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Whose Call Is It?

SouthernDemocrat said:
You have constructed an alternate reality for yourself and just like with most self-delusions, you are now angry and accusing others of lying when you are challenged on it. The fact is, we have stay at home orders across the country, but they aren't really being challenged in the courts.

In the landmark compulsory vaccination case, Jacobson v. Mass 1905, SCOTUS held that individual freedom must be subordinated to the common welfare and is subject to the police power of the state in matters concerning public health. SCOTUS rejected the arguments that you are using in that case. In fact, the only significant court challenge to the 2020 stay at home orders was in Texas where the Fifth Circuit of the Court of Appeals upheld a Texas regulation halting abortions during the state's stay at home order, and cited that 1905 decision as presidence.
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First, I want to say that you at least provided one court case. It was like trying to pull teeth but at least you eventually presented a case.

It is not the right case, because nobody is arguing that the States can't quarantine anyone. My argument has always been that there can be no quarantine without due process of law. No court has ever given their approval for the federal government, or any State, to completely disregard the Bill of Rights in the event of an emergency. Like I said, if the State or the federal government wants to quarantine anyone, or restrict their liberty, they must present their case and provide evidence in a court of law first for every individual they wish to restrict or confine. It is called "procedural due process" and it not something politicians can ignore whenever they feel like it.
 
Glitch said:
First, I want to say that you at least provided one court case. It was like trying to pull teeth but at least you eventually presented a case.

It is not the right case, because nobody is arguing that the States can't quarantine anyone. My argument has always been that there can be no quarantine without due process of law. No court has ever given their approval for the federal government, or any State, to completely disregard the Bill of Rights in the event of an emergency. Like I said, if the State or the federal government wants to quarantine anyone, or restrict their liberty, they must present their case and provide evidence in a court of law first for every individual they wish to restrict or confine. It is called "procedural due process" and it not something politicians can ignore whenever they feel like it.
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Yet they are doing just that, and no one is challenging it successfully in the courts, so it looks like you are wrong on that one.
 
Drawdown said:
Then New York already owes us a **** ton of money for the damage their residents have caused to the nation.
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What damage is that you are referring to?
 
My impression is many are waiting for the call from their employer, who is typically going to be guided by state and local law. They aren't going to open themselves to any liability over this.

And whatever experts who are guiding the state/locals governments must be the ones to tell the state\local governments, since they were the ones who guide them in the first place.

And of course you and your family are ultimately in charge of whether to go outside and socialize or not, pandemic or no.

So we're all empowered over our parts in the chain.

While I haven't followed the protests closely, I also haven't heard of any mass arrests over bucking the stay home orders.

Comes across to me like the usual reactionaries just stirring the pot over principles that aren't being threatened.
 
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