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Slavery Reparations

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Virgil Jones

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Now that congress has held the hearings, what do you think?
 
After the Civil War they were promised 40acres and a mule.I think section 8 housing and an Obama phone have been more than enough.
 
Nope. Opens the door to hereditary debt.
 
As I have said, many times in the past, find me someone who was held as a slave, and then show me the man, who owned him, and I will be happy to demand the latter giver reparations to the former
 
TurtleDude said:
As I have said, many times in the past, find me someone who was held as a slave, and then show me the man, who owned him, and I will be happy to demand the latter giver reparations to the former
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If there were any living ex-slaves, I'd be in favor of the government paying reparations.

But there aren't.
 
There seems to be an element to the discussion that bypasses out of wedlock births, meaning single parent homes. Why is that I wonder?
 
Nothing is what they will get which is equal to what they deserve.
 
Virgil Jones said:
There seems to be an element to the discussion that bypasses out of wedlock births, meaning single parent homes. Why is that I wonder?
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WTF? What has that got to do with it?
 
Hamish Howl said:
WTF? What has that got to do with it?
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It entirely explains the problem they wish to address by claiming reparations are due. They claim that the reason black people struggle in modern society is because of slavery, which causes them to have all of their children out of wedlock, or something.
 
The crazy thing is that they all seem to have difficulties in other areas. They don't seem to have much infrastructure, or much wealth. They seem very poor. Perhaps I am missing something.
 
Administering this would be a nightmare. There is no way to fix long past wrongs.
 
I see very little public support for this measure, yet every few years it crops up.
 
As horrible as slavery was, and as much as I personally think anyone who has been wronged for any reason should be compensated for the wrong, it's simply not practical or reasonable to compensate everyone.

And it's not practical or reasonable to make future generations pay compensation for all the wrongs of past generations.

Do I think people who are wronged deserve compensation? YES

Do I think that a wrong that happened to someone in ie. 1819 or 1919 deserves to be compensated by the generation living in 2019? NO
 
**** no
 
I think the concept of reparations is a very slippery slope legally, and could lead to some unusual places.
In the eyes of the law the aggrieved party is
Aggrieved Party Meaning: Everything You Need to Know
The aggrieved party meaning refers to any party whose personal, property, or financial interests or rights are negatively impacted by another's action or by a statute, a judgment, or an order.
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In the case of the freed slaves, who is the aggrieved party?
 
Ta-Nehisi Coates made some good points that address some of the concerns mentioned here:

It is tempting to divorce this modern campaign of terror, of plunder, from enslavement, but the logic of enslavement, of white supremacy, respects no such borders, and the god of bondage was lustful and begat many heirs. Coup d’états and convict leasing. Vagrancy laws and debt peonage. Redlining and racist G.I. bills. Poll taxes and state-sponsored terrorism.

We grant that Mr. McConnell was not alive for Appomattox. But he was alive for the electrocution of George Stinney. He was alive for the blinding of Isaac Woodard. He was alive to witness kleptocracy in his native Alabama and a regime premised on electoral theft. Majority Leader McConnell cited civil rights legislation yesterday, as well he should, because he was alive to witness the harassment, jailing, and betrayal of those responsible for that legislation by a government sworn to protect them. He was alive for the redlining of Chicago and the looting of black homeowners of some $4 billion. Victims of that plunder are very much alive today. I am sure they’d love a word with the majority leader.
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Here’s What Ta-Nehisi Coates Told Congress About Reparations - The New York Times
 
Virgil Jones said:
Now that congress has held the hearings, what do you think?
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No.

Slavery in America was not done through government. Not like the rounding up of Japanese americans into internment camps.

AND the government that ultimately got rid of slavery...it basically the government that we have today. There is no debt.
 
Reparations will only be sanctioned in conjunction with a constitutional convention, because black people will need to “get some skin in the game.” White people are not going to sanction reparations if the resolution does not dissolve claims of “systemic racial biases.” “Systemic” problems means the system needs to be adjusted, and that means the charter(s) need(s) to be reordered with black people guarding the process from the irregular terms of racial biases.
 
Dumb, really dumb. Black folks should say **** you! I’ll make my own way.
 
Absolutely not. The idea is a feel good one that would be a logistical nightmare...
 
Virgil Jones said:
It entirely explains the problem they wish to address by claiming reparations are due. They claim that the reason black people struggle in modern society is because of slavery, which causes them to have all of their children out of wedlock, or something.
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They think it is our fault that they tend to perform poorly in school and on all the mental aptitude tests however they are designed, and that they commit so many crimes and have so many illegitimate children.
 
Virgil Jones said:
The crazy thing is that they all seem to have difficulties in other areas. They don't seem to have much infrastructure, or much wealth. They seem very poor. Perhaps I am missing something.
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They do better in the United States than in any black run country in the world. I am a white liberal, but I am not a guilt stricken white liberal. The civil rights legislation and the War on Poverty were supposed to enable them to behave and perform as well as whites. When their behavior got worse, the Republicans came to dominate the country.
 
yankintx said:
I see very little public support for this measure, yet every few years it crops up.
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Unfortunately, a lot of Democrats support this preposterous idea. I think we have just given Trump a second term.
 
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