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    Re: Abortion and Immigration Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    That is where I think common sense comes in. If the Legislature and Executive and SCOTUS all disagree on the constitutionality of something, then the only proper authority should be the states themselves. It certainly isn't as if the justices of the SCOTUS suddenly become infallible upon obtaining the honor of their position. We know that from some of the truly dreadful decisions that have been handed down.

    And it is even more dangerous when we have half the court making decisions on what the justices think should be constitutional and giving no importance to what the Constitution originally intended in the matter.
    this is why i am so much against the 17th, because it totally changed the face of government and moved faction into the federal government allowing legislation to be created which was controversial, which had to be ruled on by the courts and disastrous results.

    if America had remained true to the constitution and how it separated power, many USSC decisions would have never happened.

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    Re: Abortion and Immigration Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Sorry, you are mistaken.

    The ruling in Roe v. Wade , 410 U.S. 113 (1973), was based on a right to privacy in control of ones own body. It also held that this right only extended until viability of the fetus, at which point it is protected and cannot be aborted (with the exception it may occur to preserve the life of the mother. See Doe v. Bolton, 410 U.S. 179 (1973)).

    This has NOTHING to do with being a "naturalized citizen." At best one might argue it as a birthright citizenship issue (under the 14th Amendment) since the child has not been born, only conceived, in the USA. But that is weak sauce in terms of your argument's premise. IMO you cannot conflate this with the Immigration issue.



    First, when it comes to basic rights remember that neither citizenship, nor our Constitution grants inherent rights. These constructs only serve to protect them in our society from infringement.

    Second, I agree that while we must assert that all humans share these inherent rights...free access to our (or any) nation and the privileges such citizenship entails is NOT part of this essential "liberty" protection.

    This is where those judges are erring with such broadly sweeping rulings IMO.
    Just wanted to add that once the fetus reaches viability it is up to the states to decide whether or not they wish to proscribe elective abortions.

    There are several states that don't have laws proscribing elective abortions past viability, yet the stats prove that even though the state does not have a law against it ....abortions past viability are not any higher in those states than in states that proscribe them past viability.

    The reason is very simple. Abortions past 21 weeks gestation are more dangerous for the woman.
    Only 1.3 percent of abortions take place between 21 and 24 weeks gestation. A 2003 Fox News article posted after 24 weeks gestation only about 100 abortions a year in the whole the US occurs. Those are the very extreame cases where an emergency stat c-section would be more dangerous to the woman than having an abortion.

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    Re: Abortion and Immigration Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Master PO View Post
    this is why i am so much against the 17th, because it totally changed the face of government and moved faction into the federal government allowing legislation to be created which was controversial, which had to be ruled on by the courts and disastrous results.

    if America had remained true to the constitution and how it separated power, many USSC decisions would have never happened.
    I couldn't agree more.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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