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What's the last time you can recall a 'reasonable' argument on an issue by the right?

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'The right' was supposed to offer some well-meaning opinions of 'different solutions'. They could be discussed.

For example, a topic could be term limits. What are the pros and cons. Maybe 'the left' supports one side and 'the right' the other.

But when can you remember a right like that?

It's hard to remember them saying something that wasn't a reasonable argument to disagree with, but 'crazy'.

Democrats are Marxists who want to destroy America (there's a 'Democrats, the new Marxists' thread on the front page now). Hate for people opposed to wrong police violence. Cheering trump's handling of Coronavirus with going on 5 million Americans infected.

Some other examples from the front page now: Obama was the most corrupt president ever, an attack on "cancel culture" for opposing bigotry, an attack on Biden picking a woman of color VP, a claim that plutocracy isn't harmful.

Which of those is a 'reasonable' argument to have? I would say none.

It's hard to remember seeing one. Could they point to their criticism of violence at protests? No, because it's the left who has the reasonable criticism of that violence, while the right doesn't want to accept how much of it is by the right using the protests for cover, and group blames all protesters for it.

Our country has reached a point where massive inequality dominates our political system, and crazy seems to dominate the right-wing people who defend that. They just spit out names and phrases like "Pelosi" and "Soros" and "AOC" and "cancel culture" and "SJW" and think they've made good points.
 
Can you possibly be more clueless? I dont think so. For 4 years, the left has referred to the right as fascists and Nazis and Klansmen and traitors and what do you do? Whine about a group of Marxist agitators being labelled Marxists. There is no "hate for people opposed to wrong police violence." Thats just you lying. The rest of your post is more of the same. The reason we cant have civil debate here is because of people like you who arent capable of it.
 
Craig234 said:
'The right' was supposed to offer some well-meaning opinions of 'different solutions'. They could be discussed.

For example, a topic could be term limits. What are the pros and cons. Maybe 'the left' supports one side and 'the right' the other.

But when can you remember a right like that?

It's hard to remember them saying something that wasn't a reasonable argument to disagree with, but 'crazy'.

Democrats are Marxists who want to destroy America (there's a 'Democrats, the new Marxists' thread on the front page now). Hate for people opposed to wrong police violence. Cheering trump's handling of Coronavirus with going on 5 million Americans infected.

Some other examples from the front page now: Obama was the most corrupt president ever, an attack on "cancel culture" for opposing bigotry, an attack on Biden picking a woman of color VP, a claim that plutocracy isn't harmful.

Which of those is a 'reasonable' argument to have? I would say none.

It's hard to remember seeing one. Could they point to their criticism of violence at protests? No, because it's the left who has the reasonable criticism of that violence, while the right doesn't want to accept how much of it is by the right using the protests for cover, and group blames all protesters for it.

Our country has reached a point where massive inequality dominates our political system, and crazy seems to dominate the right-wing people who defend that. They just spit out names and phrases like "Pelosi" and "Soros" and "AOC" and "cancel culture" and "SJW" and think they've made good points.
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More than several times a day, over the last few years.
 
Fletch said:
Can you possibly be more clueless? I dont think so. For 4 years, the left has referred to the right as fascists and Nazis and Klansmen and traitors and what do you do? Whine about a group of Marxist agitators being labelled Marxists. There is no "hate for people opposed to wrong police violence." Thats just you lying. The rest of your post is more of the same. The reason we cant have civil debate here is because of people like you who arent capable of it.
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As the saying goes.
The right believes the left are simply mislead. While the left believes everyone else is evil.
 
Fletch said:
Can you possibly be more clueless? I dont think so. For 4 years, the left has referred to the right as fascists and Nazis and Klansmen and traitors and what do you do? Whine about a group of Marxist agitators being labelled Marxists. There is no "hate for people opposed to wrong police violence." Thats just you lying. The rest of your post is more of the same. The reason we cant have civil debate here is because of people like you who arent capable of it.
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Well, if the 'right', like your terminally illiterate 'leader' act like fascists and the KKK and parade around carrying swastikas, what the hell do you expect; praise?

