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    Re: Why shouldn't capitalism be better regulated?

    Quote Originally Posted by James972 View Post
    What we learn from " The New Jim Crow" is that liberal programs attacked the black community and created the school to prison pipeline and the street corner to prison pipeline. Do you understand? What did you learn fro the new Jim Crow?? Afraid to tell us??
    My lord, that record of yours is stuck ain't it? The New Jim Crow laws were a vast set of federal and state/local laws that were supported by one and all at the time. All that is but for the minorities they targeted. Joe Biden is feeling the heat about it right now as he should. I can think of many leftees in government who did not support the war on drugs or the prison pipeline, no conservative comes to mind. This all started with Nixon. Read more, talk less James.
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    Re: Why shouldn't capitalism be better regulated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadinho View Post
    The New Jim Crow laws were a vast set of federal and state/local laws that were supported by one and all at the time.
    Yes, a reaction to the deadly liberal programs that turned many, especially blacks, into criminals. THe choice was eliminate the deadly liberal programs or incarcerate its victims. Still the best choice is to eliminate the deadly liberal programs but liberals instead want more of them like a junkie wants more heroine. Now do you understand?

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    Re: Why shouldn't capitalism be better regulated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadinho View Post
    Did it not occur to you that the act was a reaction to real estate agents telling prospective buyers that the neighborhood was black or turning black? Looking at laws like this from a viewpoint of 50 years away is misleading and unfair. Does the act need updating to cover some of the issues we face today? Probably but never forget that prior to acts like these, racial discrimination in housing was legal and pervasive. That is how we got black ghettos in almost every city in the nation.
    In the early 1900s, Harlem was a pristine, affluent and white neighborhood. Landlords and real estate promoters tried to organize a movement to bar black people from renting apartments or buying real estates. Do I need to say that it failed miserably? That is in spite of a considerably more racist culture and a complete absence of governmental intervention. The reason is obvious: it doesn't matter who pays rent or buys a building, it only matters that the money gets in your pocket. On the other hand, building regulations and urban committees in large cities did manage to turn a few cities from a black majority to a white majority. That's what happened in San Francisco in the 1970s and 1980s. The government limited development in the Bay Area in the name of a plethora of "laudable" causes, eventually pricing the poorer black majority out of the city. Everyone who owned property early enough got enriched massively, they create a homelessness crisis and some of the world's biggest traffic jam problems... It sounds like 100% the opposite of the promise every single Democrat made in California since the early 1980s. It's ironic because loosening laws would let the supply of housing expand and many of those problems would decrease in severity.

    Some of the worst private intentions fail because hateful people tend to like their wallet more than they hate you. Some of the best intentions of public officials lead to catastrophes because policies that sound helpful can have very bad unintended consequences. It doesn't mean racism doesn't exist and never played a role anywhere. It means you have to be careful not to assume markets don't tend to work against racism (they tend to do it) and not to assume governments work against it (they sometimes work for it). It's harder to fight racism than it seems.

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    Re: Why shouldn't capitalism be better regulated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vadinho View Post
    My lord, that record of yours is stuck ain't it? The New Jim Crow laws were a vast set of federal and state/local laws that were supported by one and all at the time. All that is but for the minorities they targeted. Joe Biden is feeling the heat about it right now as he should. I can think of many leftees in government who did not support the war on drugs or the prison pipeline, no conservative comes to mind. This all started with Nixon. Read more, talk less James.
    Republicans have been singing to roughly the same tune for over 150 years. Protect individual liberties, promote individual responsibility, enforce laws and punish criminals.

    If you read speeches by Lincoln, they sound like Republicans today. The same sorts of ideas were used to abolish slavery, fight segregation laws and pass civil rights laws. All of this was done with people who believed in small governments and free markets and the opposition on the other side always believed using governmental powers to enforce their vision. Democrats earned the black vote in the 1930s by buying up the support of the very people they despised the most with the New Deal. A majority of Democrats voted against civil rights in the 1960s and, save for one Democrat, all those racists died as blue and as bigotted as they were in the heyday of the rampant racism they instituted. Once Democrats figured out they could bundle up voters in minorities by convincing them of their victimhood and pledging to pour taxpayer money in their pockets, they started to look like what they look like today.

