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Liberals destroy more businesses

joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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The counties that voted for Hillary Clinton accounted for 64% of the nation's GDP. The counties that vote for Trump, just 36%.

Another Clinton-Trump divide: High-output America vs low-output America

Yeah, yeah, yeah, "but Detroit", sure, Democrats run Detroit. They also run almost every other major city in the country and have for decades. Minneapolis, Seattle, Houston, Dallas, Denver, Kansas City, Boston and so on. Meanwhile, look at the areas ran by Republicans, places like Mississippi, rural Alabama, rural small towns across the rust belt, basically, what amount to third world level ****holes. The places ran like you want things ran are utter ****holes. So now, in typical chasing pennies, tripping over dollars fashion so common on the Trump supporting far right these days, you are bitching about regulations that impact about 0.000000001% of the economy.
 
joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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Okay...here's how this works: California cannot tell the EPA what to do, unless they sue the EPA in a federal circuit court.

If California is aligning its environmental protections with the EPA, then they are following federal policy...not the other way around.

And this is where I have a hard time believing your story.....

The Trump administration has been in effect for three years. Trump has appointed the past two heads of the EPA, both of whom have been dismantling EPA regulations. Now, even if they haven't gotten to this one yet, there would certainly be, at this point, a culture of non-enforcement. So, I doubt there was a "... federal inspector - a climate change fanatic..." that came to your neighbor's business.

Further...you are making an assumption that it is rich liberals who are making money off of doing business elsewhere....what makes you think it isn't conservatives....who are usually the ones to benefit off of things like this?
 
joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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So where's your boy Trump? Can't he use his unmatched wisdom here?
 
joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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I don't believe what you say. What is your evidence? Maybe you could provide a link to...something. CA is not going to allow foreign products in that isn't allowed when mfrd domestically.
 
jaeger19 said:
Yeah..thats being ridiculous because the American consumers are generally American workers or former workers or future workers.
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Which makes the reality that most of us choose low price over American jobs even more surprising.
 
mrjurrs said:
Which makes the reality that most of us choose low price over American jobs even more surprising.
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Not at all. Because they aren't.
 
joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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mrjurrs said:
Uhhh, been to Walmart lately? Or any of the other stores that display the more costly American made product next to the cheaper foreign brand. Maybe you're just not paying attention. See if this helps.
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Not only is American made more costly, but the quality isn't even there anymore. It used to be you paid more for an American brand but you got a better product. That is often no longer the case.

Costly Trade With China: Millions of U.S. jobs displaced with net job loss in every state | Economic Policy Institute
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Oh, you want more jobs to do? I suggest you grow you own food and make your own clothes instead outsourcing them to other people. Next time you need some wood to work around the house, grow some trees and mill up your own 2x4s.

All that sounds real dumb, doesn't it? Well it's just as dumb when a country does it.
 
aociswundumho said:
Not only is American made more costly, but the quality isn't even there anymore. It used to be you paid more for an American brand but you got a better product. That is often no longer the case.



Oh, you want more jobs to do? I suggest you grow you own food and make your own clothes instead outsourcing them to other people. Next time you need some wood to work around the house, grow some trees and mill up your own 2x4s.

All that sounds real dumb, doesn't it? Well it's just as dumb when a country does it.
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OP was complaining about the loss of jobs. I blame the American consumer, OP thinks it's the government.
 
mrjurrs said:
You don't have to agree with anything, your climate change denial stance tells us everything we need to know about how you see the world.
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And you're wanting people's lives destroyed - with white guilt suicidal people agreeing to be so victimized - on behalf of the corporate super rich and government control freaks tells how you see yourself.
 
joko104 said:
And you're wanting people's lives destroyed - with white guilt suicidal people agreeing to be so victimized - on behalf of the corporate super rich and government control freaks tells how you see yourself.
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I have no idea what you are talking about, and your description of me doesn't fit at all. Climate change is destroying peoples lives. Jobs that are no longer relevant have been lost since the first job happened. There should be white guilt, whites have used a false meritocracy model to build control and husband wealth at the expense of minorities since 1619.
 
mrjurrs said:
OP was complaining about the loss of jobs. I blame the American consumer, OP thinks it's the government.
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That is false. This traces back to the late 60s with liberalism took over the government and proceeded to destroy the USA's auto industry and steel industry on behalf of Japan and Germany and then continued to destroy as much of American industry as it could.

American consumers LOVED American made cars with over 90% of the cars made in the USA being American made. But liberals loved tiny imports and wanted all oil production in the USA shut down on behalf of foreign oil, forcing Americans go buy crappy little ugly cars destroying the auto industry.

Tariffs to 1.) protect American jobs and 2.) finance the federal government dates back to the earliest years of when tariffs were used to stop the British from using the slave labor of their colonies to destroy the American economy and jobs.

