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Will Democrats Allow Trump

Casper said:
Tell us, among the items in the Bill to help the American People which can trump actually implement on his iwn?
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LOL. I'll take that as a no, that you will not support Trump for helping the American people when Congress fails to act.
 
Moderate Right said:
So, you're saying that you would rather see Americans suffer when Congress fails to act? What on Earth else would a president be for?
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Nope, what I am saying, read reeeaaly slow this time, much of what is in the bill is not within his power to implement on his own, or don't you know that?

Again, what can he really do, list it.
 
Casper said:
Except they were willing to drop 1 Trillion of their Bill and how much more were the Repubs willing to add to theirs?
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LOL. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened. The House passed their bill of 3T knowing that they would eventually settle for 2T with the Senate in the end. In other words, they wanted 2T from the very beginning. They didn't drop one dollar. This is pure straight up partisan politics.
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. I'll take that as a no, that you will not support Trump for helping the American people when Congress fails to act.
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So you cannot name what he can actually do, you only talk generalities without specifics, ok, got it, ya got Nothing.:roll:
 
yankintx said:
I believe it was the GOP Congress in 2010 who publicly declared they would obstruct Obama all the way. You expect the Dems to play along your naive.
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Could you repost in English please? It sounds like you are saying you would rather see the American people suffer by getting revenge for Obama.
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. So, you're saying that if Trump signs orders to help the American people because Congress doesn't act to, that he should be taken to court for abusing his power to help Americans?
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Let's get one thing straight. Trump is signing an executive order that is LESS than what the Democrats want for Americans. Signing an executive order for this does not make him someone that is helping the American people but someone that is *****ing them.

On top of that, he is going against the Constitution given that the Constitution explicitly says that the House is the one that hold the power of the purse strings in the nation, not the President.

One more example of abusing his power and *****ing the people. He is just doing this for show. The people need more and he is giving them less but using the opportunity to make himself look good in the eyes of his base...........given that only they are stupid enough to believe this is "helping the American public"
 
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Ikari said:
I think the power of the EO has been growing substantially over the past few Presidents and it's been getting out of hand. It should be reigned in, the EO should not be a tool by which the President can legislate outside of Congress, the President is not King. I think any EO that pushes boundaries and is possibly an unconstitutional act by the President should be challenged.
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Sure but your Congress sucks donkeys balls too!
 
Moderate Right said:
LOL. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened. The House passed their bill of 3T knowing that they would eventually settle for 2T with the Senate in the end. In other words, they wanted 2T from the very beginning. They didn't drop one dollar. This is pure straight up partisan politics.
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And the Repubs put out a last second bill for half that are not willing to budge an inch, yeup pure partisan politics. You do know the American People, especially those hurting, can see this. Ya got 86 days to turn that turd into a diamond, good luck you're gonna need it.:lamo
 
Casper said:
Nope, what I am saying, read reeeaaly slow this time, much of what is in the bill is not within his power to implement on his own, or don't you know that?

Again, what can he really do, list it.
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Well, I thought we were more or less talking about what he CAN do, which has already been talked about. What is the point of talking about what Trump isn't going to do in the first place? However, he can redirect funds that have already been appropriated like he did with the border wall. I'm asking that if Trump does something in a gray area will Democrats take him to court for trying to help the American people or will they let the gray area slide? Also, isn't it actually true that Trump can EO absolutely anything he wants and it will be carried out unless Democrats take him to court claiming that he doesn't have the power to do it? I mean, couldn't Trump theoretically EO stimulus payments to all Americans and it would happen unless someone took him to court claiming that he didn't have the power to do that?
 
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Moderate Right said:
LOL. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened. The House passed their bill of 3T knowing that they would eventually settle for 2T with the Senate in the end. In other words, they wanted 2T from the very beginning. They didn't drop one dollar. This is pure straight up partisan politics.
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And what do you think the Republicans are doing, not playing partisan politics with people's well being in the crosshairs? You don't think the same should apply to the Republicans. They offered $1 trillion and the Democrats offered $3 trillion. Shouldn't it have the same with them looking for $2 trillion as a compromise (Republicans going up $1 trillion and Democrats coming down $1 trillion). Would that not have been the same compromise for both? Why should the Republicans get their way but the Democrats be seen as the ones not willing to compromise. Where is the compromise being shown by the Republicans?

As always with Trump and the Republicans "our way or the highway". Sounds more like an autocracy than Democracy.
 
Luckyone said:
Let's get one thing straight. Trump is signing an executive order that is LESS than what the Democrats want for Americans. Signing an executive order for this does not make him someone that is helping the American people but someone that is *****ing them.

On top of that, he is going against the Constitution given that the Constitution explicitly says that the House is the one that hold the power of the purse strings in the nation, not the President.

One more example of abusing his power and *****ing the people. He is just doing this for show. The people need more and he is giving them less but using the opportunity to make himself look good in the eyes of his base...........given that only they are stupid enough to believe this is "helping the American public"
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LOL. So, if Trump signs an EO which helps Americans you are saying that he is ****ing them? Congress is still free to pass things after the EO. Any EO Trump signs helping Americans doesn't stop Congress from doing more. They can still pass a stimulus on top of Trump's EO's.
 
Casper said:
And the Repubs put out a last second bill for half that are not willing to budge an inch, yeup pure partisan politics. You do know the American People, especially those hurting, can see this. Ya got 86 days to turn that turd into a diamond, good luck you're gonna need it.:lamo
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Republicans WERE budgeting. Democrats were not and Republicans finally said enough is enough.
 
