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    A thought experiment on True Communism...

    I have seen numerous times over the years people argue in favor of "True" communism, to be differentiated from all of the failed Communist regimes over the course of modern history. So let's dispatch all of these prior "Communist" countries and focus on what true communism is, and how it would work in the real world.

    I have often, and just today, made the assertion that the primary reason that "true" communism can work beyond very small subsistence scales is because of the power necessary to accomplish anything beyond the very small scale requires increasing levels of organization to accomplish, and that organization centralizes power, and the greater the task the further the worker is separated from decision making, and the more powerful the decision makers.

    So here is my experiment:

    Read the classic intro to economics essay "I, Pencil"

    Now, by applying the power of "True Communism", explain the decentralized economy that could produce enough pencils such that anyone who needed a pencil could have one.
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    Re: A thought experiment on True Communism...

    why did you start this ridiculous thread?
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    Re: A thought experiment on True Communism...

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I have seen numerous times over the years people argue in favor of "True" communism, to be differentiated from all of the failed Communist regimes over the course of modern history. So let's dispatch all of these prior "Communist" countries and focus on what true communism is, and how it would work in the real world.

    I have often, and just today, made the assertion that the primary reason that "true" communism can work beyond very small subsistence scales is because of the power necessary to accomplish anything beyond the very small scale requires increasing levels of organization to accomplish, and that organization centralizes power, and the greater the task the further the worker is separated from decision making, and the more powerful the decision makers.

    So here is my experiment:

    Read the classic intro to economics essay "I, Pencil"

    Now, by applying the power of "True Communism", explain the decentralized economy that could produce enough pencils such that anyone who needed a pencil could have one.
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    Re: A thought experiment on True Communism...

    Here is the truth about why "true communism" has not, will not and cannot work. It is a utopian society. Everyone works, everyone eats, everyone has a house, everyone has a car, you don't have money, you need something you just go get it because it's there etc, etc, etc. It would be a perfect society with no want and therefore no need and no drive. It would be an existence only. Humans first of all are not perfect and you know the thing about square pegs in round holes right? Second of all human nature itself is a driven nature. We have an built in desire for more. Whether it is more knowledge, more land, more trips, more money, more things, more love, more, more more. That is NOT a bad thing. We are participating on this board only because of humanities desire for more. If we lived in a utopian communist society we would not have internet forums. This is why the USA grew into the greatest place in history. We embrace the good in humanity including the desire for more and it is used to the world's benefit. So no 'true communism" will never work and all forms that have been implemented are/were in reality nothing more than dictators playing mind games with the sheep who bought into it. Strangely enough they bought into it because they wanted and were promised more for nothing. That does not work unless you are looking to control a population.
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    Re: A thought experiment on True Communism...

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    Re: A thought experiment on True Communism...

    So "You didn't build that" started out as an argument from the right-wing against communism and for the "invisible hand". Interesting.

    Somehow Obama flipped that notion into a socialistic, "nothing gets done without government making it possible" message.
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    Re: A thought experiment on True Communism...

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Now, by applying the power of "True Communism", explain the decentralized economy that could produce enough pencils such that anyone who needed a pencil could have one.
    You mean a centrally planned economy. Capitalism is decentralized.

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    Re: A thought experiment on True Communism...

    Quote Originally Posted by eman623 View Post
    So "You didn't build that" started out as an argument from the right-wing against communism and for the "invisible hand". Interesting.

    Somehow Obama flipped that notion into a socialistic, "nothing gets done without government making it possible" message.
    Indeed, nothing does get done without government making it possible. (Sex, maybe.)

    But that’s not socialism, it’s capitalism: government makes incorporation possible, prosecutes theft, installs traffic lights. We all depend on government, but lots of us fail to admit it.

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    Re: A thought experiment on True Communism...

    Communism works quite well for insect colonies......humans, not so much.

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    Re: A thought experiment on True Communism...

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    You mean a centrally planned economy. Capitalism is decentralized.
    You need to read what the "that's not true communism" folks believe true communism is to understand the question. They see true communism as a dispersed group of independent communes.
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