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    Re: Why shouldn't capitalism be better regulated?

    The maliced filled statement "Greed is Good" in the 1980's set off another round of madness... from the Junk Bond game... to the run away madness of Mergers and Acquisition.... wrapped in "debt" with a inherent design that would certainly see one company destroyed and the remaining company loaded with debt, while the "spin of the stock game" fleeced the system with exaggerated valuation. Then comes the repeat of the Paper Shuffle Games that took down the nation in 1929!

    People forgot or never learned that Industry has responsibility not only to the community, but to the people who make up the community, as well as to the stability of the nation.

    Currency is a "Federal Reserved Note"... when its parked off shore, and spun into investment in foreign countries, it become used in a format that is treasonous against the system of american industry and the American Economic Principles that sustain the American system of Business and Industry. Money circulating is what is the basis of currency design, to make fair trade with a % of profit... When profit become more important than doing good stable and functional business that is beneficial to the whole of the system and society... Then "capitalism" becomes abused, for the sake of "individualized" and "corporate structured greed".

    That process "bastardizes the system of capitalism".
    Today, "fictional advertisement" blinds people and send them into a material and monetary self measure pursuit, and the game of promoting "debt" based programs that is focused only on enriching the lender... followed by the "game of spin the sale of the debt", until its pushed into the cycle of "derivitatives"... fractionalized to create even more paper spin.... while extending more lending to create more debtors...
    This is widespread and increased by the promotions that "material excess" is the measure of success... until people bury themselves in debt... chasing the fictional imagery of success... until.... even the simplicity of "love relations" is now measured on money and ability to engage in material excess madness. Love is now far too often measured by the cost of the gift, or the expense of a date... to the point that relationships are built upon the "bartering cycle of the "trade up" game"...

    Kids left in the void, by the chase of external imagery and the delusions that material excess and fictional caricaturist of provocative lusting and lure... deludes people to think... the "fantasy of endless lust" will give them something they have not tried to find within the soul of themselves.

    The chase of the 10 minute sex act... is so often misconstrued to be considered the basis of love, followed by the flaunting of "bling", excesses, and even now the measures of who can ink up the body, attach fake hair, and inject silicone bags into the body... while strutting around "advertising the shape of the butt".. and/or the act of being as near naked as one can get.
    the mis-concept of what "dignity is"... is bought and sold by the "lure to barter"... sadly its the game of the "bad boy and the slut", "the slut and the bad boy", to the delusions of "the temptress and the tempted".... and time finds, that the "fictional smile" is only tied to the concepts of material based self measure, and the flaunting of money as the lure, until the mix of such, bring people to accept anything... without a concern for character, dignity, integrity and absolutely no concept of anything beyond and expectation of devotion, for a "Price".

    Capitalism is a good system... it is the minds of the human beings.. that make it into a cycle of vile promotions and promoting vile. Result... It damages the principles of Capitalism and the Economic of a Nations and promotes the destitution of the people. That destitution... starts within the individual and is promoted by the society expectations to measure persons based on money and materialism, due to the lack of self to value self without monetary measure. Which drives one to fleece another and anyone... for the pursuits of "money" !!!!
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    Re: Why shouldn't capitalism be better regulated?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    And where does Joe CEO "get compensated" from? Certainly not the government. If it's a public company, the shareholders aren't likely to be very happy with Joe dipping into the company resources.

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    Well first.. if Joe is already in line for a 3 million dollar bonus as you suggested.. that's coming from the board of directors if its a public company. They are doing it to retain joe. IF, there is no benefit for joe for that 3 million.. then they are going to compensate him in other ways.

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    wever, for simplicity, let's just assume in this hypothetical that there's some kind of "perquisite tax" that Joe would have to pay from using the company car, jet, etc., so that he'd have no financial incentive to do things like thi
    Sure. but that's a hypothetical that hasn't happen nor is it likely to happen. There is a reason that over the history since the income tax.. for much of that time.. the taxation rate as a country.. our effective tax rate if you will.. is about 18% of GDP. So when marginal rates were really high.. top rates were 90%... we were still bringing in about the same percentage of money into the government.

    It's very silly to classify investment decisions in such a stark, binary way: i.e., either it will definitely make money or it definitely won't. There will always be plenty of possibilities on the borderline that could be considered. After all, companies that invest heavily in R&D lose quite a bit of money there, at least in the short term.
    That's EXACTLY how you have to be in business. Companies invest heavily in R and D.. only do so BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT WILL MAKE THEM MONEY.


    What they are not doing is putting money into the company that's wasted or going to increase costs above what they should be.. . like increasing wages above market value.. Especially when this could bite them in the butt the next year.

    More than the market? I agree, that doesn't usually make sense - unless the company has some "star"employees here and there that are so talented and knowledgeable that they truly add more value than almost any of their counterparts would.
    If they are truly more valuable then they are getting market based wages.

    It's all those Joes out their who try to get away with paying significantly LESS than market rates that need to be, um, corrected.

