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Damn You, Tom Selleck!

it's your choice to run away from this debate
i can see you have learned nothing thus far when you term collateral foreclosure to be the banks' stealing. were there any theft going on, law enforcement would be involved

i'm still here until i get bored again. as for jacking old peoples' houses, i wouldn't do that even for an all expenses paid weekend at Robin's Nest and a ride in TC's helicopter.
 
could your Mom use the money? if yes, i would hate that she was going without

No, she’s not in trouble, if that’s what you mean. The house is free and clear, the car is free and clear. My sister and I help her if she runs into trouble.
 
i'm still here until i get bored again. as for jacking old peoples' houses, i wouldn't do that even for an all expenses paid weekend at Robin's Nest and a ride in TC's helicopter.

it's a matter of perspective. my second job in the federal sector was as a liquidator. one i enjoyed because i was able to help a lot of unfortunate people. generally, they were financially over-extended but not very savvy financially. if they were willing to work with me, i was usually able to preserve much of the equity in their assets. it they were not, conducting a forced sale instead is among the easiest alternatives to maximize loan recovery. as i read the 'sad' stories in this thread, usually about the plight of the prospective heirs, it reminds me of those days of dealing with people who are financially ignorant
 
it's a matter of perspective. my second job in the federal sector was as a liquidator. one i enjoyed because i was able to help a lot of unfortunate people. generally, they were financially over-extended but not very savvy financially. if they were willing to work with me, i was usually able to preserve much of the equity in their assets. it they were not, conducting a forced sale instead is among the easiest alternatives to maximize loan recovery. as i read the 'sad' stories in this thread, usually about the plight of the prospective heirs, it reminds me of those days of dealing with people who are financially ignorant

well, good on you for helping out those that you could. like i said upthread, there are some things that my own employer does that i'm not a fan of and would definitely advise against, and some things that i do which could potentially help out a lot of people. it's sort of a trade off.
 
If you are old enough to retire but your necessary assets are financed, you need to wake up! My neighbors are of all ages and income and I have heard all kinds of stories from them. They don't understand these things and are reluctant to study them. You might think that financial institutions would step up and help them understand, but too often the institutions take advantage of us and talk us into loans of one kind or another that we don't need. Likewise annuities. My 90 year old widower friend next door, with loads of cash in bank savings, goes to withdraw some, and leaves an hour later with an annuity. I contacted the daughter who called the appropriate state agency and they got that fixed. Another couple almost got ripped off by AAA. They left a light on in their NEW car (the only light that doesn't time out) and the battery went dead and could not be jump started with the dinky battery the Tech had. AAA said it was the computer and made an appointment to have it towed to their service center. After the tech left, I took my truck over and jump started it. It was so dead that my truck had to be running during the process. Found out that AAA had already sold them a new battery about a year after they bought it. AAA never advised taking it to the dealership, which would have been my advice if I couldn't start it. Crooks are everywhere......
 
I hate seeing celebrities sell this stuff to seniors. Does Tom really need the dough? These are all scams preying upon poor seniors. Same thing for the gold commercials, sad.
 
I'm 25 years old and if you people actually believe in this scam. I don't have any empathy for you people. Something gave you a brain so do me a favor and stop trusting ads and research things!
 
Do you have any idea how banks and banking work? Or it's relationship to the government? At the time of the great bank failure there were approximately 16,000 banks in the country. Less than 20 were failing. I for one advocated letting those fail. Along with the losers in the automotive industry. Nothing should be too big to fail. Especially if there are thousands that stand ready to pick up the slack.

If you buy into a product or service based solely on an endorsement of a celebrity, then I can't help you.
Hear! Hear! :thumbs:

I think your presenting reasonable & cogent arguments for banking, yet coming down hard against them when it's deserved. Nice!
 
If you own your home outright, I would think the better recourse for an older person would be to sell the house, move to an apartment and live off the equity, if your savings and Social Security provide an adequate supplement. I suspect many seniors do not take this option because they are not prepared to downsize and get rid of all the extra stuff in their life.
 
