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    Re: Absolute Logic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    If that was what the OP implied, that there was no hope in doing such, this thread would not exist.
    I can only go by what you post, not what you think you implied. You never said there was a guarantee that if you stayed alive, you'd be rescued, I responded as such.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Absolute Logic

    You are operating under the false assumption that survival is always logical. Logic is only a measure of internal consistency with given assumptions. If the given assumption is to prioritize your survival at all costs, then yes it is logical to kill your mother. However, it is equally logical to decide that your mother is more important and commit suicide so she might live. An illogical action would be killing your mother for survival and then not eating her.

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    Re: Absolute Logic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Of course not. Many don't.

    I see that emotions and notions of morality are keeping people from doing what logic in its purest form dictates.

    Survival. (Is that not what evolutionists pine for, or do they not believe in thier notions to the fullest extent?)
    Evolution is an aggregated effected, not indivdidual.
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    Re: Absolute Logic

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I can only go by what you post, not what you think you implied. You never said there was a guarantee that if you stayed alive, you'd be rescued, I responded as such.
    That is the response I wanted to see. Very good.

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    Re: Absolute Logic

    Oh, maybe I should entertain your pursuit of "absolute logic" oh philosopher king. If you have a problem with my posts, turning your nose up at that which doesn't fellate your psyche - I issued a response
    that merited your thread in addendum. These forums are not yours, nor do you have the authority to issue a demand for me to leave. ..!.
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    Re: Absolute Logic

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Evolution is an aggregated effected, not indivdidual.
    Individuals comprise the aggregation.

    Don't we (not me) evolutional intellectuals believe in the collective?

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    Re: Absolute Logic

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Oh, maybe I should entertain your pursuit of "absolute logic" oh philosopher king. If you have a problem with my posts, turning your nose up at that which doesn't fellate your psyche - I issued a response
    that merited your thread in addendum. These forums are not yours, nor do you have the authority to issue a demand for me to leave. ..!.
    Again you offer no substantial response. You merely spam and insult.

    You're being redundant.

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    Re: Absolute Logic

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    You are operating under the false assumption that survival is always logical. Logic is only a measure of internal consistency with given assumptions. If the given assumption is to prioritize your survival at all costs, then yes it is logical to kill your mother. However, it is equally logical to decide that your mother is more important and commit suicide so she might live. An illogical action would be killing your mother for survival and then not eating her.
    What is logic?

    Can someone obey logic in its purest form?

    Machines have no emotion or morality. They only follow logic. When people strive to be more logical than others, they do not realize that to be utterly logic is to focus on logic alone and leave all else behind.

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    Re: Absolute Logic

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Individuals comprise the aggregation.

    Don't we (not me) evolutional intellectuals believe in the collective?
    Yes, individuals make up the aggregated group. But there is a difference between group dynamics, such as evolution, and individual dyanamics. If you want to say evolution says X about this individual, you are not quite applying evolution correctely because you are taking a singular point instead of aggregated statistics. In fact, death is a large part of the evolutionary process. Through various reproduction, you create a wide base, the sections of that base which cannot adapt well enough die off where as the sections of that base which do adapt survive, and you turn the crank again. Survival in and of itself is not productive to evolution, only the survival of the best adaptable parts. If everything survives, there is no evolution. So when you say "Survival. (Is that not what evolutionists pine for, or do they not believe in thier notions to the fullest extent?)"; you are trying to take an aggregated analysis of change over time and apply it to a very rapid process involving an individual.
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    Re: Absolute Logic

    Looking at the situation logically, I think a lot of people would kill their mother with the intention of eating her, but would justify it in their minds as putting her out of her misery so she wouldn't have to suffer. The interesting thing about emotions is that they can be rationalized so you don't have a conflict between logic and emotion.

    That being said, the idea of "absolute" anything in logic is rather absurd. Perhaps an axiom, postulate, or mathematical proof, but certainly not an absolute.

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