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Judge Neil Gorsuch

trouble13 said:
I will have yet another profound problem with the left if they push it to the point thst they force the right to use the nuclear option. They better have a damn good reason for blocking his nomination because creating this orecedent as a means to pass presidental nominees is bad for both sides. The filibuster is an important tool to defend the integrity of our republic and if it should never be evoked a partisan weapon

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A lot of truth to this statement. Once a formerly unused tactic is used by one side, all excuses for not using it again, and again, and again, evaporate.
Such is the legacy of Reid and Obama. They started this entire 'nuclear option', much to the detriment of the entire nation.

But you have to understand the Democrats and where they are at this time. There is no thing more dangerous than a wounded cornered animal, which pretty much sums up their position.

Stunning Graph Shows the Wrecking Ball Obama Has Taken to the Democrat Party
Matthew K. Burke November 13, 2016
Stunning Graph Shows the Wrecking Ball Obama Has Taken to the Democrat Party
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Obama’s legacy is a devastated Democratic Party
By Deroy Murdock, December 25, 2016
Obama’s legacy is a devastated Democratic Party | New York Post
As President Obama concludes his reign of error, his party is smaller, weaker and ricketier than it has been since at least the 1940s. Behold the tremendous power that Democrats have frittered away — from January 2009 through the aftermath of Election Day — thanks to Obama and his ideas:
• Democrats surrendered the White House to political neophyte Donald J. Trump.
• US Senate seats slipped from 55 to 46, down 16 percent.
• US House seats fell from 256 to 194, down 24 percent.
• Democrats ran the Senate and House in 2009. Next year, they will control neither.
• Governorships slid from 28 to 16, down 43 percent.
• State legislatures (both chambers) plunged from 27 to 14, down 48 percent
• Trifectas (states with Democrat governors and both legislative chambers) cratered from 17 to 6, down 65 percent.
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For a fair numbers of years, on the order of 6, I've been saying that the Democrats will follow Obama over the cliff like lemmings. Based on the above, seems an apt description.
 
trouble13 said:
I hope your right that the dems dont choose this battle.

RGB is an amazing woman. I profoundly disagree with her but i respect her enourmously and it will be a sad day that the court loses her voice. I will mourn with the left when we lose her. She is the yin to the yang of scalia.

Keeping a balanced court is essential to us all.

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Trump's pick will be men's worst nightmare. He is anti-women's rights. Family Court is gonna triple in size with child support cases.
 
eohrnberger said:
A lot of truth to this statement. Once a formerly unused tactic is used by one side, all excuses for not using it again, and again, and again, evaporate.
Such is the legacy of Reid and Obama. They started this entire 'nuclear option', much to the detriment of the entire nation.

But you have to understand the Democrats and where they are at this time. There is no thing more dangerous than a wounded cornered animal, which pretty much sums up their position.





For a fair numbers of years, on the order of 6, I've been saying that the Democrats will follow Obama over the cliff like lemmings. Based on the above, seems an apt description.
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I dont know if i dump this at obamas feet but he is part of democrat leadership and i do put their losses on leadership. Fate dealt them supermajority numbers in congress and they used it as a power grab. They got so carried away they over reached and spooked many of us. Kenedy dieing and them forcing oboma care may of really cemented peoples fears and they doubled down on their hunger.

They have been hemoraging votes since obamas first midterm and they seem tone deaf to it. People are steadily voting them out and unless they tone it down or the republicans spook voters by over reaching the way the dems did. The dems may be the miniority party for more than trumps first 2 years. How the party is so blind to this when the signs were so obvious amazes me.

Did they think the tea party numbers were an anominally. Did they think losing so many seats wasna fluke? They seem to still be doubling down on this failed strategy. They made owlosi the party leader again? Its like an act of suicide

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Removable Mind said:
Trump's pick will be men's worst nightmare. He is anti-women's rights. Family Court is gonna triple in size with child support cases.
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Well i think you know my opinion of family court stuff and if your right you can count on my voice of opposition against him on that topic. Sadly you might be right but i hope like usual your wrong on this too (joke)

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Removable Mind said:
Trump's pick will be men's worst nightmare. He is anti-women's rights. Family Court is gonna triple in size with child support cases.
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By that I take it you mean he is pro life?
 
Fletch said:
You know damn well they will. I feel bad for the guy, hes in for a campaign of personal destruction like nothing we have ever seen. Liberals are in a state of complete meltdown and will not tolerate a Trump nominee of any kind. The Senate will have to revoke the filibuster to get anyone on the court.
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If they don't go there, they'll hire OTHERS to go there. It's going to be ugly. In the end, he'll be confirmed, but not before much bloodshed.
 
trouble13 said:
Well i think you know my opinion of family court stuff and if your right you can count on my voice of opposition against him on that topic. Sadly you might be right but i hope like usual your wrong on this too (joke).

