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Trump blurts out his true motivation on mail ballots

Trump was impeached.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
I think what Trump is doing...right now... is serious enough...damaging enough to the Republic...that he should immediately be impeached, convicted, and removed from office.
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What Trump is doing is breaking down the conventions of ethical political behavior and honesty that are needed to maintain government. There is no way to stop this behavior if he has a majority in the courts, which he now has and a majority in the Senate. There are agreed upon conventions and rules, that foster the trust and respect that sustain government. Once someone has gotten away with ignoring the self imposed limits on power and acted unethically the government will never be be the same. More will use power unethically as have McConnell and Trump. Democracy is the most fragile form of government and once broken may never be fixed. Between the two of them they may have damaged out government enough to cripple it forever.
 
Old 'N Chill said:
You don't have to say you're a Trump supporter, it's obvious to everyone. That's your business though, you're not alone in your disregard for the safety and success of our country and its people. I have no desire to argue with you or convince you of anything, I'm not a bully and those who defend Trump can only see what he wants them to see. Enjoy the rest of your day.
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nota bene said:
I will and with a clear conscience. I can't control the unnuanced viewpoints of others. Never mind your silly claim that I disregard the safety and success of the United States. Here is a hint: If you wish to persuade others, don't attack them and stoop to outrageous, indefensible hyperbole.
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It good that you can't control other people's viewpoints, nobody should be able to do that, especially a Trump supporter.

What I said is hardly silly, if you support and defend Trump, then you are supporting and defending his using foreign actors to interfere in United States elections, and you are supporting his putting our national security at risk. You are also supporting his failure to lead from the beginning with this coronavirus pandemic which caused a needless amount of Americans to lose their lives to COVID-19.

You support his divisive rhetoric which incites violence between races, religions and parties. You are supporting all of his lies and corruption, some of which caused him to be Impeached. You support his unpatriotic and disrespectful attacks on our troops, generals, ambassadors and those people of color who serve our country in the government.

You support his siding with Mr. Putin against our American intelligence, and having him help Trump cheat in yet another election. I can go on and on with other examples, but don't wish to waste any more of my time.

You think very highly of yourself, don't you? Believe me, I don't need any hints from you, just try and hear what others are saying sometimes before you start preaching. I don't "wish to persuade others", I have never said I wanted to do that. I said, 'I had no desire to convince you of anything'......get the difference there? ;) Finally, you are the one who is attacking others here, albeit in your own passive aggressive way.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-blocking-post-office-funding-mail-in-voting/



There is really no excuse for this kind of talk. There is no excuse for the actions Trump has been taking, such as refusing to fund the USPS back in April. There is no excuse for the crap the Postmaster General is doing such as shutting down sorting machines. It's a sad day in American history when a U.S. President essentially comes out against the act of voting. It's important to recognize how serious and how terrible this is. Trump is going to try and steal the election. That's the bottom line.
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not exactly sure why this shocks anyone, he can't win a straight up fair and honest election, and mail in voting is safe, so he is trying to kneecap the post office...only shot he has
 
nota bene said:
I kind of divide time now into B.C. (Before Covid) and, someday soon, I hope, A.D. (After Disease). From the Bay Area's NBC affiliate:

A spokesperson for the U.S. Postal Service confirms there was not enough staff last week to man all of Berkeley's post offices, forcing some to close.

On Monday, all offices were back to normal. But for now there are concerns that COVID-19 infections among postal workers and a new rule by the postmaster general is slowing down mail delivery that could have dire consequences in November. Coronavirus, USPS Policy Change May Impact November Election – NBC Bay Area
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Because the new Trump butt boy Post Master General has already cut overtime hours and equipment and shuffled off to Buffalo the 23 top regional USPS executive that actually KNOW HOW TO RUN THE POST OFFICE and replaced them with more butt boys.
 
jnug said:
Because the new Trump butt boy Post Master General has already cut overtime hours and equipment and shuffled off to Buffalo the 23 top regional USPS executive that actually KNOW HOW TO RUN THE POST OFFICE and replaced them with more butt boys.
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I don't really care who is/is not a "butt boy." I care only about whether a mail-in ballot will make it to its destination. You cited stats thinking that they suggest there will be no problem without taking into account how COVID has changed everything. I provided you with information about how it already has. Your opinion on who's a butt-boy is irrelevant to what we were discussing, so stop deflecting and just acknowledge that you weren't aware that the November election presents unique challenges. Good grief.
 
Old 'N Chill said:
It good that you can't control other people's viewpoints, nobody should be able to do that, especially a Trump supporter.