What changed this understanding was the Democratic Party losing the Civil War and their profiting from slavery. So instead the Democrats shifted to having their slaves in other countries producing their products cheap to sell in the USA instead. Thus, the Democratic Party kept their slavery-profits - only using other country's task masters rather than their own.

The reason the Democratic Party so furiously opposes tariffs is for exactly the same reason they furiously opposed ending slavery. The super rich who control the Democratic Party - at the time of the Civil War and now - absolutely do not want to lose their profits from slavery. Not then. Not now.

Bottom line, you continue to advocate for slavery profits for the super rich - the Democratic Party thing to do.
 
joko104 said:
That is false. This traces back to the late 60s with liberalism took over the government and proceeded to destroy the USA's auto industry and steel industry on behalf of Japan and Germany and then continued to destroy as much of American industry as it could.

American consumers LOVED American made cars with over 90% of the cars made in the USA being American made. But liberals loved tiny imports and wanted all oil production in the USA shut down on behalf of foreign oil, forcing Americans go buy crappy little ugly cars destroying the auto industry.

Tariffs to 1.) protect American jobs and 2.) finance the federal government dates back to the earliest years of when tariffs were used to stop the British from using the slave labor of their colonies to destroy the American economy and jobs.

What changed this understanding was the Democratic Party losing the Civil War and their profiting from slavery. So instead the Democrats shifted to having their slaves in other countries producing their products cheap to sell in the USA instead. Thus, the Democratic Party kept their slavery-profits - only using other country's task masters rather than their own.

The reason the Democratic Party so furiously opposes tariffs is for exactly the same reason they furiously opposed ending slavery. The super rich who control the Democratic Party - at the time of the Civil War and now - absolutely do not want to lose their profits from slavery. Not then. Not now.

Bottom line, you continue to advocate for slavery profits for the super rich - the Democratic Party thing to do.
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Pretty sure I see black helicopters circling your house. (By the way, tariffs and excise taxes were the accepted way of funding the government before the income tax was started).
 
mrjurrs said:
Uhhh, been to Walmart lately? Or any of the other stores that display the more costly American made product next to the cheaper foreign brand. Maybe you're just not paying attention. See if this helps.

Costly Trade With China: Millions of U.S. jobs displaced with net job loss in every state | Economic Policy Institute
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Yep. Very rarely is a "more costly American made product next to a cheaper brand.". I bet if we went into Walmart.. we would see that 90% of the time.. there is no MADE IN USA competitor for the Chinese product.

Our economy has changed. Now.. you can say its "displacing the American worker with net job loss in every state"?

But.. then explain why unemployment is some of the lowest ever then? Think about it.
 
joko104 said:
That is false. This traces back to the late 60s with liberalism took over the government and proceeded to destroy the USA's auto industry and steel industry on behalf of Japan and Germany and then continued to destroy as much of American industry as it could.

American consumers LOVED American made cars with over 90% of the cars made in the USA being American made. But liberals loved tiny imports and wanted all oil production in the USA shut down on behalf of foreign oil, forcing Americans go buy crappy little ugly cars destroying the auto industry.

Tariffs to 1.) protect American jobs and 2.) finance the federal government dates back to the earliest years of when tariffs were used to stop the British from using the slave labor of their colonies to destroy the American economy and jobs.

What changed this understanding was the Democratic Party losing the Civil War and their profiting from slavery. So instead the Democrats shifted to having their slaves in other countries producing their products cheap to sell in the USA instead. Thus, the Democratic Party kept their slavery-profits - only using other country's task masters rather than their own.

The reason the Democratic Party so furiously opposes tariffs is for exactly the same reason they furiously opposed ending slavery. The super rich who control the Democratic Party - at the time of the Civil War and now - absolutely do not want to lose their profits from slavery. Not then. Not now.

Bottom line, you continue to advocate for slavery profits for the super rich - the Democratic Party thing to do.
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Wow..that Kool Aid must taste REALLY Good!
 
jaeger19 said:
Yep. Very rarely is a "more costly American made product next to a cheaper brand.". I bet if we went into Walmart.. we would see that 90% of the time.. there is no MADE IN USA competitor for the Chinese product.

Our economy has changed. Now.. you can say its "displacing the American worker with net job loss in every state"?

But.. then explain why unemployment is some of the lowest ever then? Think about it.
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Unemployment is low because the jobs being created are service level entry jobs, jobs that anyone can perform. Look at jobs available in higher education and skilled positions. Not enough qualified applicants.
 
joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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Ask for corporate welfare to "make good" on normal market capitalism you were expecting and Only had to change, for Government purposes.
 
mrjurrs said:
Unemployment is low because the jobs being created are service level entry jobs, jobs that anyone can perform. Look at jobs available in higher education and skilled positions. Not enough qualified applicants.
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Well.. you just said it.. then there is not a lot of out of work people out there unable to find jobs. In fact.. we have need for skilled workers..

