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What kind of worker benefits from increased government involvement in private businesses?

Businessmen do offer benefits and incentives to employees because that makes good sense in the free market. The government does not need to interrupt and interfere with those market decisions.

You do realize that it is the government which makes health benefits tax deductible for businesses, correct? Offering benefits nowadays is in part to retain employees, but its history comes from a very specific period in history when there was a shortage of labor and it was used as a means of giving businesses a competitive edge since they couldn't raise wages due to existing laws. The question then becomes: would employer provided benefits have lasted this long without the tax exemption? Probably not. As it stands now, some businesses are pushing more of the cost back to their employees in part because of the increasing cost of health insurance.
 
Karl Marx was not a businessman and he did not understand fiscal realities in economic systems. He demonized employers and advocated unrealistic concessions be made by companies to be fair to employees, regardless of any risk factors. Companies often cannot afford to pay more than they do and remain in business. Don't expect every selfish proletariat to understand markets and businesses and the economy.

How in the world is that a response to what I wrote? I said nothing about Karl Marx, the proletariat, or anything else you wrote above.

Where do you get this idea that businesses cannot afford to pay a fair and living wage? The bare fact is that government regulation forced businesses to do that starting in the 1920s in Europe, and here for a few decades starting in the 1930s and continuing through the 1970s, and businesses did just fine.

Back when I was in the corporate world, I consulted for a wide array of businesses at all levels and in many industries, and the data I collected at that time showed that businesses could often afford to pay twice or thrice what they were paying and remain profitable. When CEOs complain that they cannot afford to give their employees a raise, what they mean is that to do so the shareholders might have to learn to live with 4% returns than the 10% they’ve gotten used to, and thus might have to learn to live with two houses rather than five.

The bare fact is that there was a time when most families could have a very decent lifestyle with one parent working outside the home, and that job provided enough to pay for a house, a car, health care, college tuition, two weeks of vacation, etc for a family of four. And businesses were doing just fine.
 
You do realize that it is the government which makes health benefits tax deductible for businesses, correct? Offering benefits nowadays is in part to retain employees, but its history comes from a very specific period in history when there was a shortage of labor and it was used as a means of giving businesses a competitive edge since they couldn't raise wages due to existing laws. The question then becomes: would employer provided benefits have lasted this long without the tax exemption? Probably not. As it stands now, some businesses are pushing more of the cost back to their employees in part because of the increasing cost of health insurance.

You are mistaken about when in history the practice of employers offering benefits occurred in the US. The fascists FDR and Truman illegally froze wages during the 1940s and into the 1950s, so businesses could not pay people what they were entitled. There was actually a glut of workers in the US, as millions of soldiers returned home after WW II in 1945, but that didn't stop the fascist left from keeping their illegal and unconstitutional wage freeze in place.

It was the fascist left that caused businesses to begin offering non-monetary benefits, not the shortage of labor as you mistakenly claim.
 
You are making two erroneous assumptions.

The first is that unions and the ability for the worker to work in safe environments and to get a living wage and have the ability to negotiate for them is solely the property of communism and socialism. Unions and negotiations have existed since the late 1500's and trace their lineage back to the guilds of Europe during the Renaissance. Communism and socialism did not really come into being until the 1840's and then specifically in 1848 with Marx's Communist Manifesto. So, the list and premise you describe actually existed CENTURIES before socialism and communism; there has always been the effort of labor to group together to create a better situation for themselves from their employers and consistently brought in government to create an established agreement since about 1580 when guilds started to turn into unions.

Ironically, it was this very premise that gave the GOP its power. The birth of the GOP as we know it, or the birth of Lincoln's party, was built on labor and business regulations. The GOP enjoyed huge popularity among labor because the main goals of the GOP was to take businesses to task over inhumane labor conditions. Lincoln himself is recorded dozens of times of his support for unions. And lucky for the US at that time, the GOP were violently opposed to slavery for the reason that it was a violation of a man's right to work and to make profit from his own labor. Now days...not so much.

