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Solution for Portland

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Things are not all good in Portland. I think everyone would agree with that statement, while there may be disagreement as to what exactly is the problem (whether the root of the issue is the protestors or police).

However, it is clear that letting the protestors completely have their was opens the door for those who take advantage of the situation for violence but at the same time, the police also need to treat the people they are charged to protect better. This means there should be some neutral ground somewhere that people can find to begin working together.

What should this neutral ground be?
 
tacomancer said:
Things are not all good in Portland. I think everyone would agree with that statement, while there may be disagreement as to what exactly is the problem (whether the root of the issue is the protestors or police).

However, it is clear that letting the protestors completely have their was opens the door for those who take advantage of the situation for violence but at the same time, the police also need to treat the people they are charged to protect better. This means there should be some neutral ground somewhere that people can find to begin working together.

What should this neutral ground be?
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We need to identify and prosecute fully anyone who committed a felony. If you're on camera lighting a match, then you need to go down in flames. Rule of the law is the only way to reclaim our burning Democratic-run cities.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
We need to identify and prosecute fully anyone who committed a felony. If you're on camera lighting a match, then you need to go down in flames. Rule of the law is the only way to reclaim our burning Democratic-run cities.
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I would agree that people who commit crime should answer for those crimes.

At least for me, this should be a neutral topic, meaning both police and citizens who commit crimes should be in jail.
 
If you live in Portland get out now if you can with democrats in office it is going to get worse, until the people wise up! and get democrats out of office this place will be unsafe to live in! move to a republican run city! ! 2024
 
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tacomancer said:
Things are not all good in Portland. I think everyone would agree with that statement, while there may be disagreement as to what exactly is the problem (whether the root of the issue is the protestors or police).

However, it is clear that letting the protestors completely have their was opens the door for those who take advantage of the situation for violence but at the same time, the police also need to treat the people they are charged to protect better. This means there should be some neutral ground somewhere that people can find to begin working together.

What should this neutral ground be?
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Giving rioters the full Rodney King.

These Antifa punks are little cowards, once a few get beat they’ll stop coming
 
john patriot said:
If you live in Portland get out now if you can with democrats in office it is going to get worse, until the people wise up! and get democrats out of office this place will be unsafe to live in! move to a republican run city! ! 2024
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No! Libs should stay in Portland!
 
tacomancer said:
I would agree that people who commit crime should answer for those crimes.

At least for me, this should be a neutral topic, meaning both police and citizens who commit crimes should be in jail.
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No, police should not be going to jail for using force on rioters. There is no equivalence
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Giving rioters the full Rodney King.

These Antifa punks are little cowards, once a few get beat they’ll stop coming
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The long term effect would be a strong progressive revolution politically and more AOC types as those people do not go away, they just change their focus
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, police should not be going to jail for using force on rioters. There is no equivalence
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I was referencing the acts of police that built up the rage in the first place, this all started with stop and frisk and the militarization of the police.
 
tacomancer said:
I would agree that people who commit crime should answer for those crimes.

At least for me, this should be a neutral topic, meaning both police and citizens who commit crimes should be in jail.
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We're on the same page with this. Absolutely agree.
 
tacomancer said:
I was referencing the acts of police that built up the rage in the first place, this all started with stop and frisk and the militarization of the police.
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Cops should go to jail for arresting gun offenders and using vehicles to keep them safe from small arms fire?

Yeah I can tell you’re interested in peaceful good faith solutions.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Cops should go to jail for arresting gun offenders and using vehicles to keep them safe from small arms fire?

Yeah I can tell you’re interested in peaceful good faith solutions.
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cops should go to jail any time they knee a neck or shoot someone who is running away

there should be no allowance for "decisions in the heat of the moment"
 
tacomancer said:
Things are not all good in Portland. I think everyone would agree with that statement, while there may be disagreement as to what exactly is the problem (whether the root of the issue is the protestors or police).

However, it is clear that letting the protestors completely have their was opens the door for those who take advantage of the situation for violence but at the same time, the police also need to treat the people they are charged to protect better. This means there should be some neutral ground somewhere that people can find to begin working together.

