America Is Not A Democracy

jet57 said:

Brown vs The Board of Education was a violation of the 14th Amendment and the powers of our democracy saw to it that segregation was overturned.

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That is highly convoluted or you are very confused on this issue.

America Is Not A Democracy

Of course it isn't a democracy. The US is and has always been a kleptocracy. "All men are created equal" was just one of the many bull**** lines fed to Americans by the founding terrorists to fool you into thinking you were something special.

And you are "special"! What kind of a country is at war for 93% of its total years as a "country". A gangster country, that is what kind of "country" does this and then brags, brags, brags, ... about how kind, generous and warm it is.

The history of the USA is pure piffle, fed into every child's poor brain from a tender age. It is truly surprising that some actually escape this degree of brainwashing.

Harshaw said:

"Radio silence" at 1 in the morning? It's actually called "sleep."

I sincerely do appreciate your taking the time to answer the question in detail, which you did when pretty much no one else ever does.

I just wish it was something actually to debate rather than a well-developed, though no less wild-eyed, conspiracy theory, especially peppered with weird ideas about how a theocracy should appeal to a patriot (and all the other insane assumptions about me).

Seriously, all of this belongs in the CT section.

There is no impending theocracy. We are not on "the cusp" of one. The Handmaid's Tail is just a poorly-written novel.

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Yeah that's pretty much what I figured you would say, which means you either do not know what Dominionists talk about in their own circles AND OUT LOUD when amongst their outside supporters, or it means you're in denial.
And I doubt you've ever even read The Handmaid's Tale.

And, considering that in the final hours of this year's Conservative Political Action Conference, conservative columnist Mona Charen had to be escorted out by ARMED guards because of remarks she made about conservatives supporting politicians despite sexual misconduct allegations against them, it's interesting that you believe that, despite all the boxes being ticked in support of an authoritarian theocracy, you still believe it's not even possible.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nservatives-supporting-trump-moore/370304002/
Your weak and lame attempt to brand it as conspiracy theory is really a muted cry of "It can't happen here."

If you really do believe that democracy must survive and flourish, that means that you believe that all (reasonable) sides of the political spectrum, which would include liberalism, must also survive and flourish.
That's in stark contrast to the red meat thrown out during this year's CPAC, my friend.

And what an amazing guest roster they had! Nigel Farage, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, (former) Sheriff David Clarke, and Ted Cruz, and that's the B-list, because I am sure you already know who the A-listers were!

Clarke is one of the most "special" gems in this year's cast of characters.

Clarke is calling for "suspension of habeus corpus" so that a president can just arbitrarily order mass arrests. My my, that's a brilliant piece of skullduggery for someone who is officially running as a "Democrat". I wonder if that's "democrat" the way Kim Jong Un's DPRK is the "Democratic Republic of Korea".


Here's What the Pins That Sheriff Clarke Wears Actually Mean
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-pins-that-sheriff-clarke-wears-actually-mean

Well, I've wasted enough time...I said before that I already knew you'd dimiss it out of hand.
Whether you're in denial or just uninformed about the religious views of Dominionists, what does it really matter?

But your attempt to dismiss my points as conspiracy theory isn't backed up by the facts on the ground where Dominionists are concerned. I am not saying that I am convinced that they will succeed, it is entirely possible that they will fail in a spectacular manner, but of course that depends on what October brings, which is usually an "October surprise" in an election year.
Anyone dreaming of a manufactured attack and a war?

I bet your hero sure could use one to drum up support!

Trump says it will be hard to unify country without a ‘major event’
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...e-hard-to-unify-country-without-a-major-event



And what is it Dominionists dream about at night before they go to sleep?
ARMAGEDDON, of course.

camlok said:

That is highly convoluted or you are very confused on this issue.

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Uh, no it is not: I'm well informed on the issue. Read some more and catch up.

jet57 said:

Uh, no it is not: I'm well informed on the issue. Read some more and catch up.

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jet57 had written: Brown vs The Board of Education was a violation of the 14th Amendment and the powers of our democracy saw to it that segregation was overturned.