    Do you know the irony? Courts started to expand the ability of criminals to evade punishment in the 1950s through the 1970s and the Johnson administration launched the federal government on a path to massively expand welfare programs. Expenditures exploded in a matter of 5 years. It sounds like what people have in mind when they think about helping out the poor and fighting crime in black neighborhoods today... The poverty rate did not budge, even if the programs were initially sold as a means to save government expenditures later, and crime rates skyrocketed (no exaggeration). To understand the enormity, you have to understand crime rates were trending downwards for the past 15 or so years, and so were teenage pregnancies, and many positive trends were established prior to the 1960s. Now, fathers are disproportionately more often missing in black communities and single motherhood much more prevalent. It's one of the nice trends that reversed in the 1960s.


    Yeah... I'm sure Republicans have been racist since the 1970s. Though you probably forgot that the racist Democrats of the 1960s were still Democrats in the 1970s and that it's not the Republican views on crime, welfare or regulations which prevailed in the 1960s and 1970s. It's also the case that Republicans have always been complaining about those views, that the proponents of those programs predicted exactly the opposite of what happened and that Republicans predicted exactly what happened. Even if you tried to say it's just a coincidence, it's a big pill to swallow, but to put that on the back of Republicans. No. Democrats did this -- racist Democrats, must I add.

    I don't think the war on drug was fine. It probably was stupid and still is stupid, but I don't hold the silly view that because a law has a disproportionate impact on black people that it's racist.

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    Re: Why shouldn't capitalism be better regulated?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheEconomist View Post
    Republicans have been singing to roughly the same tune for over 150 years. Protect individual liberties, promote individual responsibility, enforce laws and punish criminals.

    If you read speeches by Lincoln, they sound like Republicans today. The same sorts of ideas were used to abolish slavery, fight segregation laws and pass civil rights laws. All of this was done with people who believed in small governments and free markets and the opposition on the other side always believed using governmental powers to enforce their vision. Democrats earned the black vote in the 1930s by buying up the support of the very people they despised the most with the New Deal. A majority of Democrats voted against civil rights in the 1960s and, save for one Democrat, all those racists died as blue and as bigotted as they were in the heyday of the rampant racism they instituted. Once Democrats figured out they could bundle up voters in minorities by convincing them of their victimhood and pledging to pour taxpayer money in their pockets, they started to look like what they look like today.

    Do you know the irony? Courts started to expand the ability of criminals to evade punishment in the 1950s through the 1970s and the Johnson administration launched the federal government on a path to massively expand welfare programs. Expenditures exploded in a matter of 5 years. It sounds like what people have in mind when they think about helping out the poor and fighting crime in black neighborhoods today... The poverty rate did not budge, even if the programs were initially sold as a means to save government expenditures later, and crime rates skyrocketed (no exaggeration). To understand the enormity, you have to understand crime rates were trending downwards for the past 15 or so years, and so were teenage pregnancies, and many positive trends were established prior to the 1960s. Now, fathers are disproportionately more often missing in black communities and single motherhood much more prevalent. It's one of the nice trends that reversed in the 1960s.


    Yeah... I'm sure Republicans have been racist since the 1970s. Though you probably forgot that the racist Democrats of the 1960s were still Democrats in the 1970s and that it's not the Republican views on crime, welfare or regulations which prevailed in the 1960s and 1970s. It's also the case that Republicans have always been complaining about those views, that the proponents of those programs predicted exactly the opposite of what happened and that Republicans predicted exactly what happened. Even if you tried to say it's just a coincidence, it's a big pill to swallow, but to put that on the back of Republicans. No. Democrats did this -- racist Democrats, must I add.

    I don't think the war on drug was fine. It probably was stupid and still is stupid, but I don't hold the silly view that because a law has a disproportionate impact on black people that it's racist.
    There was nothing silly about creating laws that targeted black drug users and ignored white drug users. In the 80s when this stuff was passed, every single frat house in the country was filled with coke, pot, LSD and who knows what else. Ever hear of a SWAT team invading a frat house at Kansas U? No. Those laws were racist in origin, end of story.
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