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House passes first climate change bill since Trump pulled out of Paris agreement

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[h=1]House passes first climate change bill since Trump pulled out of Paris agreement[/h]House passes first climate change bill since Trump pulled out of Paris agreement - CNNPolitics

Washington (CNN)The House of Representatives passed its first major piece of legislation addressing climate change on Thursday, aiming to prevent the US from leaving the Paris climate agreement.


The bill passed, 231-190. Three Republicans joined with Democrats to support the legislation.


It prohibits the use of federal funds from being used to withdraw from the treaty -- an agreement that's been sharply criticized by President Donald Trump. He's vowed to withdraw from the treaty, which wouldn't happen until November 2020, the same month as his re-election. Trump announced in June 2017 that the US would withdraw from the agreement.


The bill also requires the President to meet US obligations under the Paris Agreement of cutting greenhouse gas emissions by 26%-28% below 2005 levels by 2025.


The bill is not expected to go far in the GOP-controlled Senate.
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Climate change will be a main component of a few of the democratic candidates, some more than others. Governor Jay Inslee is building his campaign putting the focus on clean energy.
 
chance of this actually becoming law is what-about 2%?
 
I'm surprised 3 Repubs went for that, although, yeah, it'll never pass in the Senate, probably won't even get voted on w/ turtle-dick having the final say.

Bernie has a pretty good climate change thing going on, and he correctly ties it to infrastructure and jobs, which is a big thing for people who might care less about the climate change part, but can get behind the economic benefits.
 
I'm certain that was the topic tonight around the dining room table. "Did you hear what happened about the Paris Agreement?"

The most likely answer would be "no, what did Paris Hilton do now?"
 
HumblePi said:
[h=1]House passes first climate change bill since Trump pulled out of Paris agreement[/h]House passes first climate change bill since Trump pulled out of Paris agreement - CNNPolitics

Washington (CNN)The House of Representatives passed its first major piece of legislation addressing climate change on Thursday, aiming to prevent the US from leaving the Paris climate agreement.


The bill passed, 231-190. Three Republicans joined with Democrats to support the legislation.


It prohibits the use of federal funds from being used to withdraw from the treaty -- an agreement that's been sharply criticized by President Donald Trump. He's vowed to withdraw from the treaty, which wouldn't happen until November 2020, the same month as his re-election. Trump announced in June 2017 that the US would withdraw from the agreement.


The bill also requires the President to meet US obligations under the Paris Agreement of cutting greenhouse gas emissions by 26%-28% below 2005 levels by 2025.


The bill is not expected to go far in the GOP-controlled Senate.
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Climate change will be a main component of a few of the democratic candidates, some more than others. Governor Jay Inslee is building his campaign putting the focus on clean energy.
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This bill is dead upon arrival in the Senate. The bill exceeds the House of Representatives constitutional authority. The House of Representatives has absolutely no say in matters of treaties with other nations. That is between the President and the "advice and consent" of the Senate. As in:

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur...
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Which makes this bill unconstitutional, and that is why it will never be given a vote in the Senate.
 
TurtleDude said:
chance of this actually becoming law is what-about 2%?
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Out of the approximately 10,000 bills introduced in every Session of Congress, fewer than 5% ever become law. This particular bill has no chance of passing because it exceeds the House's constitutional authority. The House has absolutely no say in the treaty process.
 
TurtleDude said:
chance of this actually becoming law is what-about 2%?
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<1%.

won't even make it through the senate.
the house has no control over this.

the parris accord was never ratified by the congress trump can pull out of it if he wishes.
 
Glitch said:
Which makes this bill unconstitutional, and that is why it will never be given a vote in the Senate.
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It highly depends on what exactly the bill does. The comment above said that the bill "prohibits the use of federal funds from being used to withdraw from the treaty." If you're not a constitutional lawyer and have not read the details of this law, it's hard to jump and say "that's beyond the scope of your powers." More to the point, Republicans have little to nothing to gain from taking action on carbon emissions and they control the Senate. Depending on if they win something or not by voting on this bill, they might just kill it right away.
 
HumblePi said:
[h=1]House passes first climate change bill since Trump pulled out of Paris agreement[/h]House passes first climate change bill since Trump pulled out of Paris agreement - CNNPolitics

Washington (CNN)The House of Representatives passed its first major piece of legislation addressing climate change on Thursday, aiming to prevent the US from leaving the Paris climate agreement.


The bill passed, 231-190. Three Republicans joined with Democrats to support the legislation.


It prohibits the use of federal funds from being used to withdraw from the treaty -- an agreement that's been sharply criticized by President Donald Trump. He's vowed to withdraw from the treaty, which wouldn't happen until November 2020, the same month as his re-election. Trump announced in June 2017 that the US would withdraw from the agreement.


The bill also requires the President to meet US obligations under the Paris Agreement of cutting greenhouse gas emissions by 26%-28% below 2005 levels by 2025.