The second error is one of being naive. The idea that businesses are inherently mindful of their workers' needs and well-being. As a whole, that is not true. And that is history talking, not a liberal op-ed piece. You can walk into any library, pull books off the shelf on the economic history of the US (in particular) and HISTORY will tell you that EVERY time there is a relaxation regulation and labor practices, when corporations and businesses are given the choice to do the right thing by making profit in an ethical manner....90% of the time they choose maximization of profit over labor, safety practices, employment and the safety of those who use their product and services to maximize those profits.

People dies when de-regulation happens. Either in the warehouse, the factory floor or the consumer when they fall victim to a bad practice of service or given a product that kills them or causes server sickness and/or disease. With unions, you also get regulations. That keeps the workers safe and the consumer safe as well.

Or let me put in another way...if you do not support regulation or unions...then you DO support illegal immigration. Why? Simple capitalism. Why should an owner of a business or corporation shell out money for an American to get a living wage when they can pay only 10% to a person who is willing to work for just that 10%...and most of those people are from outside the US. They will lobby and bribe Congress and local officials to ease up on those regulations. They will lobby and bribe Congress and local officials to look the other way by making the punishment for hiring illegals a simple, affordable fine instead of jail time. And if they are truly brazen, they will simply pay off whomever they need to to look the other way for the simple fact that consequences of one's actions are insignificant due to the lack of a responsible labor force that will work to protect its profits and its management and the fact that there is no regulations on businesses.

Look, if you take a Darwinian approach to labor...then Americans will lose each and every time. Why? Because economic Darwinism has no ethics or morality or sense of nation or people...and if you take away the ability of a people, or a nation, to collect as a group to make corporations/businesses/the government follow the rules and to give them a chance at a living wage and the ability to invest and to take care of themselves in so many different way via their labor profits...then you are anti-American and pro-profit...wherever that profits comes from.

And that profit won't be American.
 
You are lamenting millions of starving people around the world begging God their child could find work. ^^ That response does not address them. What is Trump's trade wars doing to help those starving families around the world?

I'm not sure Trump is doing anything to help poor kids around the world. I'm not sure Obama did either. I'm not convinced most Americans even care.
 
You're going to extremes. Marx did espouse the idea of the proletariate being exploited by the capitalists, and if you're a student of history, it's clear he was right on that point.

No, the moron was not right. He saw everything through the stupid lens of personal selfishness and fiscal stupidity.

If you look at all of the labor movements throughout the world, they're borne out of workers reaching the breaking point in terms of compensation, working conditions etc. What we must always remember is businesses are focused on their profit margins and not on their impact to those whom they employ, their impact on the environment, or other similar externalities if left to their own devices. Does that make corporations "evil"? Not always, but it certainly causes a level of myopic outlook that can lead to terrible consequences. In some cases their is certainly a degree of callousness which one could classify as evil (e.g. suppressing their own studies on how their product or services cause harm).

You have captured the essence of Marx's deep delusions and total misunderstandings about where wealth comes from and how to work to get it. Thank God American was not founded on Marxist stupidity. If we had been we might all have been speaking German instead of English after WW2.

I'm not clear what your stance on this is; are you advocating that employees and government have no say in how businesses impact people and society?

The government and human organizations cannot help free economies grow and prosper by taking away the "free" aspect of free enterprise.
 
You do realize that it is the government which makes health benefits tax deductible for businesses, correct? Offering benefits nowadays is in part to retain employees, but its history comes from a very specific period in history when there was a shortage of labor and it was used as a means of giving businesses a competitive edge since they couldn't raise wages due to existing laws. The question then becomes: would employer provided benefits have lasted this long without the tax exemption? Probably not. As it stands now, some businesses are pushing more of the cost back to their employees in part because of the increasing cost of health insurance.

The lesson to be learned here is that when the government tries to fix businesses in the free enterprise system it makes a huge mess of things, costing taxpayers dearly.
 
How in the world is that a response to what I wrote? I said nothing about Karl Marx, the proletariat, or anything else you wrote above.

Where do you get this idea that businesses cannot afford to pay a fair and living wage? The bare fact is that government regulation forced businesses to do that starting in the 1920s in Europe, and here for a few decades starting in the 1930s and continuing through the 1970s, and businesses did just fine.

