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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'd rather see parties banned, which would be incredibly difficult to do.
    Not only difficult, but also unconstitutional. The First Amendment protects our right to freely associate with whomever we please.

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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueScotsman View Post
    The American system is not a parliamentary system in which a coalition is formed to create a government, by having an agreement from a majority of the parties elected. The American system bakes the coalition's into a single party, and when there is a faction that breaks off, it weakens their chances of defeating the other party.

    America cannot have parties that demand ideological purity, this is why Libertarians and the DSA will likely never attain a higher status. It is also why so much of the Democratic establishment is so reviled by many on the Left, because historically (not now) people have wanted not just compromise within the factions of the Left, but also compromise across the aisles.

    It doesn't make sense that we just set ourselves utterly and forever against the Republicans. I think the Democrats need to run on a very wide base so that the country can move forward and not in a way which is as polarized as we are potentially headed. What good is getting all the progressive policies you want, if the country fractures or it gets voted out by another Republican backlash? I think if you want meaningful progress, you aren't going to find that in one ideology, it will have to emerge from a restoration of sane politics of people working together with the same facts.

    I'm presently cynical that we will achieve these ideals, and expect much more polarization, conspiracy and violence to come. Which means in this polarized atmosphere I pick anyone who wins the Democratic Primary. Any other party emerging unless it was Right Wing, would help Trump. If Progressives break off from Center-Left Democrats then Trump will win the election.
    The US doesn't need to be a parliamentary system in order to have different coalitions. That is why third parties exist in the US. If one or both of the two major parties are not addressing issues that a large segment of society wants addressed, then a third party will pop into existence in order to specifically address those issues. They never get enough votes to be a serious threat to either of the two political parties, but depending on the popularity of the issue, they do steal votes from those major parties.

    The Democratic Party popped into existence after Andrew Jackson did not become President in 1824, despite winning both the popular and Electoral College votes. At the time Jackson founded the Democratic Party there were Federalists and Democratic-Republicans (a.k.a. "The Party of Jefferson"). The overwhelming majority of the federalists joined Jackson's party and became Democrats, while the remainder became Whigs and would later become Republicans by 1856. They originally called themselves "Whigs" in mockery of Jackson's "Kingly" style of rule, because they felt he ran the US government as his monarchy.

    So that polarization between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party has existed since the inception of the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party was never created based upon a difference of ideas or ideology. It was created out of sheer spite, and it continues exists in that context to this day. That deep seated hatred for the US ultimately culminated in the 1861 Civil War, started by Democrats.

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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredUSN View Post
    The majority of the media is too invested in being Democrat or Republican " lap dogs " for a viable 3rd party to win a presidential election.

    Isn't a shame that the one industry in America that so heavily relies on the 1st Amendment is the one to abuse it to no end with lies & intentional omission of facts?

    People around the country aught to be shaming the media at every opportunity instead of going logger heads with each other. The same goes for every blogger if they are caught lying.
    The purpose of third parties is not to win elections. The purpose of third parties is to address issues and take away votes from one or both of the two major parties for not addressing those issues. If one or both of the two major parties begins addressing the issues being raised by the third party, then the third party's reason for being ceases and they disappear.

    When Ross Perot created the Reform Party in 1992 he had absolutely no hope of being elected President. He received zero Electoral College votes. However, Perot did receive 19% of the popular vote. That was enough to give Republicans a way of capturing the issues being raised by Perot and adopt them into the mid-term election. Which resulted in the Republicans taking control of Congress for the first time in 40 years in 1994. By the 1996 General Election the Republican Party had so well adopted the issues raised by the Reform Party that the Reform Party only got 8% of the popular vote. After the 2000 General Election the Reform Party would effectively cease to be because all of their issues were adopted by the GOP. The Reform Party served its purpose and was successful, despite never receiving a single Electoral College vote in all three General Elections they fielded a candidate.

    Also, the only reason our constitutional protection of the free speech exists is to protect the speech with which we disagree. If we agreed with what was said then no protection would be necessary.

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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'd rather see parties banned, which would be incredibly difficult to do.
    In every democracy political parties have evolved, starting out as groups coming together to pursue common goals. Nothing wrong with this and there is reason to believe that democracy cannot function without them.

    Oh and 'banning' things is seldom a good idea. Certainly no parties if one favours freedom of assembly.

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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    Not only difficult, but also unconstitutional. The First Amendment protects our right to freely associate with whomever we please.
    Quote Originally Posted by Helix
    i'd rather see parties banned, which would be incredibly difficult to do.
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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
    In every democracy political parties have evolved, starting out as groups coming together to pursue common goals. Nothing wrong with this and there is reason to believe that democracy cannot function without them.

    Oh and 'banning' things is seldom a good idea. Certainly no parties if one favours freedom of assembly.
    Washington warned us. we should have listened, IMO.

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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
    In every democracy political parties have evolved, starting out as groups coming together to pursue common goals. Nothing wrong with this and there is reason to believe that democracy cannot function without them.

    Oh and 'banning' things is seldom a good idea. Certainly no parties if one favours freedom of assembly.
    Washington warned us. we should have listened, IMO.

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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by One1 View Post
    Would anyone think creating a new political party to be a good idea, in today's society? Why or why not
    If President Trump ran it then it would be a marvelous idea.

    MAGA.

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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    Yes, a Moderate Party for everyone sick and tired of the Big 2. Start at the grass roots and it will catch in like wild fire.
    Ask 10 people to state the "moderate" position on the top 20 issues, listing them in priority order - and you will get at least 9 if not 10 different lists.

    What is the "moderate" position? The status quo? Anti-status quo? Do the rules on social security remain the same or change to be "moderate?"

    "Moderate" is just a word. There is no actual meaning in politics whatsoever.

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    Re: Political Party

    Quote Originally Posted by One1 View Post
    Would anyone think creating a new political party to be a good idea, in today's society? Why or why not
    I think it's a good idea. We had the chance with Perot. Turned out he was nuts.

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