of all the drug dealers that have to find other work. It's intolerable! It's tyranny!

A few years ago, businesses that import snakes, like pythons and boa constrictors, complained to Congress that new regulations banning their import would hurt their business, even though the ban would keep 100,000 new deadly snakes out of the environment when they escape.

Your example meets the same criteria as the examples that I gave. Government must weigh competing interests. It isn't always the guy trying to sell something that should always prevail in that weighing.
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No I don't. My supporting the death penalty does not mean I have to defend lynchings.

I was pointing out the only effect of the federal regulations enforcement I cited only has the effect of eliminating American manufacturing and jobs to shift it to China. That is not an "anti-business" stance of the government. It is a pro-business stance for the wealthiest people on earth - mega billionaire corporation's foreign child labor sweatshops - with the most of those super rich being Americans living in Americans being fabulously wealthy by controlling the USA government for their profits at the expense of the USA and Americans.

It is another example of how liberalism use false reasons - such as climate change - is used by the super rich to corruptly make money thru the US government by using the government in ways that are only to serve the super rich Americans at the expense of Americans and the USA.

I do not have to agree with you trying to change the topic.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Awwww... thoughts and prayers.
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^ Always for the destruction of the USA and Americans if you are like most progressive Democrats. Will there ever be enough homeless Americans for you to say that's enough?
 
bomberfox said:
:lamo
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You're not the only one who laughs at the poor and homeless - or just don't care.

This is the second time I've started a thread on a specific person who lost a job (and everyone else in the same situation) on behalf of the government deliberately harming Americans on behalf of non-Americans.

Yes, that time too progressive Democrats didn't give a damn or thought it funny too.

The Democratic Party is the party of hate - hate of the United States and hate of Americans on every topic.
 
joko104 said:
You're not the only one who laughs at the poor and homeless - or just don't care.

This is the second time I've started a thread on a specific person who lost a job (and everyone else in the same situation) on behalf of the government deliberately harming Americans on behalf of non-Americans.

Yes, that time too progressive Democrats didn't give a damn or thought it funny too.

The Democratic Party is the party of hate - hate of the United States and hate of Americans on every topic.
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:lamo
 
joko104 said:
No I don't. My supporting the death penalty does not mean I have to defend lynchings.

I was pointing out the only effect of the federal regulations enforcement I cited only has the effect of eliminating American manufacturing and jobs to shift it to China. That is not an "anti-business" stance of the government. It is a pro-business stance for the wealthiest people on earth - mega billionaire corporation's foreign child labor sweatshops - with the most of those super rich being Americans living in Americans being fabulously wealthy by controlling the USA government for their profits at the expense of the USA and Americans.

It is another example of how liberalism use false reasons - such as climate change - is used by the super rich to corruptly make money thru the US government by using the government in ways that are only to serve the super rich Americans at the expense of Americans and the USA.

I do not have to agree with you trying to change the topic.
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There aren’t that many off road vehicles to impact many jobs selling these parts. If there are, it’s because so many are taking these parts and modifying on-road vehicles. The government doesn’t have to cooperate with this activity and is right to make it harder to acquire the parts.
 
MTAtech said:
We make lots of laws that hinder business. We have laws that outlaw selling Heroin and Crack Cocaine. Think of all the drug dealers that have to find other work. It's intolerable! It's tyranny!

A few years ago, businesses that import snakes, like pythons and boa constrictors, complained to Congress that new regulations banning their import would hurt their business, even though the ban would keep 100,000 new deadly snakes out of the environment when they escape.

Your example meets the same criteria as the examples that I gave. Government must weigh competing interests. It isn't always the guy trying to sell something that should always prevail in that weighing.
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You have to admit though that its seems a little hinky that the company can't produce the goods here in the US. .. but they can be produce in China and then sold to the US.
 
jaeger19 said:
You have to admit though that its seems a little hinky that the company can't produce the goods here in the US. .. but they can be produce in China and then sold to the US.
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I’m not even sure that’s true. There are many items that are illegal to import to California or other states.
 