The bill is not expected to go far in the GOP-controlled Senate.
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Climate change will be a main component of a few of the democratic candidates, some more than others. Governor Jay Inslee is building his campaign putting the focus on clean energy.
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In other words, this is just a for show bill. Treaties are supposed to be ratified by the senate. When they aren't, any future president can withdraw from them at his whim. Treaties ratified by the senate, the constitutional process, Article II, section 2, usually have to have congressional approval for withdrawal. Any treaty not ratified is basically an agreement between whomever is president at the time and the country or organizations involved. It isn't an agreement between the United States as a Country with other countries or organizations unless it is ratified by the senate per the Constitution.
 
HumblePi said:
[h=1]House passes first climate change bill since Trump pulled out of Paris agreement[/h]House passes first climate change bill since Trump pulled out of Paris agreement - CNNPolitics

Washington (CNN)The House of Representatives passed its first major piece of legislation addressing climate change on Thursday, aiming to prevent the US from leaving the Paris climate agreement.


The bill passed, 231-190. Three Republicans joined with Democrats to support the legislation.


It prohibits the use of federal funds from being used to withdraw from the treaty -- an agreement that's been sharply criticized by President Donald Trump. He's vowed to withdraw from the treaty, which wouldn't happen until November 2020, the same month as his re-election. Trump announced in June 2017 that the US would withdraw from the agreement.


The bill also requires the President to meet US obligations under the Paris Agreement of cutting greenhouse gas emissions by 26%-28% below 2005 levels by 2025.


The bill is not expected to go far in the GOP-controlled Senate.
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Climate change will be a main component of a few of the democratic candidates, some more than others. Governor Jay Inslee is building his campaign putting the focus on clean energy.
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Why dont liberals in the House just pass a bill that bans global warming. That will have about as much effect on climate as the one they just passed.
 
Fletch said:
Why dont liberals in the House just pass a bill that bans global warming. That will have about as much effect on climate as the one they just passed.
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They can't do that as most of the hot air and pollution today comes out of their own chamber so that would amount to self destruction
 
TheEconomist said:
It highly depends on what exactly the bill does. The comment above said that the bill "prohibits the use of federal funds from being used to withdraw from the treaty." If you're not a constitutional lawyer and have not read the details of this law, it's hard to jump and say "that's beyond the scope of your powers." More to the point, Republicans have little to nothing to gain from taking action on carbon emissions and they control the Senate. Depending on if they win something or not by voting on this bill, they might just kill it right away.
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I don't need to read the details of a House bill to know that the House has no say in treaties whatsoever. They cannot specify how much is spent on them, or anything that has to do with the position the President has on any treaty. That is well beyond the scope of their authority. The bill will never reach the floor of the Senate for a vote. It will be tabled and die in committee because it is blatantly unconstitutional.
 
Witness Mitch at his finest, leading the same kind of saying no he led against obama. Mitch will obstruct any kind of worthwhile legislation led by the democrats, it's what he does. As in supreme court picks. The base is not moved by this stuff, I'm sure many cheer on the crazy laws on abortion alabama might sign into law. They care about being told they are better than the dreaded libs with their socialism. Truth and facts have no place in republican rhetoric. Climate change to republicans is one rung below raising taxes.
 
Why? What are the Democrats thinking?

We send these people to Washington, supposedly to help us. So how does this monumental waste of time help us?

It's like that one weird kid at a playground who sits in a corner alone playing by himself, while all the other kids are behaving normally somewhere else.

The House Democrats are passing one completely dead, total piece of junk legislation after another. Why doesn't Pelosi just pass a resolution saying she is the Queen of LA-LA land and the Emperor of Saturn? It would waste the same amount of time as passing this nonsense.

Why not sit down with the normal kids and try to get something accomplished that your side wants. If you really want America back in the Paris Agreement, give up something to get it.

Build a wall, get rid of Obamacare and actually try to fix it.

Just do something sane for a change.
 
Bill James said:
Why? What are the Democrats thinking?

We send these people to Washington, supposedly to help us. So how does this monumental waste of time help us?

It's like that one weird kid at a playground who sits in a corner alone playing by himself, while all the other kids are behaving normally somewhere else.

The House Democrats are passing one completely dead, total piece of junk legislation after another. Why doesn't Pelosi just pass a resolution saying she is the Queen of LA-LA land and the Emperor of Saturn? It would waste the same amount of time as passing this nonsense.

Why not sit down with the normal kids and try to get something accomplished that your side wants. If you really want America back in the Paris Agreement, give up something to get it.

Build a wall, get rid of Obamacare and actually try to fix it.

Just do something sane for a change.
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I agree with what you said, but the US hasn't left the Paris Agreement. The US will remain part of the Paris Agreement until after the 2020 General Election. If Trump loses reelection he will have failed to keep yet another campaign promise.
 
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