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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I don't recall the details offhand, but I remember hearing him discuss several proposed amendments on his radio program. He has also written a book about it.
    This is from the wiki on the book:
    The eleven amendments proposed by Levin:[3][4]

    Impose Congressional term limits
    Repeal the Seventeenth Amendment, returning the election of Senators to state legislatures
    Impose term limits for Supreme Court Justices and restrict judicial review
    Require a balanced budget and limit federal spending and taxation
    Define a deadline to file taxes (one day before the next federal election)
    Subject federal departments and bureaucratic regulations to periodic reauthorization and review
    Create a more specific definition of the Commerce Clause
    Limit eminent domain powers
    Allow states to more easily amend the Constitution by bypassing Congress
    Create a process where two-thirds of the states can nullify federal laws
    Require photo ID to vote and limit early voting

    I'm okay on the surface with at least half of them. There are a few I oppose and a few more on which I'd need more specifics.

    I generally find it ironic that such a pumper of the Constitution thinks we need to amend the hell out of it to save it.
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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by Porkuloss View Post
    The Christian right group wants to get rid of that pesky church state thing - see what the former head and founder of Patrick Henry college says about that, always using fluffy terms, but he's been clear.
    He may have been clear, but you have not been. What, specifically, do you mean by "that pesky church state thing?" If you are trying to say something about the Establishment Clause, then make your arguments. I agree with Justice Thomas' view, which he expressed in most detail in his concurring opinion in Elk Grove Unified School District, that the Supreme Court grossly misinterpreted that clause by ever incorporating it in the Fourteenth Amendment and applying it to the states.

    I do not agree with your attempt to characterize a return to the original meaning of the Constitution as "driven by an ideological extreme." It is a standard ruse of statists to claim the current state of affairs, in which the federal government has become a leviathan which operates largely outside constitutional authority, is the norm, and that attempts to restore the original constitutional order are the work of extremists.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by Porkuloss View Post
    Exodus 20:
    “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5“You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
    Right, not The Ten Commandments
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Be careful what you wish for.

    An Article Five convention is an open door to rewriting the entire Constitution, not a method for pushing a single amendment.

    Once empaneled you could have States like California able to convince other large States with similar views amongst their populace to push for changes in free speech, second amendment rights, and religious freedom.

    On the other hand States with a conservative lean might go for "defense of marriage" and other kinds of "protections" which may sound good to extremists...but IMO infringe on individual liberty just as much as Left-wing efforts to curb free speech and self-defense rights.

    As for your comment about why people don't know much about it? I believe the only prior time our nation saw such a convention was at the original Founding when the Bill of Rights was constructed.

    That is typically covered in American History classes in 11th or 12th grade. But while some States and localities require civics classes, many don't, so the only time kids learn of it is briefly in such American History classes.
    This fear of an Article 5 convention is wholly unwarranted. 38 states must agree before anything can be ratified. The Federal government is already out of control, we literally have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.
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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    He may have been clear, but you have not been. What, specifically, do you mean by "that pesky church state thing?" If you are trying to say something about the Establishment Clause, then make your arguments. I agree with Justice Thomas' view, which he expressed in most detail in his concurring opinion in Elk Grove Unified School District, that the Supreme Court grossly misinterpreted that clause by ever incorporating it in the Fourteenth Amendment and applying it to the states.

    I do not agree with your attempt to characterize a return to the original meaning of the Constitution as "driven by an ideological extreme." It is a standard ruse of statists to claim the current state of affairs, in which the federal government has become a leviathan which operates largely outside constitutional authority, is the norm, and that attempts to restore the original constitutional order are the work of extremists.
    Okay, then rather than selectively removing all laws passed by those evil "progressives" (per judgement of those who push for the Article 5 process), let's just return to, oh, say 1800 or so - delete everything that came after and debate what gets put back in. When done, we can adjust to the new baseline.

    I am familiar with Thomas' view on that specific topic and I don't agree with it. Suffice it to say that I agree with the majority ruling and also Scalia's concurring opinion. Thomas went too far in my view.
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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Right, not The Ten Commandments
    The Bible has multiple versions of the 10 commandments. Is that version, supposedly out of the mouth of God, less valid than another?
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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by zyzygy View Post
    Why don't people seem to know of Article 5 Convention Of States of the Constitution , 10 states have already joined-----call your senators and representatives to support it-----it was written in by the framers as a last resort for the states when their power is being usurped by a lawless and too far overreach by the federal government.
    I've been wondering about that for about 16 years now. My best guess is that you'd never get enough states to agree that the current government needs replaced, rather it is probably the exact one they want. Maybe if Trump keeps pissing off the Freedom Caucus...

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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There is no, "church state thing". The 1st Amendment only says, "Congress shall make no law establishing religion". There's nothing there that prevents a state capital from displaying The Ten Commandments.
    Nor the Koran, I suppose...?

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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    Nor the Koran, I suppose...?
    You're right.
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Article 5 Convention Of States

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Who are they, what do they want, and who funds them?
    You can start here. There's a lot more info out there if you'd care to look.

    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texa...g-constitution
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