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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The problem is not political parties. Rather there are two massively worsening problems:

    1. Uneducated voters. I do not mean they are stupid or lack college degrees. Schools stopped teaching civics classes when compulsory testing became required - and those tests do not test on knowledge of government, principals of our government and society, etc. As a result, a commonality of society is lost - with voters have no clue of history, the Constitution, the Bill Of Rights or any other knowledge basis for voting. Rather, just emotionalism of the moment marketed to them by corporate propaganda.
    And the solution is to make laws that educate children to understand how the system works like you, and all of your cool-aid drinkers, think it should work; and explain away the reason why there are instituted perspectives on the constitution and laws is misdeed that needs to be amended after 200 years.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    2. Lose of a free and independent press - which includes the MSM and Internet. ALL major news outlets, press outlets and Internet info outlets are owned by 8 mega corporations of international interests. This was a result of the Internet financially ruining newspapers and media outlets. Corporations inherently pursue their own economic interests as their priority. The priority is always MONEY - more money for their corporations. What is best for people or the country are not corporate concerns. Only getting more money is the corporate interests.

    Anti-Trust laws should have included prohibiting non-media companies from owning media/press outlets.
    Pretty impressive. What would be the allowable combinations of any conglomeration?
    The founders only had one simple formula for organizing government, and a relatively limited supply of paper, ink, endurance; and basically, parameters of simple designs that would engage the few literate citizens of 1787. We need to have a constitutional convention that gathers the diversity of people and technology that the founders could not gather.

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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The problem is what is the alternative?
    The alternative is to reorder the government chartering system to correct the separation of responsibilities and powers; thereby preventing the creation of the plural political parties.

    The problem is the same parties are in both houses, because the responsibilities are not distributed properly. If the Senate and House had more specific different responsibilities, and complimented by two more legislatures with specific responsibilities, all different; the factions will be specific to those legislatures, and not able to change principles, like the Democrat party is often noted.
    The founders only had one simple formula for organizing government, and a relatively limited supply of paper, ink, endurance; and basically, parameters of simple designs that would engage the few literate citizens of 1787. We need to have a constitutional convention that gathers the diversity of people and technology that the founders could not gather.

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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Lunaphiles View Post
    What's the problem with political parties???
    Its we the people not we the political parties. Political parties are the conduit of corruption.

    Are they causing the members to be dishonest, or something???
    You seriously cannot figure it out, even with todays political climate in DC?
    "There is nothing I dread So much, as a Division of the Republick into two great Parties, each arranged under its Leader, and concerting Measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble Apprehension is to be dreaded as the greatest political Evil, under our Constitution." - John Adams

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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Lunaphiles View Post
    The alternative is to reorder the government chartering system to correct the separation of responsibilities and powers; thereby preventing the creation of the plural political parties.

    The problem is the same parties are in both houses, because the responsibilities are not distributed properly. If the Senate and House had more specific different responsibilities, and complimented by two more legislatures with specific responsibilities, all different; the factions will be specific to those legislatures, and not able to change principles, like the Democrat party is often noted.
    Better yet, why dont you just move to a country with a parliament and be done with it?
    "There is nothing I dread So much, as a Division of the Republick into two great Parties, each arranged under its Leader, and concerting Measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble Apprehension is to be dreaded as the greatest political Evil, under our Constitution." - John Adams

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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Its we the people not we the political parties. Political parties are the conduit of corruption.

    You seriously cannot figure it out, even with todays political climate in DC?
    That is entirely your opinion. Most people have a tendency to associate with those that have similar interests, or a particular political ideology. You may consider it "corruption," but everyone else considers it the "freedom of association."

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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    That is entirely your opinion. Most people have a tendency to associate with those that have similar interests, or a particular political ideology. You may consider it "corruption," but everyone else considers it the "freedom of association."
    My opinion and George Washington's. And many other like minded Americans. And I do not assert that political parties should be banned outright from existing; instead just ban them from the government. It isnt like the framers of the US Constitution intended that there should be political parties in our government. And amazingly enough political parties are not in the Constitution. Like I said its we the people; not factions.
    "There is nothing I dread So much, as a Division of the Republick into two great Parties, each arranged under its Leader, and concerting Measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble Apprehension is to be dreaded as the greatest political Evil, under our Constitution." - John Adams

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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    My opinion and George Washington's. And many other like minded Americans. And I do not assert that political parties should be banned outright from existing; instead just ban them from the government. It isnt like the framers of the US Constitution intended that there should be political parties in our government. And amazingly enough political parties are not in the Constitution. Like I said its we the people; not factions.
    George Washington was a Federalist. As was John Adams. The very first thing that happened after the ratification of the US Constitution was the creation of the Federalist and Anti-Federalist political parties. Thomas Jefferson was an Anti-Federalist who created his own political party, the Democratic-Republicans. The Democratic-Republican Party would dominate US politics for the next 28 years. It was those very founding fathers you speak of that created the very first political parties in the US. So your assertion is complete nonsense.

    How can you protect an individual right for the people, and yet deny it to those who serve in government? Either it is an individual right, or it isn't. It doesn't change based upon your job.

    Political parties don't need to be specifically mentioned within the US Constitution, the freedom of association is not only mentioned but also protected by the US Constitution, and that is enough. Even within political parties, after every new Session of Congress begins new coalitions are formed. We the people are factions.
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