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Well, I guess I'm going to change my support in favor of the guy just for you.
 
RenoCon said:
Dirty Harry was warned. He was just to egotistical and short sighted to take heed.
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The GOP first threatened to use Majority Leader Frist's nuclear option in 2005 but was stopped by the gang of 14.

McConnell refused to allow his 7 senators to reform this gang of 14 in 2013 under a different president with which he was filibustering every cabinet and judicial appointee .
 
MaggieD said:
If they don't go there, they'll hire OTHERS to go there. It's going to be ugly. In the end, he'll be confirmed, but not before much bloodshed.
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Bloodshed MaggieD? Are you for real?

And you know that OTHERS will be hired how?

The only ugliness I see so far, especially in this 2nd thread on Gorsuch, is coming from alt-right squealing about what DEMs will do .
 
trouble13 said:
I dont know if i dump this at obamas feet but he is part of democrat leadership and i do put their losses on leadership. Fate dealt them supermajority numbers in congress and they used it as a power grab. They got so carried away they over reached and spooked many of us. Kenedy dieing and them forcing oboma care may of really cemented peoples fears and they doubled down on their hunger.

They have been hemoraging votes since obamas first midterm and they seem tone deaf to it. People are steadily voting them out and unless they tone it down or the republicans spook voters by over reaching the way the dems did. The dems may be the miniority party for more than trumps first 2 years. How the party is so blind to this when the signs were so obvious amazes me.

Did they think the tea party numbers were an anominally. Did they think losing so many seats wasna fluke? They seem to still be doubling down on this failed strategy. They made owlosi the party leader again? Its like an act of suicide

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Electing Pelosi as house minority leader is the political elite of the Democratic party still in denial as to what their problem really is, which is they've moved too far left, and Pelosi is pretty darn far left, coming from California, has, no doubt, framed (and distorted) her perspective on the nation.

I Hope the Democratic party regains its footing. It’s true. I really do.

The founders in their wisdom set up a system of self-governance which was built on the concept of checks and balances, hence the 3 branches of government with enumerated powers and limitations, and what evolved into a two-major party system. Checks and balances.

I don’t believe that its best for the nation to have a major party and a minor party, such as what the graph above would indicate, with one party having so much control where they could almost pass constitution amendments on their own. That much political power, that much control, is counter to the wisdom of check and balances.

Yes, I do hope the Democratic party regains its footing, to restore checks and balances between the major political parties. It’s my opinion they won’t be able to do that continuing their careering ever further left. They need to come back to the center, as America is a center-right country. It might take some time for them to turn the ship around, but it's what they are going to have to do.

Democrats are becoming younger more diverse and more liberal.
Democrats are more clustered in cities.
Democrats have lost a lot of power.

Barack Obama Won The White House, But Democrats Lost The Country
What happened?
By Clare Malone, Analysis by Harry Enten, Published Jan 19, 2017
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...e-white-house-but-democrats-lost-the-country/
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The collapse of the political left
By Michael Barone 12/7/16
The collapse of the political Left | Washington Examiner
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Liberals get hysterical over the 'alt-right' but we are living in their 'alt-left' world | Fox News
By Dan Gainor, Published December 02, 2016, FoxNews.com
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‘My Fellow Liberals, I’m Tired Of You’
By Rod Dreher • December 20, 2016
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/fellow-liberals-tired-of-you/
Amazing letter today from a reader. I’ve hidden a bit to protect her identity:
I’m a secular/agnostic Californian and longtime reader of your blog. I’ve enjoyed your books beginning with Crunchy Cons, and have valued your insights over the years.

Though you don’t know me, I feel like I know you and your family. And I want to share with you, from the liberal bastion of Northern California, that I am officially tired of the type of people who have surrounded me my entire life. In the wake of Trump’s election, I am experiencing “tribe fatigue.” I’m not tired of The Other, Detestable Tribe. I’m tired of my own.
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Fletch said:
You know damn well they will. I feel bad for the guy, hes in for a campaign of personal destruction like nothing we have ever seen. Liberals are in a state of complete meltdown and will not tolerate a Trump nominee of any kind. The Senate will have to revoke the filibuster to get anyone on the court.
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You talk about the left melting down and then print this garbage?

Why do you think American started a 2nd thread on Gorsuch, who I believe should get a fair hearing and a vote?

Something that yer ****ing team didn't give Garland !!
 
Nilly said:
Well that's ****ing rich.

GOP obstruct a nominee for 10 months, Dems done nothing yet and you're accusing them of a campaign of personal destruction?