If you own your home outright, I would think the better recourse for an older person would be to sell the house, move to an apartment and live off the equity, if your savings and Social Security provide an adequate supplement. I suspect many seniors do not take this option because they are not prepared to downsize and get rid of all the extra stuff in their life.

I’m there now, horns of a dilemma and all......
 
Meanwhile ....back at the ranch...Elizabeth Warren actually evicted people from their homes for personal profit and dems b like...tom sellek bad for doing reverse mortgage commercials...Elizabeth Warren....gooooood....geeewd
 
Meanwhile ....back at the ranch...Elizabeth Warren actually evicted people from their homes for personal profit and dems b like...tom sellek bad for doing reverse mortgage commercials...Elizabeth Warren....gooooood....geeewd

Source for accusation against Warren?
 
please explain how reverse mortgages exploit the elderly in any way different than a conventional mortgage

They are a terrible deal and the commercials lie. I friend of mine was sold one by some conman in the hospital as he was dying from cancer. He died without collecting a cent and his heirs needed to pay Skank of America $25000 just to get out of it. They are a scam and a fraud that need to be outlawed.

A reverse mortgage does not guarantee financial security for the rest of your life.
You don’t receive the full value of loan. The face amount will be slashed by higher-than-average closing costs, origination fees, upfront mortgage insurance, appraisal fees and servicing fees over the life of the loan

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I've read most of this thread and I am of the opinion that reverse mortgages are simply one tool in a long line of tools used to prevent what the 1% see as potentially catastrophic.

The Baby Boomers (those born between 1945 and 1960) have accumulated an aggregate wealth estimated to be well over $17 trillion dollars. Much of that wealth is tied up in middle class homes and property, savings, IRAs and pensions.

As the BB start to die off, that wealth is being passed on to the next generation in the form of inheritances. Inheritances is how most of today's 1% acquired their wealth, and they do not want the middle class to learn of their secret of wealth accumulation.

Way back in the early 1970's and 80's in the heyday of the earning power of the Boomers, some observant people realized how fast the wealth of the Boomers was accumulating. They foresaw this river of money flowing to the next generation and that just wouldn't do. Somehow they had to figure out how to siphon off as much of this wealth as possible before it reached the next generation. This wealth brought not only economic buying power but also political power. At the time, there were laws in place which effectively prevented the 1% from simply throwing a mountain of money into an election. This would have to change as well, and it did.

First, they started putting credit cards into EVERYONE'S hands, regardless of their credit worthiness. Millions of people, even unemployed college students, started receiving unsolicited credit cards in the mail. I know this to be a fact because the girl who would later become my wife received one while she was an unemployed college student at a community college while living at home with her parents. Knowing that most people have no idea how to manage credit, it was the first step in burying the boomers in debt.

Next came the Home Equity Loan. They encouraged people who had run up excessive debt on those credit cards to tap whatever equity they might have built up in their primary residence to pay off the credit cards. There was also the notorious Second Mortgage which accomplished the same thing. All the while Americans had still not learned how to manage credit. The idea was to convince people they could borrow their way to prosperity.

Then came the subprime home loan. Guaranteeing that people who had no business qualifying for a mortgage could do so. Let's not talk about what happened when the balloon payment came due.

Then came the reverse mortgage. One more way to relieve the Boomers of whatever equity they still might have acquired.

Finally, with all this debt piling up on the Boomers, the 1% completely crashed the housing market. And yes, I mean they did it deliberately. Even people who had not fallen for any of their earlier scams, who paid down their mortgages, saving their pennies, and were prudent with their wealth found themselves many times underwater as the homes all around them went into foreclosure. Thought you might retire in 2008 or 2009? Think again.

The banks and lenders scooped up real estate for pennies on the dollar. Then, to preserve their own equity, they held back many of these homes from the market to artificially buoy the market.