Seems to me.. you just killed your own argument that Chinese were taking jobs away from americans. IF that were the case.. we should have high unemployment.
 
joko104 said:
That is false. This traces back to the late 60s with liberalism took over the government and proceeded to destroy the USA's auto industry and steel industry on behalf of Japan and Germany and then continued to destroy as much of American industry as it could.

American consumers LOVED American made cars with over 90% of the cars made in the USA being American made. But liberals loved tiny imports and wanted all oil production in the USA shut down on behalf of foreign oil, forcing Americans go buy crappy little ugly cars destroying the auto industry.

Tariffs to 1.) protect American jobs and 2.) finance the federal government dates back to the earliest years of when tariffs were used to stop the British from using the slave labor of their colonies to destroy the American economy and jobs.

What changed this understanding was the Democratic Party losing the Civil War and their profiting from slavery. So instead the Democrats shifted to having their slaves in other countries producing their products cheap to sell in the USA instead. Thus, the Democratic Party kept their slavery-profits - only using other country's task masters rather than their own.

The reason the Democratic Party so furiously opposes tariffs is for exactly the same reason they furiously opposed ending slavery. The super rich who control the Democratic Party - at the time of the Civil War and now - absolutely do not want to lose their profits from slavery. Not then. Not now.

Bottom line, you continue to advocate for slavery profits for the super rich - the Democratic Party thing to do.
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come on!!!. . you got let us in on your secret! I want in on this entertainment!


What is the completely mentally retarded website you get this stuff from . . i gotta see it for myself and see if its just as funny and failed and bat**** insane there too?
 
joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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Fake news. No link. Don't believe things "your neighbor" tells you. Companies shut down every day for a multitude of reasons.

To ensure that these systems operate as designed, California Vehicle Code Section 27156 and the Federal Clean Air Act prohibit modifications that increase motor vehicle emissions. Since if properly designed, most performance modifications do not increase vehicle emissions, these same laws also allow the installation of parts or modifications proven by their manufacturers and the ARB not to increase vehicle emissions.
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Aftermarket, Performance and Add-On Parts
 
joko104 said:
A neighbor of our explained to me the government is essentially shutting down the USA manufacturing company he has worked at for over 30 years, with him short of making retirement. Being a smaller community there is no replacement job here (or likely anywhere) meaning among other things losing the house he has been paying for to be paid off by retirement. Everyone with the company is losing their jobs.

For half a century it has technically been illegal to modify cars and trucks driven on the road due to EPA and DOT regulations. However, none of this applied too off-road vehicles, racing vehicles, boats and non-vehicle motors. Thus, parts for such modifications were legal to make and sell - the only illegality is using them on street vehicles.

California outlawed making and selling parts that MIGHT be illegally used, even if the also could be legally used. The California market was huge for the company, financially breaking the company. In addition, California is using the Federal EPA to impose California law nationwide. The owner (we also know) said when coming to his company the federal inspector - a climate change fanatic - told him that he is "murdering the planet."

What it means is to buy such parts people will have to order them online from China since the EPA can not control Chinese manufacturing. The only effect of the regulations is to 100% eliminate USA manufacturing and selling of the products to 100% shift production and sales to China. It's ok to "murder the planet" - as long as this makes jobs and money for other countries, not Americans and the USA.

Thus the real effect is NOT to do anything to affect climate change whatsoever. All it does is shift 100% of relevant jobs and income from the USA to China - just like essentially every climate change policy goal does.

Climate-change radicals essentially are foreign agents and lobbyists of China's and other foreign child labor sweatshop factories.
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Climate change is unrelated to your ridiculous rant that was devoid of any proper spelling and punctuation.
 
joko104 said:
No I don't. My supporting the death penalty does not mean I have to defend lynchings.

I was pointing out the only effect of the federal regulations enforcement I cited only has the effect of eliminating American manufacturing and jobs to shift it to China. That is not an "anti-business" stance of the government. It is a pro-business stance for the wealthiest people on earth - mega billionaire corporation's foreign child labor sweatshops - with the most of those super rich being Americans living in Americans being fabulously wealthy by controlling the USA government for their profits at the expense of the USA and Americans.

It is another example of how liberalism use false reasons - such as climate change - is used by the super rich to corruptly make money thru the US government by using the government in ways that are only to serve the super rich Americans at the expense of Americans and the USA.

I do not have to agree with you trying to change the topic.
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It does support the billionaires. Like the one you think is a great President.

Should we count you on our side for the class war?
 
jaeger19 said:
Well.. you just said it.. then there is not a lot of out of work people out there unable to find jobs. In fact.. we have need for skilled workers..

Seems to me.. you just killed your own argument that Chinese were taking jobs away from americans. IF that were the case.. we should have high unemployment.
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Strange interpretation. Try it this way. Good paying manufacturing jobs gone to China. Crap paying burger flippering jobs replacing them.
 
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