When white nationalists chant their weird slogans, what do they mean? | Southern Poverty Law Center

Charlottesville: far-right crowd with torches encircles counter-protest group | World news | The Guardian
 
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snakestretcher said:
Well, if the 'right', like your terminally illiterate 'leader', act like fascists what the hell do you expect; praise?
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Fascidiot

Noun

an unhinged, uninformed adolescent who labels any action they disagree with as fascism.
 
Craig234 said:
'The right' was supposed to offer some well-meaning opinions of 'different solutions'. They could be discussed.

For example, a topic could be term limits. What are the pros and cons. Maybe 'the left' supports one side and 'the right' the other.

But when can you remember a right like that?

It's hard to remember them saying something that wasn't a reasonable argument to disagree with, but 'crazy'.

Democrats are Marxists who want to destroy America (there's a 'Democrats, the new Marxists' thread on the front page now). Hate for people opposed to wrong police violence. Cheering trump's handling of Coronavirus with going on 5 million Americans infected.

Some other examples from the front page now: Obama was the most corrupt president ever, an attack on "cancel culture" for opposing bigotry, an attack on Biden picking a woman of color VP, a claim that plutocracy isn't harmful.

Which of those is a 'reasonable' argument to have? I would say none.

It's hard to remember seeing one. Could they point to their criticism of violence at protests? No, because it's the left who has the reasonable criticism of that violence, while the right doesn't want to accept how much of it is by the right using the protests for cover, and group blames all protesters for it.

Our country has reached a point where massive inequality dominates our political system, and crazy seems to dominate the right-wing people who defend that. They just spit out names and phrases like "Pelosi" and "Soros" and "AOC" and "cancel culture" and "SJW" and think they've made good points.
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To be fair, you tend to shut down anyone, left - right - middle, if they disagree with you in the slightest way.

Your posts allow no room for discussion, so why bother?
 
holbritter said:
To be fair, you tend to shut down anyone, left - right - middle, if they disagree with you in the slightest way.

Your posts allow no room for discussion, so why bother?
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Going by your post, you tend to post lies.

So why bother? Not much of an argument for the right posting nothing but crazy.
 
snakestretcher said:
Well, if the 'right', like your terminally illiterate 'leader' act like fascists and the KKK and parade around carrying swastikas, what the hell do you expect; praise?
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Republican politicians choose a policy of trying to terrorize refugees by separating from their children, not keeping track of who they belong to and sometimes never returning them; and they want it publicized, both to increase the terror for refugees, and to thrill their voters who will love them for 'doing something' against 'those people'.

Democrats criticize their actions, saying they are evil, wrong.

Republicans say that makes the Democrats hateful and unfair to them.

That's how crazy they are. No problem with the harmful actions; big problem with criticizing the harmful actions.
 
Craig234 said:
Republican politicians choose a policy of trying to terrorize refugees by separating from their children, not keeping track of who they belong to and sometimes never returning them; and they want it publicized, both to increase the terror for refugees, and to thrill their voters who will love them for 'doing something' against 'those people'.

Democrats criticize their actions, saying they are evil, wrong.

Republicans say that makes the Democrats hateful and unfair to them.

That's how crazy they are. No problem with the harmful actions; big problem with criticizing the harmful actions.
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See, you are not honest. Democrats criticized the handling of people who entered this country illegally as fascist and called them concentration camps. So when your side starts off with hyperbole and lies, you dont get to whine about how discourse is impossible.
 
Craig234 said:
Republican politicians choose a policy of trying to terrorize refugees by separating from their children, not keeping track of who they belong to and sometimes never returning them; and they want it publicized, both to increase the terror for refugees, and to thrill their voters who will love them for 'doing something' against 'those people'.

Democrats criticize their actions, saying they are evil, wrong.