Back when I was in the corporate world, I consulted for a wide array of businesses at all levels and in many industries, and the data I collected at that time showed that businesses could often afford to pay twice or thrice what they were paying and remain profitable. When CEOs complain that they cannot afford to give their employees a raise, what they mean is that to do so the shareholders might have to learn to live with 4% returns than the 10% they’ve gotten used to, and thus might have to learn to live with two houses rather than five.

The bare fact is that there was a time when most families could have a very decent lifestyle with one parent working outside the home, and that job provided enough to pay for a house, a car, health care, college tuition, two weeks of vacation, etc for a family of four. And businesses were doing just fine.

The overwhelming majority of American small businesses are just hanging on by a thread. Investments in large businesses only work if those large businesses can afford to pay dividends or returns on investments. If all businesses are robbed of 'excess' capital then investments will dry up and America will fall to its knees in fiscal depression. Cities, organizations, schools, retirement funds, and all sorts of people and entities invest in businesses which they expect will be profitable. If democrat presidential candidates become successful in robbing those corporations of their profits then millions of Americans and organizations who invested in the corporations will suffer because of the government confiscation of their wealth.
 
You are mistaken about when in history the practice of employers offering benefits occurred in the US. The fascists FDR and Truman illegally froze wages during the 1940s and into the 1950s, so businesses could not pay people what they were entitled. There was actually a glut of workers in the US, as millions of soldiers returned home after WW II in 1945, but that didn't stop the fascist left from keeping their illegal and unconstitutional wage freeze in place.

There was health insurance available prior to WW2, but the tax exemption status came in 1943. Health benefits were how businesses were able to compete for workers without doing so via salaries because FDR's amendment was to prevent inflation.

It was the fascist left that caused businesses to begin offering non-monetary benefits, not the shortage of labor as you mistakenly claim.

The shortage of labor existed at the time FDR went down the road of legislating price stability.
 
No, the moron was not right. He saw everything through the stupid lens of personal selfishness and fiscal stupidity.

To what do you attribute the way workers were treated by corporations prior to the labor movement?


You have captured the essence of Marx's deep delusions and total misunderstandings about where wealth comes from and how to work to get it. Thank God American was not founded on Marxist stupidity. If we had been we might all have been speaking German instead of English after WW2.



The government and human organizations cannot help free economies grow and prosper by taking away the "free" aspect of free enterprise.

You still haven't addressed why labor movements started and whether or not you think it makes sense for workers to fight for their rights.
 
The lesson to be learned here is that when the government tries to fix businesses in the free enterprise system it makes a huge mess of things, costing taxpayers dearly.

Not at all; that's a defeatist approach. I'll assume you're against all of the labor protections employees currently enjoy. If you're so pro free markets, then I'll also assume you take no issue with corporations moving their labor outside of this country. It makes perfect business sense to seek the lowest possible cost for labor.
 
There was health insurance available prior to WW2, but the tax exemption status came in 1943. Health benefits were how businesses were able to compete for workers without doing so via salaries because FDR's amendment was to prevent inflation.
FDR's Executive Order, and Truman's later enforcement of it, was unconstitutional. Truman went so far as to try to nationalize the steel industry. Such is the fascist socialism of the anti-American left.

The shortage of labor existed at the time FDR went down the road of legislating price stability.
There was no shortage of labor after 1945, yet the fascist socialist Truman kept FDR's unconstitutional Executive Order in place until he was kicked out of office in 1952. We had enough socialist fascist dictators-for-life in FDR, we didn't need another in Truman.
 
To what do you attribute the way workers were treated by corporations prior to the labor movement?
You still haven't addressed why labor movements started and whether or not you think it makes sense for workers to fight for their rights.

America was established as a free market economy, which helped make it prosper above so many other nations depending on government regulation of business. A businessman gets into business the same way a worker gets a job - to male money. The free market provides workers the best they can get in jobs and compensation which good businessmen provide the best of in order to obtain the best workers.

By being unfair to workers in a free market system, a business owner shoots himself in the foot by not attracting the best workers.
 
Not at all; that's a defeatist approach. I'll assume you're against all of the labor protections employees currently enjoy. If you're so pro free markets, then I'll also assume you take no issue with corporations moving their labor outside of this country. It makes perfect business sense to seek the lowest possible cost for labor.