From a vindictive perspective, I would be for blocking an R nominee after the whole Garland episode, but there's no way that the Dems are going to be able to block Gorsuch for however many years without a majority, especially given his credentials and the fact he was confirmed by voice vote to the circuit.

There are better hills to die on for the Dems, methinks.

Here's hoping that RBG has a few more years left in her.
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It's called preemptive GOP smearing and they have advanced degrees in it .
 
TurtleDude said:
dems obstructed APPELLATE picks Estrada and Keisler. so Don't be crying over Garland getting blocked
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How long are you going to go on about those two compared to what the GOP did to Clinton and Obama?

How many judicial picks did Hatch block in Clinton's last two years?

Why were DEMs forced to pull GOP Frist's nuclear option in 2013?

Just admit it, the GOP is better at smear politics .
 
NIMBY said:
How long are you going to go on about those two compared to what the GOP did to Clinton and Obama?

How many judicial picks did Hatch block in Clinton's last two years?

Why were DEMs forced to pull GOP Frist's nuclear option in 2013?

Just admit it, the GOP is better at smear politics .
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after Bork, the Democrats have no ground to stand on
 
NIMBY said:
Bloodshed MaggieD? Are you for real?

And you know that OTHERS will be hired how?

The only ugliness I see so far, especially in this 2nd thread on Gorsuch, is coming from alt-right squealing about what DEMs will do .
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Metaphorical bloodshed. I know others will be hired because that's how both sides of the aisle roll these days. Democratic congressmen will be hard pressed to treat him with anything other than respect. His credentials are impeccable. That leaves it to the hired hands to turn the public against him. It won't make any difference. I'm sure he's been vetted every which way, so unless they missed something, he'll be confirmed. But it'll be ugly...in my opinion anyway.
 
NIMBY said:
You talk about the left melting down and then print this garbage?

Why do you think American started a 2nd thread on Gorsuch, who I believe should get a fair hearing and a vote?

Something that yer ****ing team didn't give Garland !!
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The right argued that obama would tilt the balance of the court by appointing garland so they stalled until the election was over. Thats not an unreasonable explination

What is the lefts argument to shift the balance of the court to justify tje fili uster?

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trouble13 said:
The right argued that obama would tilt the balance of the court by appointing garland so they stalled until the election was over. Thats not an unreasonable explination

What is the lefts argument to shift the balance of the court to justify tje fili uster?

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McConnell broke the Senate in 2016, 2013, and 2005. This political hatred is on you guys .
 
MaggieD said:
Metaphorical bloodshed. I know others will be hired because that's how both sides of the aisle roll these days. Democratic congressmen will be hard pressed to treat him with anything other than respect. His credentials are impeccable. That leaves it to the hired hands to turn the public against him. It won't make any difference. I'm sure he's been vetted every which way, so unless they missed something, he'll be confirmed. But it'll be ugly...in my opinion anyway.
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Thank you. I support what the GOP didn't give Garland, a fair hearing and a vote.

It's hard for me to imagine that honorable GOPs would give McConnell a pass on what he did to Garland.

But that's exactly what's happened since Justice Scalia died, even on this thread .
 
NIMBY said:
You mean after Fortas, since you want to go there .
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lots of Democrats decided to oppose Fortas who was so corrupt he not only didn't get moved to CJ, he resigned as an AJ
 
In case anyone is interested, here is the announcement.


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NIMBY said:
You talk about the left melting down and then print this garbage?

Why do you think American started a 2nd thread on Gorsuch, who I believe should get a fair hearing and a vote?

Something that yer ****ing team didn't give Garland !!
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Someone once said "Elections have consequences". It wasn't easy to stomach then, any more so than now, but it is / was the truth in both instances.

I guess that means the it's the Democrat's turn 'in the back'.
 
NIMBY said:
Thank you. I support what the GOP didn't give Garland, a fair hearing and a vote.

It's hard for me to imagine that honorable GOPs would give McConnell a pass on what he did to Garland.

But that's exactly what's happened since Justice Scalia died, even on this thread .
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I think the Repubs were desperate not to confirm an Obama appointee because that would have replaced a conservative with a liberal changing the make-up of the court for years. (I sure know that's the biggest reason I personally voted for Trump.) Trump's appointee will keep the same balance in the court as before... much better from the GOP standpoint. Dems wouldn't be too happy with his age, being a relatively young man. And, of course, there's the possibility that Trump will get to name another one before his term is up. THAT then would set back the liberals' agenda for years.

I suppose it's always possible they won't risk political fallout and the nuclear option at this point and won't filibuster, but I personally don't think they're apt to be conciliatory.
 
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