Republicans say that makes the Democrats hateful and unfair to them.

That's how crazy they are. No problem with the harmful actions; big problem with criticizing the harmful actions.
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You seem to have forgotten when the government's policy of family separations began.
 
Fletch said:
See, you are not honest. Democrats criticized the handling of people who entered this country illegally as fascist and called them concentration camps. So when your side starts off with hyperbole and lies, you dont get to whine about how discourse is impossible.
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Not to mention the fact that policies like family separation began well before Trump's administration was in the house. Hell, even before Obama had his turn at the wheel as well.
 
Craig234 said:
'The right' was supposed to offer some well-meaning opinions of 'different solutions'. They could be discussed.
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There isn't really any such things as "the right" or "the left". They're just convenient labels used to attack large groups of people on the basis of the actions of a tiny minority. I mean, if you're definition the labels of the basis of "the left do X" and "the right do Y", anyone who doesn't do those things aren't left or right and thus you have a self-fulfilling prophecy.

As long as you keep on treating each other as "the enemy", an opposition to fight and defeat, you'll never even start to have solutions to be discussed. The moment any kind of solution is suggested, even from a truly independent third party, it first gets categorised - left, right, Democrat, Republican, capitalist, socialist - and addressed exclusively on that basis rather than any actual factual flaws and merits.
 
Craig234 said:
'The right' was supposed to offer some well-meaning opinions of 'different solutions'. They could be discussed.

For example, a topic could be term limits. What are the pros and cons. Maybe 'the left' supports one side and 'the right' the other.

But when can you remember a right like that?

It's hard to remember them saying something that wasn't a reasonable argument to disagree with, but 'crazy'.

Democrats are Marxists who want to destroy America (there's a 'Democrats, the new Marxists' thread on the front page now). Hate for people opposed to wrong police violence. Cheering trump's handling of Coronavirus with going on 5 million Americans infected.

Some other examples from the front page now: Obama was the most corrupt president ever, an attack on "cancel culture" for opposing bigotry, an attack on Biden picking a woman of color VP, a claim that plutocracy isn't harmful.

Which of those is a 'reasonable' argument to have? I would say none.

It's hard to remember seeing one. Could they point to their criticism of violence at protests? No, because it's the left who has the reasonable criticism of that violence, while the right doesn't want to accept how much of it is by the right using the protests for cover, and group blames all protesters for it.

Our country has reached a point where massive inequality dominates our political system, and crazy seems to dominate the right-wing people who defend that. They just spit out names and phrases like "Pelosi" and "Soros" and "AOC" and "cancel culture" and "SJW" and think they've made good points.
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That the Dems want to ban firearms, the right is dead on with that.
 
snakestretcher said:
Well, if the 'right', like your terminally illiterate 'leader' act like fascists and the KKK and parade around carrying swastikas, what the hell do you expect; praise?

When white nationalists chant their weird slogans, what do they mean? | Southern Poverty Law Center

Charlottesville: far-right crowd with torches encircles counter-protest group | World news | The Guardian
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how many people in this country do you suppose are truly KKK members? really promote the ideals of the nazi party?

now the vast majority of us wish that number was zero....but it isnt

but when they hold rallies, it it at most a hundred people....

but since they love to speak up to the press, and they hate them blacks, you all eat it up with a spoon

sometimes i really wonder about the people on this site.....are you really this naive?

You are being manipulated by the press....maybe you need to actually get out into the world and meet a lot more people

I think you would find the vast majority are just hard working good people who are trying to raise families no matter their color
 
The dialogue of the right/conservatives has, for the most part, been preempted by the palaver of entertainers/salesmen such as Mr. Rush Limbaugh, Mr. Sean Hannity, Mr. Mark Levin and, most recently, Mr. Benjamin Shapiro. As to whether these gentlemen are worthy to act as the right's intellectual representatives, I ask that they be compared to the late Mr. William F. Buckley, Jr..