Casper said:
And the Repubs put out a last second bill for half that are not willing to budge an inch, yeup pure partisan politics. You do know the American People, especially those hurting, can see this. Ya got 86 days to turn that turd into a diamond, good luck you're gonna need it.:lamo
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You're right. Biden has the election sewed up. There is no more urgency for Democrats to get out and vote. In fact, if they do decide to vote, I highly encourage them to mail their ballots in. LOL.
 
Luckyone said:
And what do you think the Republicans are doing, not playing partisan politics with people's well being in the crosshairs? You don't think the same should apply to the Republicans. They offered $1 trillion and the Democrats offered $3 trillion. Shouldn't it have the same with them looking for $2 trillion as a compromise (Republicans going up $1 trillion and Democrats coming down $1 trillion). Would that not have been the same compromise for both? Why should the Republicans get their way but the Democrats be seen as the ones not willing to compromise. Where is the compromise being shown by the Republicans?

As always with Trump and the Republicans "our way or the highway". Sounds more like an autocracy than Democracy.
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Ummmmmmmmmm, Republicans own 2/3's of the government. It is up to Democrats to compromise with Republicans. Why should a party controlling only 1/3 of the government be able to hold all Americans hostage and claim the majority when my math teacher taught me that 1/3 is not a majority?
 
Moderate Right said:
Republicans WERE budgeting. Democrats were not and Republicans finally said enough is enough.
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So you agree the Republicants refuse to compromise and pass the bill. Took long enough, but you finally got there.
 
Moderate Right said:
Ummmmmmmmmm, Republicans own 2/3's of the government. It is up to Democrats to compromise with Republicans. Why should a party controlling only 1/3 of the government be able to hold all Americans hostage and claim the majority when my math teacher taught me that 1/3 is not a majority?
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The Dems are actually trying to help the American People, the Republicants are not willing to budge an inch, pssst there are 30 Million Americans out of work. They are mistaken, as you are, that the American People wont blame the Republcants. That 1/3 number will be changing to 100% Dem controlled in 86 days......
 
Casper said:
So you agree the Republicants refuse to compromise and pass the bill. Took long enough, but you finally got there.
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The GOP position is that the president can collapse the economy, then mail out checks Congress hasn’t authorized in a transparent ploy to prop up his sagging reelection hopes. No room for abuse there.

Meanwhile the Dems passed an actual relief package three months ago.
 
Casper said:
The Dems are actually trying to help the American People, the Republicants are not willing to budge an inch, pssst there are 30 Million Americans out of work. They are mistaken, as you are, that the American People wont blame the Republcants. That 1/3 number will be changing to 100% Dem controlled in 86 days......
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Trump is going to EO on unemployment because Democrats refuse to negotiate. Voters will remember who signed the EO.
 
Moderate Right said:
You're right. Biden has the election sewed up. There is no more urgency for Democrats to get out and vote. In fact, if they do decide to vote, I highly encourage them to mail their ballots in. LOL.
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Well, here in Texas that is not an option the Republicants made sure of that. No problem, I would be willing to crawl through broken glass to get into the voting booth and vote trump and the Republicants out of office. I suggest early voting to avoid the longer lines and shutdown polling places the Republicants will claim had to be shut down due to the virus. I bet you don't see the oxymoron in that.
 
Moderate Right said:
Trump is going to EO on unemployment because Democrats refuse to negotiate. Voters will remember who signed the EO.
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He doesn't have the authority to do so, not to mention funding it, like it or not he can do little on his own. I would say putting a stay on evictions might be about the limits of his ability to do much. Clue, you don't radically change the power breakdown of our government to please one mans ego, not gonna happen.
 
jnug said:
ACA is a Bill that passed both Houses of Congress and signed by the President. It was not an EO. Portions of ACA have been struck down in the Courts but it was not an EO. Not even a nice try at an argument with merit BUCKO. In fact, ACA has over time turned into a rather useful AND POPULAR piece of legislation. Prepare to see it bolstered and fashioned to meet the Court's requirements as soon as we can get BOZO the President out of the Oval.
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Sorry BUCKO, Obama was writing checks out the Treasury that were not authorized by Congress. No difference.
 
Greenbeard said:
The GOP position is that the president can collapse the economy, then mail out checks Congress hasn’t authorized in a transparent ploy to prop up his sagging reelection hopes. No room for abuse there.

Meanwhile the Dems passed an actual relief package three months ago.
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Yeup, it is like they think no one can see where the actual Problem is, living in a delusional world is fine until someone wakes you up. 86 Days!
 
I say go for it Trump. Let Republicans who say there doesn't need to be anymore assistance take him to court.
A deal would have been struck with Mnuchin, Pelosi, Pence and McConnell but no Meadows of the freedom caucus Tea party was involved, so there is no negotiation only bull****.
The democrats want the states to receive funds all states not blue or red. The Republicans want liability protections for employers, the Democrats don't. The democrats want point of care testing for schools and essential businesses the Republicans don't.
All Republicans had to do was come up with a bill in May, June or July, they have not brought 1 piece of legislation forward.

Trump will sign his EO, take funds from the military send it to Americans and all the real work will be left to someone else.
Personally I think the house should craft and vote for a few more bills within the 2 trillion range send them to the Senate. Mitch will bring them to the floor because he's not stupid 47 democrats and 13 Republicans will vote for one of them and this will be over.
Anyone else notice Mitch has been absent from these supposed negotiations?
Govern Nancy govern, no one else is.
 
Moderate Right said:
Maybe you could detail the system you think we should have.
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You have way too much government, law makers get elected who have nfi, I’d recommend the Oz system but remove the local councils
 
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