MTAtech said:
I’m not even sure that’s true. There are many items that are illegal to import to California or other states.
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According to the OP.. people can buy the products online from china .

I'd like to know what specific products we are talking about here. What modifications would be made that would hurt the environment?
 
joko104 said:
^ Always for the destruction of the USA and Americans if you are like most progressive Democrats. Will there ever be enough homeless Americans for you to say that's enough?
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That's an odd assertion, coming from an admitted lifelong Marxist like you.

Why do you hate America?
 
it's like this

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joko104 said:
You're not the only one who laughs at the poor and homeless - or just don't care.

This is the second time I've started a thread on a specific person who lost a job (and everyone else in the same situation) on behalf of the government deliberately harming Americans on behalf of non-Americans.

Yes, that time too progressive Democrats didn't give a damn or thought it funny too.

The Democratic Party is the party of hate - hate of the United States and hate of Americans on every topic.
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Sorry, I used up all of my tears on the buggy whip industry.
 
jaeger19 said:
You have to admit though that its seems a little hinky that the company can't produce the goods here in the US. .. but they can be produce in China and then sold to the US.
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Not really, the American consumer has proven time and again that low costs are more important to them than American workers.
 
joko104 said:
No I don't. My supporting the death penalty does not mean I have to defend lynchings.

I was pointing out the only effect of the federal regulations enforcement I cited only has the effect of eliminating American manufacturing and jobs to shift it to China. That is not an "anti-business" stance of the government. It is a pro-business stance for the wealthiest people on earth - mega billionaire corporation's foreign child labor sweatshops - with the most of those super rich being Americans living in Americans being fabulously wealthy by controlling the USA government for their profits at the expense of the USA and Americans.

It is another example of how liberalism use false reasons - such as climate change - is used by the super rich to corruptly make money thru the US government by using the government in ways that are only to serve the super rich Americans at the expense of Americans and the USA.

I do not have to agree with you trying to change the topic.
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You don't have to agree with anything, your climate change denial stance tells us everything we need to know about how you see the world.
 
joko104 said:
No I don't. My supporting the death penalty does not mean I have to defend lynchings.

I was pointing out the only effect of the federal regulations enforcement I cited only has the effect of eliminating American manufacturing and jobs to shift it to China. That is not an "anti-business" stance of the government. It is a pro-business stance for the wealthiest people on earth - mega billionaire corporation's foreign child labor sweatshops - with the most of those super rich being Americans living in Americans being fabulously wealthy by controlling the USA government for their profits at the expense of the USA and Americans.

It is another example of how liberalism use false reasons - such as climate change - is used by the super rich to corruptly make money thru the US government by using the government in ways that are only to serve the super rich Americans at the expense of Americans and the USA.

I do not have to agree with you trying to change the topic.
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seems like the trumpsters are the ones making politics out of settled science
 
mrjurrs said:
Not really, the American consumer has proven time and again that low costs are more important to them than American workers.
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Yeah..thats being ridiculous because the American consumers are generally American workers or former workers or future workers.
 
jaeger19 said:
According to the OP.. people can buy the products online from china .

I'd like to know what specific products we are talking about here. What modifications would be made that would hurt the environment?
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joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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Ask the Midwestern Farmers. Ask the Coal Miners. Ask all those that are working two jobs to make ends meet. We were doing great under Clinton and Obama helped this Nation dig out if the worst Recession since the Depression, so far trump has not kicked business into new methods and production, you are kidding yourself if you believe he has.
 
MTAtech said:
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Well..thats idiotic on the part of the drivers. And that's more of a ticket issuing thing.. than a "lets ban all modifications".. . And we aren't talking trucks.. we are talking about ATV's and UTV's.
 
joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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Guessing you typed that while wearing your chinese made MAGA hat :lol:

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The Trumps have lots of ties to china ;)

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Its the democrats fault though !
 
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Utility Man said:
Guessing you typed that while wearing your chinese made MAGA hat :lol:

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The Trumps have lots of ties to china ;)

CsAjA4jXgAAqstm


Its the democrats fault though !
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OBamas fault!!!!
 
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