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    Re: Fair voting, election guidelines and separation of powers

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The problem is with gerrymandering is neither party wants to get rid of it. Each party relishes the idea of using gerrymandering when they are in power. They write our election laws and as such they could do away with gerrymandering in a heartbeat if they had a mind to. They don't. Their rhetoric may say so, but it is one big lie.

    After the 2010 census the Democrats gerrymandered the heck out of Illinois and New York, Republicans howled how unfair that was and gerrymandering had to end. But the Republicans gerrymandered Texas and North Carolina after the same 2010 census while the democrats ranted and raved at the injustice of the GOP gerrymandering those states. Each major party wants to make it unlawful for the other party to gerrymander while keeping gerrymandering legal for their party.

    State legislatures draw the districts in most states, each state legislature could draw un-gerrymandered districts. They won't, they want to give their political party the best advantage possible. While I also think gerrymandering needs to end, I don't see it ever doing so. Not as long as gerrymandering can give one political party an advantage over the other.
    Well said.

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    Re: Fair voting, election guidelines and separation of powers

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    Not only has our president never been directly elected, neither has most of the civilized world done so, most countries with direct elections are in africa and south america, some of the poorest and most corrupt regions of the world. He makes an argument against the electoral college in favor of the rest of the civilised world, but the rest of the civilised world does not elect their executive at all, they elect their parliament either directly or through electoral college and their parliament votes for the executive, making america on par with the rest of the civilized world, actually better since americans have a say on president even if indirectly, while canada germany england etc have no say on who parliament votes, just on who they vote for parliament.
    That's fluke history, sir!
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    Re: Fair voting, election guidelines and separation of powers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    What rules, what elections?

    Be more clear. I'm not a mind-reader ... !
    The fact there was no problem with our electoral system as long as the democrats were winning elections. It is only when they lose elections that the we need to make changes to out electoral process.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    That bit above is pure historical error. The Monarchs and Popes were all from rich families!.
    George Washington along with most of our founding fathers were from wealthy families. The rich and powerful have been running this country since we became a country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    But just because monarchs (who owned large tracts of land and who could impose taxation on others) were the reason Washington and others fought them. They did not work to obtain their riches. They inherited them for the most part.
    George Washington our first president inherited his wealth and large tracts of land. So did most of our founding fathers and the state leaders. Average men who did not own property, the poor, and women could not even vote. Slave trade was one of the most profitable businesses in the northern colonies make lots of wealthy people even more wealthy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    The very same happened again in the Industrial Revolution, when owners of industries combined to influence presidents and Congress to pass legislation favoring their businesses. You think that didn't happen?
    Of course I knew it happened. The rich and powerful have been running our government since we became a country until today. Nothing has changed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lafayette View Post
    Then see this, and open your eyes! Date: 1889 -
    My great grand parents and their families worked for these rich and powerful. I used to listen to the stories about them when I was a teenager first hand from my great grandmother. Her brother started working in the coal mines when he was 8 and was dead at 12. She never knew her father because he died in the coal mines a few years after she was born. I got to hear it first hand from people who lived through those times. The house I live in today was my great grandfathers on my mom's side and was an old mine home from the 1890's. I own 2 other homes that were mine homes built in 1902. I know a lot from that era. All my ancestors were a part of it.
    “When choosing the lesser of two evils, always remember, it is still an evil.”

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