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    Article 5 Convention Of States

    Why don't people seem to know of Article 5 Convention Of States of the Constitution , 10 states have already joined-----call your senators and representatives to support it-----it was written in by the framers as a last resort for the states when their power is being usurped by a lawless and too far overreach by the federal government.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by zyzygy View Post
    Why don't people seem to know of Article 5 Convention Of States of the Constitution , 10 states have already joined-----call your senators and representatives to support it-----it was written in by the framers as a last resort for the states when their power is being usurped by a lawless and too far overreach by the federal government.
    I disagree with your initial premise.

    The concept of State-level Constitutional Convention is taught in H.S. civics class. It is a required class in my state. I suspect many if not most Americans are aware of it in general terms, though they might not remember the specific details.

    I also suspect many on this board are at least familiar with the process in general terms - it's referenced here often enough.
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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Be careful what you wish for.

    An Article Five convention is an open door to rewriting the entire Constitution, not a method for pushing a single amendment.

    Once empaneled you could have States like California able to convince other large States with similar views amongst their populace to push for changes in free speech, second amendment rights, and religious freedom.

    On the other hand States with a conservative lean might go for "defense of marriage" and other kinds of "protections" which may sound good to extremists...but IMO infringe on individual liberty just as much as Left-wing efforts to curb free speech and self-defense rights.

    As for your comment about why people don't know much about it? I believe the only prior time our nation saw such a convention was at the original Founding when the Bill of Rights was constructed.

    That is typically covered in American History classes in 11th or 12th grade. But while some States and localities require civics classes, many don't, so the only time kids learn of it is briefly in such American History classes.
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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Captain Adverse is right.

    A convention is not limited to a certain topic, it is open ended! Once convened, no one knows where it will go or what may happen!

    The Catholic Church has something similar called an "Ecumenical Council", which occur every century or so. They had one in 1962 and BAM - it totally changed directions from that intended and resulted in a significantly changed Church as it related to the faithful! Something more traditional Catholics were not happy with.

    The same could occur with our country!
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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Be careful what you wish for.

    An Article Five convention is an open door to rewriting the entire Constitution, not a method for pushing a single amendment.

    Once empaneled you could have States like California able to convince other large States with similar views amongst their populace to push for changes in free speech, second amendment rights, and religious freedom.

    On the other hand States with a conservative lean might go for "defense of marriage" and other kinds of "protections" which may sound good to extremists...but IMO infringe on individual liberty just as much as Left-wing efforts to curb free speech and self-defense rights.

    As for your comment about why people don't know much about it? I believe the only prior time our nation saw such a convention was at the original Founding when the Bill of Rights was constructed.

    That is typically covered in American History classes in 11th or 12th grade. But while some States and localities require civics classes, many don't, so the only time kids learn of it is briefly in such American History classes.
    Well, population isn't a factor. Any amendments -- even an amendment to jettison the entire Constitution and substitute a new one -- requires 3/4 of the states, which, for that purpose, are all on equal footing.

    In ANY case, just to point out the electoral deficit that Democrats are in, Republicans VERY NEARLY control enough states to push through any amendment at will. I, personally, find that problematic.
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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Be careful what you wish for.

    An Article Five convention is an open door to rewriting the entire Constitution, not a method for pushing a single amendment.

    Once empaneled you could have States like California able to convince other large States with similar views amongst their populace to push for changes in free speech, second amendment rights, and religious freedom.

    On the other hand States with a conservative lean might go for "defense of marriage" and other kinds of "protections" which may sound good to extremists...but IMO infringe on individual liberty just as much as Left-wing efforts to curb free speech and self-defense rights.

    As for your comment about why people don't know much about it? I believe the only prior time our nation saw such a convention was at the original Founding when the Bill of Rights was constructed.

    That is typically covered in American History classes in 11th or 12th grade. But while some States and localities require civics classes, many don't, so the only time kids learn of it is briefly in such American History classes.
    The runaway convention is not really a valid argument against it. It takes 3 fourths of the states to ratify anything. That is a serious hump to get over. Population doesn't even figure in with the convention. Just the states. If there are changes then there is consensus which is what we want when we change the constitution anyhow. I would prefer that over the stupidity we have going on now.
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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by zyzygy View Post
    Why don't people seem to know of Article 5 Convention Of States of the Constitution , 10 states have already joined-----call your senators and representatives to support it-----it was written in by the framers as a last resort for the states when their power is being usurped by a lawless and too far overreach by the federal government.
    because its a bad idea!

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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Be careful what you wish for.

    An Article Five convention is an open door to rewriting the entire Constitution, not a method for pushing a single amendment.

    Once empaneled you could have States like California able to convince other large States with similar views amongst their populace to push for changes in free speech, second amendment rights, and religious freedom.

    On the other hand States with a conservative lean might go for "defense of marriage" and other kinds of "protections" which may sound good to extremists...but IMO infringe on individual liberty just as much as Left-wing efforts to curb free speech and self-defense rights.

    As for your comment about why people don't know much about it? I believe the only prior time our nation saw such a convention was at the original Founding when the Bill of Rights was constructed.

    That is typically covered in American History classes in 11th or 12th grade. But while some States and localities require civics classes, many don't, so the only time kids learn of it is briefly in such American History classes.
    Exactly. The people that are pushing for this want to use the process to slip changes in that most of the population will regret. Do a little research on who backs this drive and who funds them. Please.
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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by Porkuloss View Post
    Exactly. The people that are pushing for this want to use the process to slip changes in that most of the population will regret. Do a little research on who backs this drive and who funds them. Please.
    Who are they, what do they want, and who funds them?
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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Well, population isn't a factor. Any amendments -- even an amendment to jettison the entire Constitution and substitute a new one -- requires 3/4 of the states, which, for that purpose, are all on equal footing.

    In ANY case, just to point out the electoral deficit that Democrats are in, Republicans VERY NEARLY control enough states to push through any amendment at will. I, personally, find that problematic.
    It is because Republicans now enjoy a large advantage that this would be a good time for an Article V convention of states. Mark Levin has talked quite a lot about this, and in general I like the amendments he has proposed.

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