What I said is hardly silly, if you support and defend Trump, then you are supporting and defending his using foreign actors to interfere in United States elections, and you are supporting his putting our national security at risk. You are also supporting his failure to lead from the beginning with this coronavirus pandemic which caused a needless amount of Americans to lose their lives to COVID-19.

You support his divisive rhetoric which incites violence between races, religions and parties. You are supporting all of his lies and corruption, some of which caused him to be Impeached. You support his unpatriotic and disrespectful attacks on our troops, generals, ambassadors and those people of color who serve our country in the government.

You support his siding with Mr. Putin against our American intelligence, and having him help Trump cheat in yet another election. I can go on and on with other examples, but don't wish to waste any more of my time.

You think very highly of yourself, don't you? Believe me, I don't need any hints from you, just try and hear what others are saying sometimes before you start preaching. I don't "wish to persuade others", I have never said I wanted to do that. I said, 'I had no desire to convince you of anything'......get the difference there? ;) Finally, you are the one who is attacking others here, albeit in your own passive aggressive way.
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You don't get to tell me that I disregard the safety and success of our country without my responding. You get that? Is that active-aggressive enough for you?
 
nota bene said:
I don't really care who is/is not a "butt boy." I care only about whether a mail-in ballot will make it to its destination. You cited stats thinking that they suggest there will be no problem without taking into account how COVID has changed everything. I provided you with information about how it already has. Your opinion on who's a butt-boy is irrelevant to what we were discussing, so stop deflecting and just acknowledge that you weren't aware that the November election presents unique challenges. Good grief.
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And as I already posted, anecdotes don't beat numbers (assuming you mean the stats from a previous post) except for Trumpets who are lucky if they can actually even muster an anecdote. Just because you accept that low bar for you and your hero, don't expect me to do it.

As for why your mail is late...complain to Donnie boy. Its HIS FAULT
 
nota bene said:
You don't get to tell me that I disregard the safety and success of our country without my responding. You get that? Is that active-aggressive enough for you?
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Just going by the facts regarding the character you support and defend all the time. Seemed to have hit a nerve there, you take defending him so personally. ;) I get to tell you whatever I want, just like you get to tell me the things I'm saying are silly.
 
Drawdown said:
Trump isn't doing anything. All he did was state the obvious. No money=No change.
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Way to justify him blurting out his plan. Stating the obvious and providing the rationale for why the greatest deal maker in the history of deal making can't get agreement within his own party.

But feel free to float thru life thinking totalitarian banana republic tactics to suppress the vote is not only smart, moral, constitutional and just the kind of America you dream of.

Its amazing how far trumpians will go to defend him, all the while oblivious to the fact they are exposing themselves not as true patriotic americans, but as white totalitarian toadies.
 
nota bene said:
I don't really care who is/is not a "butt boy." I care only about whether a mail-in ballot will make it to its destination. You cited stats thinking that they suggest there will be no problem without taking into account how COVID has changed everything. I provided you with information about how it already has. Your opinion on who's a butt-boy is irrelevant to what we were discussing, so stop deflecting and just acknowledge that you weren't aware that the November election presents unique challenges. Good grief.
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mail in voting fraud is insignificant. Unless you think the republican caught ballot harvesting is representative of what has always gone on. Of course you neglect entirely to consider the clown got caught.

The article you linked to discuss various problems but fraud isn't one of them. Trump's toadie is seeing to screwing up internal operations and so far has decommissioned 19 sorting machines each capable of sorting 36,000 letters an hour, almost 700K letters per hour and he ain't finished.

And yes, staffing problems with the virus are a problem, of course exacerbated by the toadies cancelling of all overtime and changing the cultural goal of processing all mail same day recieved.

This is a deliberate effort on the part of trump to suppress the vote and to cast doubt on its outcome because he is going to get his ass historically whipped if he doesn't.
The piper will be paid.
 
As far as I am concerned Trump is no longer a legitimate president. Actively taking steps to try to de-legitimize and sabotage the election is a bit too far for me.
 
nota bene said:
Trump was impeached.
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You're right on that one!

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calamity said:
...and soon will be voted out.
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Hopefully, we will be voting for Biden and Harris.
 
Drawdown said:
Trump isn't doing anything. All he did was state the obvious. No money=No change.
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But there’s billions of dollars for F-35’s in a COVID-19 stimulus bill?
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Yeah, and I think this is going to have very serious consequences. I honestly think the act of suppressing the vote in this way has the very serious potential of leading to a second Civil War.