What should this neutral ground be?
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Democrat leadership at the state and local level has done very little to address the proliferation of violent unrest in the city of Portland. Why would there need to be neutral ground? Voters should make better decisions and put actual leaders in place that want to act, law enforcement should be able to do their job and clean up the streets and police officers performing their job duties inappropriately should be investigated.
 
jotathought said:
Democrat leadership at the state and local level has done very little to address the proliferation of violent unrest in the city of Portland. Why would there need to be neutral ground? Voters should make better decisions and put actual leaders in place that want to act, law enforcement should be able to do their job and clean up the streets and police officers performing their job duties inappropriately should be investigated.
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Because bad faith acts by police have been occurring for years and if this is squelched, the problem still exists that sparked this in the first place.
 
tacomancer said:
Because bad faith acts by police have been occurring for years and if this is squelched, the problem still exists that sparked this in the first place.
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It's a leadership problem .. not a law enforcement problem.
 
jotathought said:
It's a leadership problem .. not a law enforcement problem.
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Its actually both. This anger began building with stop and frisk, I believe.
 
tacomancer said:
I would agree that people who commit crime should answer for those crimes.

At least for me, this should be a neutral topic, meaning both police and citizens who commit crimes should be in jail.
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Liberals screamed that Trump's storm Troopers were escalating the violence.

The Fed's backed off, and the lying liberals are still trying to defend them while they are still attempting to torch police stations.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Liberals screamed that Trump's storm Troopers were escalating the violence.

The Fed's backed off, and the lying liberals are still trying to defend them while they are still attempting to torch police stations.
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Exactly, which is why I started this thread. What I thought was the solution turned out not to be one, so what is the solution now?
 
tacomancer said:
cops should go to jail any time they knee a neck or shoot someone who is running away

there should be no allowance for "decisions in the heat of the moment"
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So cops should go to prison for using common sense non lethal force to restrain a criminal suspect or use deadly force to effect the arrest of a violent fleeing felon?
 
tacomancer said:
Exactly, which is why I started this thread. What I thought was the solution turned out not to be one, so what is the solution now?
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People who fail to disperse on command getting the sh!t clubbed and tear gassed out of them and then going to jail
 
EMNofSeattle said:
So cops should go to prison for using common sense non lethal force to restrain a criminal suspect or use deadly force to effect the arrest of a violent fleeing felon?
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a kneed neck is not common sense and not something a decent human being would do.

and yes shooting someone who has their back turned to you and is not a threat in that moment should absolutely land you in jail.
 
tacomancer said:
I was referencing the acts of police that built up the rage in the first place, this all started with stop and frisk and the militarization of the police.
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I think the mistake you are making is believing that the vast majority of the people rioting and looting give a **** about Floyd or BLM.

It’s just an excuse to cause mayhem which these people have a long tradition of in Portland.
 
tacomancer said:
Things are not all good in Portland. I think everyone would agree with that statement, while there may be disagreement as to what exactly is the problem (whether the root of the issue is the protestors or police).

However, it is clear that letting the protestors completely have their was opens the door for those who take advantage of the situation for violence but at the same time, the police also need to treat the people they are charged to protect better. This means there should be some neutral ground somewhere that people can find to begin working together.

What should this neutral ground be?
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I see two problems...

1. Antifa are violent anarchists and terrorists. They are not interested in "neutral ground". The only solution to their actions is aggressive enforcement of the rule of law. Shut them down.

2. So called "peaceful protesters". These are the ones who don't resort to violence and anarchy. Their actions are protected by the 1st Amendment. However...while exercising their 1st Amendment rights, they are NOT allowed to violate any other laws. If they do not have a permit from the city to shut down a city street or block an intersection, they are breaking the law if they do that. They are breaking the law if they assault passers-by. That includes assaulting drivers and damaging their vehicles when a person is lawfully driving on the city roads. When the peaceful protesters are engaging in unlawful actions, they are not peaceful.

So...this neutral ground you ask about. Here's my take:

1. Cities must pass an ordinance that requires protesters to apply for a permit. If they don't, they are an unlawful protest and they will be removed.

2. The permit must designate a time and place for the protest to occur. If the protesters deviate from that time and place, they are an unlawful protest and they will be removed.

3. The city MUST enforce their laws. Period.
 
tacomancer said:
cops should go to jail any time they knee a neck or shoot someone who is running away

there should be no allowance for "decisions in the heat of the moment"
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Everyone already agrees that cops should be arrested for committing crimes.

Liberals have bashed the entire police fraternity because it's the path of least resistance, and a hell of a lot easier than admitting they have handed over control of their inner cities to thugs and gangs.
 
tacomancer said:
a kneed neck is not common sense and not something a decent human being would do.
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Yes it is, it provides very good control over a restrained person and is not proven to have ever caused a death.
and yes shooting someone who has their back turned to you and is not a threat in that moment should absolutely land you in jail.
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So a violent felon should be permitted to escape arrest and hurt or kill someone else?
Also the mere position of your back to someone does not mean you are not a threat to that person
 
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