Brown vs The Board of Education was a USSC decision rendered in 1954. I didn't know USSC decisions could be violations of any law, amendment or constitutional provision. You ought to have just agreed to settle on convoluted/poor diction.

camlok said:

jet57 had written: Brown vs The Board of Education was a violation of the 14th Amendment and the powers of our democracy saw to it that segregation was overturned.

Brown vs The Board of Education was a USSC decision rendered in 1954. I didn't know USSC decisions could be violations of any law, amendment or constitutional provision. You ought to have just agreed to settle on convoluted/poor diction.

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Brown vs the Board of Education allowed school segregation under a racist social structure. It was defeated by the Supreme Court.

XIV, sec 1 read it.

jet57 said:

Brown vs the Board of Education allowed school segregation under a racist social structure. It was defeated by the Supreme Court.

XIV, sec 1 read it.

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You really ought to have simply allowed that your presentation was, shall we say, wanting. I have underlined the pertinent part for you, below.

Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, 347 U.S. 483 (1954), was a landmark United States Supreme Court case in which the Court declared state laws establishing separate public schools for black and white students to be unconstitutional.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education

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Maybe if you hurry, you can still claim "poor diction".

Checkerboard Strangler said:

Yeah that's pretty much what I figured you would say, which means you either do not know what Dominionists talk about in their own circles AND OUT LOUD when amongst their outside supporters, or it means you're in denial.
And I doubt you've ever even read The Handmaid's Tale.

And, considering that in the final hours of this year's Conservative Political Action Conference, conservative columnist Mona Charen had to be escorted out by ARMED guards because of remarks she made about conservatives supporting politicians despite sexual misconduct allegations against them, it's interesting that you believe that, despite all the boxes being ticked in support of an authoritarian theocracy, you still believe it's not even possible.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nservatives-supporting-trump-moore/370304002/
Your weak and lame attempt to brand it as conspiracy theory is really a muted cry of "It can't happen here."

If you really do believe that democracy must survive and flourish, that means that you believe that all (reasonable) sides of the political spectrum, which would include liberalism, must also survive and flourish.
That's in stark contrast to the red meat thrown out during this year's CPAC, my friend.

And what an amazing guest roster they had! Nigel Farage, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, (former) Sheriff David Clarke, and Ted Cruz, and that's the B-list, because I am sure you already know who the A-listers were!

Clarke is one of the most "special" gems in this year's cast of characters.

Clarke is calling for "suspension of habeus corpus" so that a president can just arbitrarily order mass arrests. My my, that's a brilliant piece of skullduggery for someone who is officially running as a "Democrat". I wonder if that's "democrat" the way Kim Jong Un's DPRK is the "Democratic Republic of Korea".

Here's What the Pins That Sheriff Clarke Wears Actually Mean
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-pins-that-sheriff-clarke-wears-actually-mean

Well, I've wasted enough time...I said before that I already knew you'd dimiss it out of hand.
Whether you're in denial or just uninformed about the religious views of Dominionists, what does it really matter?

But your attempt to dismiss my points as conspiracy theory isn't backed up by the facts on the ground where Dominionists are concerned. I am not saying that I am convinced that they will succeed, it is entirely possible that they will fail in a spectacular manner, but of course that depends on what October brings, which is usually an "October surprise" in an election year.
Anyone dreaming of a manufactured attack and a war?

I bet your hero sure could use one to drum up support!

Trump says it will be hard to unify country without a ‘major event’
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...e-hard-to-unify-country-without-a-major-event

And what is it Dominionists dream about at night before they go to sleep?
ARMAGEDDON, of course.

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so.... what is the dominionists worst case scenario for them?

if society manages to survive trump and pence never becomes president, is that the bad end for them?

Unitedwestand13 said:

so.... what is the dominionists worst case scenario for them?

if society manages to survive trump and pence never becomes president, is that the bad end for them?

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Who could answer that question, certainly not me.
All I know is, their best case scenario is the one they always dream about, Armageddon.
They openly say that they are tasked by God to help bring about Armadeddon, and to enlist "God's Bankers", and they wax almost poetic about the "great transfer of wealth from the wicked to the righteous".

I'd say that they are pretty far along in that last one, nudge nudge, wink wink, they just got $1.5 trillion dollars.

So tell me, exactly HOW MANY of you out there ARE mumbling, "It Can't Happen Here"??