Business owners in a free market system must compete with other business owners for the best workers just like workers must compete with other workers for the best jobs. There is nothing wrong with such a system as that. Poor workers do not like competition, they do not like hard work, they do not like being told what to do, and so forth.
 
It might just be an investment for the shareholders, but it's the worker's living.

The part you left out is that the wealth shareholders decided to put to a productive use did not materialize out of thin air. You don't get to belittle their contribution, nor do you get to judge the importance they give to goals of their own.
 
The overwhelming majority of American small businesses are just hanging on by a thread.

Uhhh...I doubt that's true, but whether it is or not, I'm not sure it's particularly relevant, as the overwhelming majority of American workers are not employed at businesses that are just hanging on by a thread. The proportion of workers employed at businesses that have at least 20 employees to those employed at businesses with fewer than 20 employees is about 11:1. The proportion of workers employed at companies with more than 250 employees to those with fewer than 250 employees is about 3:1. See here:

Entrepreneurship - Employees by business size - OECD Data

It's probably true that people who are incorporated with one employee (namely themselves) don't have a lot of spare cash, but other businesses, especially larger businesses, are doing just fine.

Investments in large businesses only work if those large businesses can afford to pay dividends or returns on investments.

Sure, true. I'm not sure why you think that's relevant. No one is talking about making it so that businesses cannot show a profit. Indeed, you might have realized that from reading my posts, which I don't think you've done very carefully.

If all businesses are robbed of 'excess' capital then investments will dry up and America will fall to its knees in fiscal depression.

But this is not true. How do you define what is excessive? My point was that most businesses could afford to give a very substantial pay raise to their employees and still show a return for their investors.

Cities, organizations, schools, retirement funds, and all sorts of people and entities invest in businesses which they expect will be profitable. If democrat presidential candidates become successful in robbing those corporations of their profits then millions of Americans and organizations who invested in the corporations will suffer because of the government confiscation of their wealth.

Well, if it were up to me, I suppose it's fair to say that the economy would function very differently than it does today--I'd go very much farther than any democrat I know of has said they'd go. But it's not up to me, and as far as I can tell, the democrat politicians are not talking about doing anything that businesses couldn't easily handle. I reiterate that I've seen behind the veil on this subject before; I was VP of Operations for a mid-cap grocery retail and distribution chain before going into consulting. All of this right-wing rhetoric about how businesses are struggling is, for the most part, horse-pucky. Guys like you either get paid to write it, or become useful idiots by repeating it.

I point out once again that you haven't addressed most of my posts, and especially seem to have studiously avoided addressing what is probably the most damaging point for your case (because, in fact, it utterly destroys your case): the idea that a single person could work outside the home for a wage that supports a family of four, paying a mortgage, a car, health care, college tuition, vacation, food, entertainment, etc. is not some pie-in-the-sky socialist fantasy that would gut American businesses. We know this because it used to be the reality right here in America. I'm old enough to remember it.
 
Uhhh...I doubt that's true, but whether it is or not, I'm not sure it's particularly relevant, as the overwhelming majority of American workers are not employed at businesses that are just hanging on by a thread. The proportion of workers employed at businesses that have at least 20 employees to those employed at businesses with fewer than 20 employees is about 11:1. The proportion of workers employed at companies with more than 250 employees to those with fewer than 250 employees is about 3:1. See here:

Entrepreneurship - Employees by business size - OECD Data

Government regulations you claim don't harm big businesses do harm small businesses you make light of. Socialist governments seek to disrupt the competitive forces natural to free enterprise and force changes designed to benefit the worker over the business, driving up consumer costs and driving down economic vitality in society as a whole. Marxism never made an economy great. It always made economies much worse which implemented its nonsense.

It's probably true that people who are incorporated with one employee (namely themselves) don't have a lot of spare cash, but other businesses, especially larger businesses, are doing just fine.

When Chrysler went bankrupt Obama had to bail them out to save the unions at the expense of the American taxpayers.