At this point, if it's a close race, whichever side loses, is not going to accept the results of the election.

Each side's preferences have already been baked in:

Americans who prefer in-person voting favor Donald Trump | YouGov



Trump is going to risk destroying our country in order to get re-elected.
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Trump doesn't care. He is a sociopath with extreme narcissism.

His own supporters can't defend his actions, and they largely avoid him. They prefer talking about Democrats.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
I don't mean to be alarmist but given the cultish nature of Trump's support (they believe ANYTHING the idiot says), and the complete cowardice of the GOP, how will this situation not devolve into violence?
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I don't want to go there. My hope is it doesn't. I don't think it will on any substantive terms. But there's always Pizza-gate type nuts out there.
 
Worth pointing out that Donnie boy has finally found an issue important enough to push his administration's LAUGHABLE response to COVID off the A block in some news broadcasts, namely his USPS nonsense. Not that he wasn't looking for one or anything. Ah-huh
 
Sandy Shanks said:
Trump doesn't care. He is a sociopath with extreme narcissism.

His own supporters can't defend his actions, and they largely avoid him. They prefer talking about Democrats.
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It's obvious to everyone in America and across the world that Trump just doesn't care. You're right, he is a sociopath with extreme narcissism among many other faults. His supporters can't defend his actions, and seeing them jump through hoops to defend him, make excuses for him and try to explain away his insanity, just makes them look as desperate and foolish as they are. They think throwing out false or exaggerated fear mongering garbage about the Democrats will make them look bad, therefore making the Trump Party republicans look better.....nope, most of us see through all that BS.
 
Questerr said:
But there’s billions of dollars for F-35’s in a COVID-19 stimulus bill?
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Don't forget the money for renovating the WH, very important, the First Lady wants it.
 
Sandy Shanks said:
Trump doesn't care. He is a sociopath with extreme narcissism.

His own supporters can't defend his actions, and they largely avoid him. They prefer talking about Democrats.
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Well I did see trump and the First Lady got their mail-in ballots delivered to their resort in Florida, and they have been forwarded to the WH. Have you gotten yours yet?
You just cannot make the chit up, we are living in a very strange land these days.
 
nota bene said:
The last time I really shared my personal opinions on Trump was when he secured the nomination in 2016. Since then I don't think I've commented on his policies, only on the respect that any holder of the Office of the Presidency is due.

I find sad the assumption of so many that if you don't participate in daily "two-minute hate" threads that mock Trump, you have failed an ideological purity test. I've even been told that I voted for Trump when I have never posted about for whom I voted. Of course, I've now been called a woman-hating racist because I don't like Kamala Harris (and I emphatically do not), so there you go.

I think that the constant vilification on this board of those who are both progressive and conservative is counterproductive and believe that a little respect toward oppositional viewpoints would go a long way in healing divisions. When you stereotype all progressives or conservatives or use ugly terms to describe them, you're being unfair and ugly yourself.
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Are you seriously okay with Trump suppressing the vote in this way? During the middle of a pandemic, you're okay with Trump deliberately interfering in the operations of USPS so voters are discouraged from voting for Biden? How can you be okay with that? How can you sit by and attack the people criticizing Trump when Trump is effectively stealing the election? Every American citizen above the age of 18 has the right to vote, not just the citizens you agree with. Why would you be okay with this? What is wrong with you people? I do not understand how any American citizen, whether liberal or conservative, could ever support the deliberate suppression of their fellow citizens from voting, nor do I understand the desire to remain silent and refuse to criticize Trump in light of what he's clearly doing. When someone like Trump holds democracy hostage for their own personal political advantage they no longer deserve respect, and they no longer deserve to be in office.

What Trump is doing right now goes far beyond policy, far beyond partisanship, in my view, it represents an attack against our Republic. This is by far the worst thing he has ever done, and I find the refusal of Republicans, and Trump supporters to criticize Trump to be a severe character flaw. Trump supporters do not really believe in the founding principles and values of our Republic. It's clear to me that Trump supporters hate their political opponents more than they love our Republic, for what greater hate can there be in a democracy than the rejection of the right of one's fellow citizens to vote. Your claims of "not hating" and bipartisanship ring hollow. If you believed in the things you said you believed in you would stand up for the right of your political opponents to VOTE!!!!!!!!

nota bene said:
Reread my first sentence, Cardinal.
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Within the context of what is happening right now, I consider your first sentence to be an endorsement of cheating by Trump.

It's clear you're perfectly fine with Trump stealing the election apparently.
 
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