Checkerboard Strangler said:

Who could answer that question, certainly not me.
All I know is, their best case scenario is the one they always dream about, Armageddon.
They openly say that they are tasked by God to help bring about Armadeddon, and to enlist "God's Bankers", and they wax almost poetic about the "great transfer of wealth from the wicked to the righteous".

I'd say that they are pretty far along in that last one, nudge nudge, wink wink, they just got $1.5 trillion dollars.

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if the dominionists god is anything like Yaldobalth, the gnostic faiths's god of control, then i am going to be on the side of his Rebelling brother, Satanael.

Old Trapper said:

America Is Not A Democracy

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In 6th Grade Civics class, you should have been taught that America is a constitutional federal republic.

Old Trapper said:

We have become a country ruled by elitist politicians who are ruled by the lobbiests, and corporate magnets, who are in turn ruled by the elitist 1%.

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That's a choice the people have made.

If and when the people tire of it, they'll vote differently.

Unitedwestand13 said:

if the dominionists god is anything like Yaldobalth, the gnostic faiths's god of control, then i am going to be on the side of his Rebelling brother, Satanael.

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No, the Dominionist god is like Republican Jesus.
It's exactly as they preach in their sermons.

Checkerboard Strangler said:

No, the Dominionist god is like Republican Jesus.
It's exactly as they preach in their sermons.

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well i refuse to bow to any god that believes the poor are inherently wicked.

Mircea said:

In 6th Grade Civics class, you should have been taught that America is a constitutional federal republic.

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Classic faux-pas, or shall we just say revisionism and be frank about it.
The government type is as you said, and clearly stated, however it is a democratically elected constitutional (federal) republic.
There are other types of constitutional republics, some types of which are not necessarily democratically elected.

So endeth the lesson.

camlok said:

You really ought to have simply allowed that your presentation was, shall we say, wanting. I have underlined the pertinent part for you, below.



Maybe if you hurry, you can still claim "poor diction".

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Well, people who are up on B vs B of E would know what I was referring to...

jet57 said:

Well, people who are up on B vs B of E would know what I was referring to...

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It is much better to simply admit you made a mistake than to keep on compounding your mistake. But hey, it's supposed to be a free country so have at 'er.

camlok said:

It is much better to simply admit you made a mistake than to keep on compounding your mistake. But hey, it's supposed to be a free country so have at 'er.

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What mistake? I was absolutely right. You didn't know what the case originally set into motion.

Checkerboard Strangler said:

Classic faux-pas, or shall we just say revisionism and be frank about it.
The government type is as you said, and clearly stated, however it is a democratically elected constitutional (federal) republic.
There are other types of constitutional republics, some types of which are not necessarily democratically elected.

So endeth the lesson.

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Give me a comprehensive description of every other type.

A good analysis by Page and Gilens, and it confirms what many have known for years. The government does not serve the people, it serves special interests. 1% versus 99%, just as Occupy Wall Street noted years ago.

No, elections alone do not guarantee democracy. Elections are an illusion of sorts.

I think what some of you fail to realize is that democracies DO have an "elite" of some sort, because it isn't a perfect form of government. Democracy itself does not automatically grant an egalitarian, utopian society. I stand by Churchill's maxim that "democracy is the worst form of government...except for all of the others which have been tried."

azgreg said:

It never was.

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Not only that - it was never meant to be.

JimHackerMP said:

I think what some of you fail to realize is that democracies DO have an "elite" of some sort, because it isn't a perfect form of government.

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There are elites in every conceivable form of practical government - I would say this is a moot point.

Democracy itself does not automatically grant an egalitarian, utopian society.

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Nor do any of the others. As it is unachievable regardless of political system, why mention the lack of it here?

I stand by Churchill's maxim that "democracy is the worst form of government...except for all of the others which have been tried."

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I am with you here - at least democracies have relatively free choice in representation. Government is necessary for society; the less of it the better with at least some semblance of input from the populace.

I mention the lack of it, because people seem to think that democracy "ought" to make a totally fair society, and that's B.S.

JimHackerMP said:

I mention the lack of it, because people seem to think that democracy "ought" to make a totally fair society, and that's B.S.

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Democracy does make a totally fair society, as long as your in the Majority because the Minority doesn't count.