    Well.. the only way to really do that is through immigration, legal or illegal.. Or by having a monopoly.
    So we should put you down as supporting putting GPS trackers in everyone to "save lives"?
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    Re: Why shouldn't capitalism be better regulated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post

    So this thread is an effort to explore suggestions and ideas on how to properly regulate capitalism to do just that.
    Best not to regulate it since once you open the door to regulations you get socialists like Sanders and the other libcommie candidates.

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    Re: Why shouldn't capitalism be better regulated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    how to properly regulate capitalism to do just that.
    of course regulation would be by a stupid and/or corrupt govt monopoly which is far worse than capitalism which naturally operates to control and destroy monopolies. The problem of mankind as seen by our genius founders is to regulate govt monopoly not to regulate freedom and capitalism.

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    Re: Why shouldn't capitalism be better regulated?

    There was/is a reason why people reveled over "Bonnie and Clyde", gave a massive parade for John Gotti, and hailed Al Capone as some form of Icon, and people like Bernie Madoff could do what he did, and why People hold a blind eye to the history of Trump...

    It just might be the mindset of some to: "worship and embraces wishes of whim to want to have the money themselves, regardless of how its obtained"... this is the kind of mentality that accept and even make hero's in their mind of these types of people, who pursue money with regard for little else other than getting "money". Some, maybe even "many"... are fascinated by those who engage the risk taking by malice, mayhem, madness and even savagery, regardless of what is damaged in the processes within the pursuit for money.

    We know that is true, by the history of "Systems of Slavery" and the vile that was done to support and promote it, in the aims of getting "money"... it mattered not what acts were engaged by those who backed it for and within their lusting for money... by savage brutality, by the acts of Robbers, Murderers, Embezzlers and every kind of criminal act, and any act of inhumanity that one can imagine has been engaged for the pursuit of "money"....

    For The Love of Money |

    Those with the amassed wealth would see the world destroyed before they'd give up their thirst for more money..... thus so... they'd fight any kind of regulation of "money".... but... "technology" is advancing where "currency will become (more) traceable"...

    If people take note of the concept of "block chain"... at some point... it may become a format used for regulatory management of Capitalistic Greed.

    More people use "direct deposit", "debit cards", "credit cards" and other non cash in hand means of exchange.
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    Re: Why shouldn't capitalism be better regulated?

    Man is becoming more aware, that if he does not find means to invoke regulation within the arena of capitalism, the uncontrolled element of greed, will destroy the principles that Capitalism was founded to promote.

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    Re: Why shouldn't capitalism be better regulated?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    details, we need details

    regulate HOW

    by WHOM

    controlled by WHAT

    i own a business....ie i am a capitalist at heart....government going to tell me how to run my business? what to pay my vendors? my employees? how much to charge my customers?

    if so, then i am no longer a businessman....just another in a long line of government managers....been there, done that...and already have my tee shirt

    thanks but no thanks

    i dont mind following a few rules as far as safety....and getting licenses....and dealing with the county on zoning bull****

    you can keep the rest of the crap
    These are the rules: you can make money, sometimes a lot of it, but you have obligations to what makes that possible or things you can harm: workers, the enviornment, neighbors who donít want a factory next door, etc. And you certainly can lobby to make things easier for yourself.

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    Re: Why shouldn't capitalism be better regulated?

    Quote Originally Posted by RealityNow View Post
    Man is becoming more aware, that if he does not find means to invoke regulation within the arena of capitalism, the uncontrolled element of greed, will destroy the principles that Capitalism was founded to promote.
    I'd argue it already has destroyed the principals of capitalism and what is was founded for.
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    Re: Why shouldn't capitalism be better regulated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    It's more than just about monopolies. The free market was demanding ever increasing exploitation of child labor, until the creation of child labor laws. These kids were working 80 hour weeks, with dangerous equipment and chemicals, with no liability from their employers. They were not getting even a basic education.

    And they still weren't making enough to eat properly.

    Don't get me wrong. The free market is a great thing. It's a very powerful tool, like a bulldozer or a chainsaw. But every powerful tool needs very careful safeguards and safety features.
    Child Labor was ended by pressure from people who today would be called "The Religious Right" Henry Ford created the 40 hour work week and he hated the Left.

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    Re: Why shouldn't capitalism be better regulated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Casca XV View Post
    Child Labor was ended by pressure from people who today would be called "The Religious Right" Henry Ford created the 40 hour work week and he hated the Left.
    Henry Ford also promised all his workers at least $5 a day and was called a communist for it. He understood what few here do that if workers have more money they will spend it on your products. This was the basis for the postwar boom created by the rise of our great middle class. The problem was that corporations and CEO's were not satisfied with an economy that lifts all boats equally... after all they were the "job creators" and Reagan told them they deserved more. They took him to heart when he cut their tax rates in half. Then the great wealth transfer began. We went from one wage earner who could comfortably support a family to 2 who struggle paycheck to paycheck. From CEo's that made 20-25 times their workers to today when they make 250-300 times.
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