Sure, true. I'm not sure why you think that's relevant. No one is talking about making it so that businesses cannot show a profit. Indeed, you might have realized that from reading my posts, which I don't think you've done very carefully.

Too many democrat morons clearly believe corporations are only evil and greedy for trying to make a profit.

But this is not true. How do you define what is excessive? My point was that most businesses could afford to give a very substantial pay raise to their employees and still show a return for their investors.

The greedy worker makes a huge mistake when he looks at how bosses live and thinks he is getting the shaft. He was offered the job he took because he was begging to get the job but after he took the job he did nothing but gripe and complain and cause his boss grief because he could not be happy being forced to work and sweat for wages which were lower than his boss'

Well, if it were up to me, I suppose it's fair to say that the economy would function very differently than it does today--I'd go very much farther than any democrat I know of has said they'd go. But it's not up to me, and as far as I can tell, the democrat politicians are not talking about doing anything that businesses couldn't easily handle. I reiterate that I've seen behind the veil on this subject before; I was VP of Operations for a mid-cap grocery retail and distribution chain before going into consulting. All of this right-wing rhetoric about how businesses are struggling is, for the most part, horse-pucky. Guys like you either get paid to write it, or become useful idiots by repeating it.

Guys like you have no idea what Marxism has done to the economies of other nations. You may know fruits and vegetables but you don't seem to have much of a grasp on the history of human civilizations.

I point out once again that you haven't addressed most of my posts, and especially seem to have studiously avoided addressing what is probably the most damaging point for your case (because, in fact, it utterly destroys your case): the idea that a single person could work outside the home for a wage that supports a family of four, paying a mortgage, a car, health care, college tuition, vacation, food, entertainment, etc. is not some pie-in-the-sky socialist fantasy that would gut American businesses. We know this because it used to be the reality right here in America. I'm old enough to remember it.

You blame random corporations for driving wages down in an entire country. That is not what drives the value of money down. Government waste, fraud, abuse, inflation, regulation and taxation are all major factors driving the value of wages down, not a 'bad' corporation here or there.
 
FDR's Executive Order, and Truman's later enforcement of it, was unconstitutional. Truman went so far as to try to nationalize the steel industry. Such is the fascist socialism of the anti-American left.

There was no shortage of labor after 1945, yet the fascist socialist Truman kept FDR's unconstitutional Executive Order in place until he was kicked out of office in 1952. We had enough socialist fascist dictators-for-life in FDR, we didn't need another in Truman.

But there was at the time when the stabilization act was passed. I don't think it made sense to keep that kind of salary restriction once the labor shortage ended.
 
Business owners in a free market system must compete with other business owners for the best workers just like workers must compete with other workers for the best jobs. There is nothing wrong with such a system as that. Poor workers do not like competition, they do not like hard work, they do not like being told what to do, and so forth.

You keep coming back to this point about poor performing workers which are the exception and not the rule. What the original discussion was about was whether the market system alone works as it relates to worker compensation, working conditions etc. My point was that the standards we have today are not because corporations sorted this out on their own, but because of the efforts of labor and government intervention. There often needs to be a balance to ensure the whole works properly. So again I ask you, what do you think would have happened without the efforts of the labor movement? Do you think there would be paid vacations/sick days etc.? Would corporations have changed their practices without people being vocal?
 
Government regulations you claim don't harm big businesses do harm small businesses you make light of. Socialist governments seek to disrupt the competitive forces natural to free enterprise and force changes designed to benefit the worker over the business, driving up consumer costs and driving down economic vitality in society as a whole. Marxism never made an economy great. It always made economies much worse which implemented its nonsense.

You have this thing with Marxism when no one is advocating that kind of solution. There's plenty of gray when thinking about the balance between government and the private sector, and they don't exist in isolation. The cost of doing business depends on what the society chooses as acceptable consequences for economic growth. In this country we've agreed that the cost of doing business should include certain measures which protect citizens from poor working conditions, polluting the environment etc. While it may drive the cost of products made here, it's so we're not dying from pollution related illnesses or fatalities in the work place. Can you name one industrialized nation where government doesn't protect the public from the private sector at some capacity?



When Chrysler went bankrupt Obama had to bail them out to save the unions at the expense of the American taxpayers.