Now, add just a few tweaks to campaign finance laws, and the 1% can form a political PAC and fill it with as much money as they want and they don't even have to disclose where the money came from. They can literally legally buy any politician or office they want.

You know what tariffs are for? They are to destroy the markets for small family farms. When the family farms goes under, guess who will be there to pick up the pieces. If you guessed bankers, who will then sell those farms at a tidy profit to corporate factory farms, it means you've been paying attention.

There are those on this thread who claim that if someone got screwed by a reverse mortgage, it is of their own doing. The lenders are just there to take advantage of their stupidity. I say it is part of a much bigger plan to wipe out the middle class and relieve them of their hard earned wealth. After all, if you're too foolish to manage your money what makes you think your kids can do any better? No, you really ought to just hand it over to people who know how to make money work for them.

Yeah, the middle class Baby Boomers had a nice run, but all good things must come to an end.
 
I've read most of this thread and I am of the opinion that reverse mortgages are simply one tool in a long line of tools used to prevent what the 1% see as potentially catastrophic.

The Baby Boomers (those born between 1945 and 1960) have accumulated an aggregate wealth estimated to be well over $17 trillion dollars. Much of that wealth is tied up in middle class homes and property, savings, IRAs and pensions.

As the BB start to die off, that wealth is being passed on to the next generation in the form of inheritances. Inheritances is how most of today's 1% acquired their wealth, and they do not want the middle class to learn of their secret of wealth accumulation.

Way back in the early 1970's and 80's in the heyday of the earning power of the Boomers, some observant people realized how fast the wealth of the Boomers was accumulating. They foresaw this river of money flowing to the next generation and that just wouldn't do. Somehow they had to figure out how to siphon off as much of this wealth as possible before it reached the next generation. This wealth brought not only economic buying power but also political power. At the time, there were laws in place which effectively prevented the 1% from simply throwing a mountain of money into an election. This would have to change as well, and it did.

First, they started putting credit cards into EVERYONE'S hands, regardless of their credit worthiness. Millions of people, even unemployed college students, started receiving unsolicited credit cards in the mail. I know this to be a fact because the girl who would later become my wife received one while she was an unemployed college student at a community college while living at home with her parents. Knowing that most people have no idea how to manage credit, it was the first step in burying the boomers in debt.

Next came the Home Equity Loan. They encouraged people who had run up excessive debt on those credit cards to tap whatever equity they might have built up in their primary residence to pay off the credit cards. There was also the notorious Second Mortgage which accomplished the same thing. All the while Americans had still not learned how to manage credit. The idea was to convince people they could borrow their way to prosperity.

Then came the subprime home loan. Guaranteeing that people who had no business qualifying for a mortgage could do so. Let's not talk about what happened when the balloon payment came due.

Then came the reverse mortgage. One more way to relieve the Boomers of whatever equity they still might have acquired.

Finally, with all this debt piling up on the Boomers, the 1% completely crashed the housing market. And yes, I mean they did it deliberately. Even people who had not fallen for any of their earlier scams, who paid down their mortgages, saving their pennies, and were prudent with their wealth found themselves many times underwater as the homes all around them went into foreclosure. Thought you might retire in 2008 or 2009? Think again.

The banks and lenders scooped up real estate for pennies on the dollar. Then, to preserve their own equity, they held back many of these homes from the market to artificially buoy the market.

Now, add just a few tweaks to campaign finance laws, and the 1% can form a political PAC and fill it with as much money as they want and they don't even have to disclose where the money came from. They can literally legally buy any politician or office they want.

You know what tariffs are for? They are to destroy the markets for small family farms. When the family farms goes under, guess who will be there to pick up the pieces. If you guessed bankers, who will then sell those farms at a tidy profit to corporate factory farms, it means you've been paying attention.

There are those on this thread who claim that if someone got screwed by a reverse mortgage, it is of their own doing. The lenders are just there to take advantage of their stupidity. I say it is part of a much bigger plan to wipe out the middle class and relieve them of their hard earned wealth. After all, if you're too foolish to manage your money what makes you think your kids can do any better? No, you really ought to just hand it over to people who know how to make money work for them.

