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Executive Orders

BlueTex said:
Let's take my home state of Texas as an example.
3M unemployed. Let's say Texas has to come up with $100/week for six weeks (that's about how long the funds Trump is using for this will last). That's a cost of $1.8 Billion. Texas has strict balanced budget requirements and is already projected to have a $5 Billion deficit. Where does Texas find this money?
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Evidently, states have access to funds from previous stimulus
 
BlueTex said:
Let's take my home state of Texas as an example.
3M unemployed. Let's say Texas has to come up with $100/week for six weeks (that's about how long the funds Trump is using for this will last). That's a cost of $1.8 Billion. Texas has strict balanced budget requirements and is already projected to have a $5 Billion deficit. Where does Texas find this money?
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Plus the states will have to come up with an entire separate system to take the federal money and distribute it along with the money the states would contribute. Who pays for that? Is that yet another cost passed on to the states that the federal government won't recompense them for....see State and City COVID costs for reference.

Kudlow on CNN speaking in tongues....the standard MO for Trump and Trumpets. He can't even explain it and has run a truck over his own tongue several times already.
 
BlueTex said:
The one that expired?
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in Michigan, where Governor Gretchen Whitmer has demanded more federal funding this week, only 3 percent of the more than $3 billion the state received has been spent thus far.

And in New Jersey, where Governor Phil Murphy has levied complaints against the new Senate Republican proposal, the Treasury Department reports that only 2.1 percent of the funds they received have been spent.

CARES Act: State Governments Sitting on Funds, Report Says | National Review
 
VySky said:
in Michigan, where Governor Gretchen Whitmer has demanded more federal funding this week, only 3 percent of the more than $3 billion the state received has been spent thus far.

And in New Jersey, where Governor Phil Murphy has levied complaints against the new Senate Republican proposal, the Treasury Department reports that only 2.1 percent of the funds they received have been spent.

CARES Act: State Governments Sitting on Funds, Report Says | National Review
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It is illegal to take funds from one program and move them to another...
 
VySky said:
That law needs changed pronto..
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Oh! So you are okay if California reprograms federal funds to support health care for the undocumented?
 
BlueTex said:
It is illegal to take funds from one program and move them to another...
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Obama did it with DACA. SCOTUS confirmed it. That's what Trump's legal team will leverage
 
BlueTex said:
Oh! So you are okay if California reprograms federal funds to support health care for the undocumented?
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If they change the law, no
 
VySky said:
Obama did it with DACA. SCOTUS confirmed it. That's what Trump's legal team will leverage
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DACA didn't reprogram federal funds.. good lord...
 
VySky said:
If they change the law, no
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LMAO.... While we are passing laws, how about we just pass the law the senate has been sitting on for months and avoid this whole, laughable overreach....
 
BlueTex said:
DACA didn't reprogram federal funds.. good lord...
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It used tax payer dollars. The issue with Trumps EO is that Congress has power of the purse. And funds sent to states for Covid, then using Covid funds unused for further Covid use is smart use of our tax payer dollars.
 
VySky said:
It used tax payer dollars. The issue with Trumps EO is that Congress has power of the purse. And funds sent to states for Covid, then using Covid funds unused for further Covid use is smart use of our tax payer dollars.
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Sigh... Whether it used taxpayer dollars is entirely irrelevant. ALL federal funds are taxpayer dollars. Congress, and only congress, can appropriate funds. There is a whole slew of laws limiting reprogramming of funds. Once an appropriation expires, the funds are no longer available whether they are used or not. You might be familiar with a federal government shutdown. That's because the appropriation expired. There are NO more funds available from the first stimulus. NONE... There is no legal nuance...
 
snakestretcher said:
Yes, a fundamentally divisive and adversarial two-party system is never going to be ideal-especially when bickering over ideological differences takes priority over a nation's health.
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The problem is or I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't that way. When the two major parties could work together on most issues and come to an agreement, a compromise. Most, not all. When party leaders like Daschle and Lott, Mitchell and Dole, even Baker and Byrd who respected each other and would work together. There was no need for the nuclear option, none of them would even dream of it. We had a complete change in both parties leadership. Reid, McConnell, Schumer, Pelosi, all put party over country in my opinion and there is no compromise in any of them.

I do think this current modern era of political polarization and ultra, mega high partisanship began or took hold with the Hastert rule. It has snowballed from there.
 
VySky said:
Evidently, states have access to funds from previous stimulus
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The money states have is money they have put aside for .......TESTING. Oh what a shocker....Trump wants money put aside for testing used for something else.

Everything Trump does is motivated by his absurd perspective on dealing with COVID and his unwillingness to deal with his own failure in that regard.
 
Thom Paine said:
The House will not take action. It's the Presidents way of attempting to push/force the House to pass a bill.
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The problem is the republicans now don't want to pay up for the crisis they are responsible for with their inaction to lead during a pandemic. They allow Trump to do whatever he wants, and he owns them. They needed to pressure him to advise the entire country to shut down all at once back in February/March, and those epidemiologists' recommendations like that would have greatly reduced spread and deaths to the point that the country would most likely be reopened safely by now. Instead we were told it was going away!

Coronavirus Can Be Stopped Only by Harsh Steps, Experts Say - The New York Times
 
Perotista said:
The problem is or I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't that way. When the two major parties could work together on most issues and come to an agreement, a compromise. Most, not all. When party leaders like Daschle and Lott, Mitchell and Dole, even Baker and Byrd who respected each other and would work together. There was no need for the nuclear option, none of them would even dream of it. We had a complete change in both parties leadership. Reid, McConnell, Schumer, Pelosi, all put party over country in my opinion and there is no compromise in any of them.

I do think this current modern era of political polarization and ultra, mega high partisanship began or took hold with the Hastert rule. It has snowballed from there.
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Working together across ideological party lines is precisely the reason why Europe has fared so much better than the US in attempting to tackle this pandemic. We recognise what is important now; the bickering can resume once things are settled and normality (whatever it looks like in future), is resumed.
 
snakestretcher said:
Working together across ideological party lines is precisely the reason why Europe has fared so much better than the US in attempting to tackle this pandemic. We recognise what is important now; the bickering can resume once things are settled and normality (whatever it looks like in future), is resumed.
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I totally agree.
 
Thom Paine said:
The House will not take action. It's the Presidents way of attempting to push/force the House to pass a bill.
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The House already passed a bill months ago. It's the Republican Senate that won't take action.
 
Craig234 said:
The House already passed a bill months ago. It's the Republican Senate that won't take action.
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There is a side of me that hopes Pelosi adjourns the house tomorrow... Trump has "solved" the issue and doesn't need congress... Let him deal with the fallout from his EO's all on his own till November... :2razz:
 
Craig234 said:
The House already passed a bill months ago. It's the Republican Senate that won't take action.
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How many times has the House rejected what the Senate proposed?

My take the House passed a partisan Bill which is not taken up by the partisan Senate.
The Senate passes a partisan Bill which the House rejects on a partisan basis,

Congress is broken. I blame the President, the Republicans and the Democrats.
 
BlueTex said:
The house has had a bill for months... If the president has addressed these concerns with these EO's why does the house need to act now?
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They don't if they like his EO.
It's generally better to enact a bill but sometimes the powers that be will not negotiate, so Presidents have resorted to EOs and Presidential Memorandae to get some things accomplished.
I care not who is in power, the original reason for EOs was not to circumvent legislation.
At times, the action may seem needed but, generally, I don't care for the way they have come to be used.
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