The idea was to protect the jobs in an already damaged economy. I think it's easy to just say the market will sort it out, but the government has to deal with the people who are out of work. Had the economy not been in the shape it was in, I would be more inclined to agree that it should have been allowed to fail.


Too many democrat morons clearly believe corporations are only evil and greedy for trying to make a profit.

Conversely, one would have to be incredibly naive to assume corporations are good actors of their own accord. The profit motive blinds one to all of the externalities outside of achieving that end. It's why we've required regulations to prevent poor practices. When you're constantly looking to reduce costs, those decisions might be good for the bottom line but terrible for other things.



The greedy worker makes a huge mistake when he looks at how bosses live and thinks he is getting the shaft. He was offered the job he took because he was begging to get the job but after he took the job he did nothing but gripe and complain and cause his boss grief because he could not be happy being forced to work and sweat for wages which were lower than his boss'

Again, you keep going to the exceptions; unless you think every worker thinks this way. There are a lot of reasons why workers become disgruntled; everything from pay to lack of mobility. In this economy workers have a bit more options and leverage depending on the industry, so the issues will vary.



Guys like you have no idea what Marxism has done to the economies of other nations. You may know fruits and vegetables but you don't seem to have much of a grasp on the history of human civilizations.

I'll have to disagree there, and I think you're an alarmist who assumes things that aren't there. You rail against Marxism and assume someone is looking to establish a Marxist economy whenever people attempt to push for better situations for themselves. There will always be people who assume leaving corporations to their own devices is the best practice, so it's funny you accuse others of not having a grasp on history when you avoid our own history as it relates to labor and the role of corporations.


You blame random corporations for driving wages down in an entire country. That is not what drives the value of money down. Government waste, fraud, abuse, inflation, regulation and taxation are all major factors driving the value of wages down, not a 'bad' corporation here or there.

So what do we do about companies which want to save on labor by moving their manufacturing/services overseas? Technology companies routinely bring in foreign workers or outsource abroad to save on labor. Is that a practice which you support?
 
The part you left out is that the wealth shareholders decided to put to a productive use did not materialize out of thin air. You don't get to belittle their contribution, nor do you get to judge the importance they give to goals of their own.

Nor you mine, which happens to be reality.
The shareholders steal their wealth from the gap between the value of the employee's production and what they are paid. The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists of business.
 
The shareholders steal their wealth from the gap between the value of the employee's production and what they are paid.

It's quite something to accuse me of not talking about reality when you are restating (probably without even knowing) the Marxist labor theory of value. Well, I hate to break it to you, but the time you put into something is not what makes it valuable to others. If you ever attended school or university, you know this is absolutely true: many people put great efforts in things no one likes. Value is created when you organize inputs in a way that people prefer the package to the initial disparate lot. You can turn a profit as long as you do that. Another hint: the same works for employees. It's worth going to school longer if you can recuperate something you deem equivalent to forgone employment time, as well as the financial expenditures related to studying longer.

In our specific context, you also have to note that workers alone are useless. You need someone to have the idea of a business, to gather resources to finance its activities, to assemble teams and to organize them to perform those activities, and to find clients to sell the output. All of this without knowing for sure if, when or how much it will actually pay. But your comment doesn't mention any of that. I don't know what kind of world you live in, but you need an entire world of things to go right for you to have a job to attend to next monday. If a mess happens at some level, you might get paid late -- or indeed not at all because you lost your job. Making sure all of that works correctly so you have the security of your income is worth something.


Another bit of irony is your use of the word "theft." You know, nobody is forcing you to work for a wage you consider to be insufficient. Of course, people tend not to give things without compensation, unless you can't help yourself, so that might not be an option if you want to stay alive. Even then, not being able to force other people to give you things is not the same as others forcing you to work. On the other hand, you forcing other people to provide you with something in exchange for nothing is considerably closer to theft, even if you call that welfare.

Besides, I'm not sure I'd advise anyone to pull ideas out of Germany. The German intelligencia bread Marxism and Nazism less than a century apart, speaking in surprisingly similar terms to those you use. You just need to start ranting about financial capitalists and you'll sound just like Hitler, minus the antisemitism. Because that actually was a point brought up by Nazis: bankers and investors do not produce anything, they are state-sponsored thieves under a capitalist regime.
 