Yeah, the middle class Baby Boomers had a nice run, but all good things must come to an end.

And schools that stubbornly refuse to teach financial education so that students can learn things like balancing a checkbook and knowing the difference between the top 1% of income and the top 1% of wealth.
 
And schools that stubbornly refuse to teach financial education so that students can learn things like balancing a checkbook and knowing the difference between the top 1% of income and the top 1% of wealth.

What’s a checkbook?
 
I've read most of this thread and I am of the opinion that reverse mortgages are simply one tool in a long line of tools used to prevent what the 1% see as potentially catastrophic.

The Baby Boomers (those born between 1945 and 1960) have accumulated an aggregate wealth estimated to be well over $17 trillion dollars. Much of that wealth is tied up in middle class homes and property, savings, IRAs and pensions.

As the BB start to die off, that wealth is being passed on to the next generation in the form of inheritances. Inheritances is how most of today's 1% acquired their wealth, and they do not want the middle class to learn of their secret of wealth accumulation.

Source for the claim that most of the 1% acquired their wealth via inheritance?

Because I've seen the numbers for America's millionaire population, and it is hilariously, utterly, the opposite of that.
 
Source for the claim that most of the 1% acquired their wealth via inheritance?

Because I've seen the numbers for America's millionaire population, and it is hilariously, utterly, the opposite of that.

Of course, when you say inheritance is only the money you receive from a person when they die, you may be correct. But if a living relative gifts someone a million dollars, that is not an inheritance, it is a gift.

So let's not quibble over definitions. The fact is most wealthy people today did not earn their estate by the sweat of their brow, you know, like the rest of us.

I recall once when Mitt Romney's wife was speaking to a group of college kids and wanted to let them know she and Mitt truly understood what it meant to be struggling students. She disclosed that she and Mitt had to cash in some stocks and bonds in order to pay their tuition one year. Like all students do. SMH
 
Of course, when you say inheritance is only the money you receive from a person when they die, you may be correct. But if a living relative gifts someone a million dollars, that is not an inheritance, it is a gift.

So let's not quibble over definitions. The fact is most wealthy people today did not earn their estate by the sweat of their brow, you know, like the rest of us.

I recall once when Mitt Romney's wife was speaking to a group of college kids and wanted to let them know she and Mitt truly understood what it meant to be struggling students. She disclosed that she and Mitt had to cash in some stocks and bonds in order to pay their tuition one year. Like all students do. SMH
I'm still waiting on something - anything - that backs up your claim?
 
'Caveat emptor'-- let they buyer beware.

Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head to take out a reverse mortgage. Same as nobody holds a gun to anyone's head to pay for undercoating on a new car. Mortgage companies are not charities. Anyone who doesn't bother to read "the fine print" is an idiot. Anyone who needs a reverse mortgage in the first place already didn't plan their life very well.
 
'Caveat emptor'-- let they buyer beware.

Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head to take out a reverse mortgage. Same as nobody holds a gun to anyone's head to pay for undercoating on a new car. Mortgage companies are not charities. Anyone who doesn't bother to read "the fine print" is an idiot. Anyone who needs a reverse mortgage in the first place already didn't plan their life very well.

So you think that if the lonely old widow is convinced by that handsome young man at the bank to sign over her home to him, and it's a bad deal for her, it is all on her.

Tom Selleck stars in and produces a TV show in which he plays this upstanding straight arrow who always does the right thing. In these commercials, he cashes in on that character, convincing millions of seniors that he is looking out for them.

And your attitude is "If the seniors are so stupid and naive as to fall for a pitchman and piss away their life savings, screw them, they deserve what they get."
 
Tom must have been catching some heat for his sponsorship.....The backdrop and the tones are starkly different...

. Check out the view here!

Ads separated by about three years.

. A bit more folksy.
 
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