Government regulations you claim don't harm big businesses do harm small businesses you make light of.

It is entirely possible, and in fact almost always the case, that regulations are written to apply differently to differently-sized businesses.

Socialist governments seek to disrupt the competitive forces natural to free enterprise and force changes designed to benefit the worker over the business

Ummm...for the most part, sure. Everyone who works is a worker. Why wouldn't we want to benefit them?

driving up consumer costs and driving down economic vitality in society as a whole.

Probably false. At least you'll need to support this point. What exactly is "economic vitality" and how is it measured (since, to know whether it's "driven down" or not we need to know how to measure it)?

Marxism never made an economy great.

Measured the way capitalists measure economies, this may be true, though not to the extent you seem to think. But then, Marxists don't value the same things as capitalists.

That said, why all this talk of Marxism? You're the one that keeps bringing it up. No one (aside from you) is talking about implementing full-on Marxism.

When Chrysler went bankrupt Obama had to bail them out to save the unions at the expense of the American taxpayers.

Yes. Bush and co did the same thing for the financial sector. So what? Those people who work at those companies are themselves American citizens, and when they fare poorly, we all do a little worse ourselves.

The greedy worker makes a huge mistake when he looks at how bosses live and thinks he is getting the shaft. He was offered the job he took because he was begging to get the job but after he took the job he did nothing but gripe and complain and cause his boss grief because he could not be happy being forced to work and sweat for wages which were lower than his boss'

Two points:

1. You could replace "worker" with "Jew" in that paragraph above and it would sound just like Goebbels' propaganda about the "lazy Jews" in the lead-up to the holocaust. What we learned, or should have learned, from that episode and others in history is that almost no group of people is inherently worse than others. Workers in general are no more greedy than their bosses.

2. More importantly, you have tipped your hand more than you should have. Taking your words at face value, it seems that you want a system where the average American citizen is forced to beg for whatever the boss is willing to give. Well, having seen behind the scenes, I can tell you that a great many bosses want that same thing, and are actively scheming to bring about that situation. But why in the world would anyone want that kind of arrangement generally? I cannot think of a reason, especially since it obviously creates a more or less permanent under class and over class.

You blame random corporations for driving wages down in an entire country. That is not what drives the value of money down.

You've switched from talking about wages to the value of money, as if they're the same subject. They aren't. But only someone with this kind of sloppy and undisciplined thinking would agree with you.

Government waste, fraud, abuse, inflation, regulation and taxation are all major factors driving the value of wages down, not a 'bad' corporation here or there.

Again, support your point. I think your claim is false, but feel free to say why it isn't.
 
But there was at the time when the stabilization act was passed. I don't think it made sense to keep that kind of salary restriction once the labor shortage ended.

What part of illegal escaped your grasp? Presidents don't have the power to freeze wages, regardless of the situation. FDR simply took the power, as any fascist dictator would. He should never have issued the Executive Order and nobody should have abided by such an illegal order. FDR should have been impeached on that abuse of power alone.
 
Communist party platforms support more government regulation and control of businesses and the establishment of labor unions to force businesses to meet workers' demands. What kind of worker benefits from such oppression of business and free enterprise economies?

1. A lazy worker who likes the idea of employers being forced to pay higher salaries regardless of output.
2. A worker who has bad attitudes and wants the government to protect his job from being discriminated against because of his bad attitude.
3. Workers who want more benefits like free childcare, paid vacations, shorter hours, more paid sick leave, higher retirement incomes and so forth, in an economy where most business employers are struggling just to stay afloat.
3. Minorities who want to be given special status when competing for jobs and special protections when being disciplined for poor performance.
4. Workers who want their employment secure in spite of poor performance, laziness, bad attitudes, bad conduct, unreliable behaviors, incompetency and so forth.
And others.

You do know that u ions are raponsible for the things you claim they want "more of", right?

The 40 hour week. Paid sick leave. Paid vacations. Retirement money.

We got none of that before unions forced businesses to give them.

And we have lost ground since reagan era union busting.
 
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