There are a very few who still carry the baton once held high aloft by Mr. Buckley. [Mr. George Will comes readily to mind.] They are an endangered species. Their voices are increasingly lost in the general noise and din of the talk radio hucksters shouting their wares.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.
 
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gdgyva said:
how many people in this country do you suppose are truly KKK members? really promote the ideals of the nazi party?

now the vast majority of us wish that number was zero....but it isnt

but when they hold rallies, it it at most a hundred people....

but since they love to speak up to the press, and they hate them blacks, you all eat it up with a spoon

sometimes i really wonder about the people on this site.....are you really this naive?

You are being manipulated by the press....maybe you need to actually get out into the world and meet a lot more people

I think you would find the vast majority are just hard working good people who are trying to raise families no matter their color
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I'm "being manipulated" by nobody. I'm old enough at nearly 70 to recognise bull**** when I see it and to form my own subjective opinions without some tv talking head telling me what to believe. That appears to be a conservative ailment.

The Rise of Far-Right Extremism in the United States | Center for Strategic and International Studies

What is Causing the Rise of Today's Global Far Right?

The Global Machine Behind the Rise of Far-Right Nationalism - The New York Times

Remember, Nazi philosophy began with one person.
 
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Craig234 said:
Republican politicians choose a policy of trying to terrorize refugees by separating from their children, not keeping track of who they belong to and sometimes never returning them; and they want it publicized, both to increase the terror for refugees, and to thrill their voters who will love them for 'doing something' against 'those people'.

Democrats criticize their actions, saying they are evil, wrong.

Republicans say that makes the Democrats hateful and unfair to them.

That's how crazy they are. No problem with the harmful actions; big problem with criticizing the harmful actions.
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Kinda like locking kids in cages, and handing other kids off to human traffickers during the Obama administration?

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/me... Trafficking and Other Abuses 2016-01-282.pdf
 
HonestJoe said:
There isn't really any such things as "the right" or "the left". They're just convenient labels used to attack large groups of people on the basis of the actions of a tiny minority. I mean, if you're definition the labels of the basis of "the left do X" and "the right do Y", anyone who doesn't do those things aren't left or right and thus you have a self-fulfilling prophecy.

As long as you keep on treating each other as "the enemy", an opposition to fight and defeat, you'll never even start to have solutions to be discussed. The moment any kind of solution is suggested, even from a truly independent third party, it first gets categorised - left, right, Democrat, Republican, capitalist, socialist - and addressed exclusively on that basis rather than any actual factual flaws and merits.
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I think your comments are a half-truth. There's a lot to be said about how the 'right and left' don't fit a lot of things, and are used excessively and inaccurately. But, they ARE very useful terms for describing much of the country; there is about 40% of the country that fits pretty well in 'the right' as a description, even thought there are variations, e.g., your evangelical and your libertarian fanatic have different approaches while they vote for the same person.

You're distracting, dodging, from the issue, by trying to talk about 'treating them as the enemy' as if that's the issue, not their behavior. It's like trump's argument that if we didn't test so much we'd have a lot less people with the virus. The only label I used for this topic is 'reasonable', and I think that is reasonable and has nothing to do with your concern about the labels. I did nothing to discourage 'merits'.
 
Torus34 said:
There are a very few who still carry the baton once held high aloft by Mr. Buckley. [Mr. George Will comes readily to mind.] They are an endangered species. Their voices are increasingly lost in the general noise and din of the talk radio hucksters shouting their wares.
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IMO, Buckley and will were always 'bad' and overrated, but they look far, far better in comparison to the rest.
 
Craig234 said:
IMO, Buckley and will were always 'bad' and overrated, but they look far, far better in comparison to the rest.
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Hi!

Thanks for taking time to comment. As I'm always willing to learn, who would you list as the best right/conservative apologists of the last two decades? And, while I'm at it, anyone today? I'm not seeking to come back with a rebuttal, btw. That's for trolls and other pests. What I'll do is explore their writings. I'll learn.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
 
Torus34 said:
Hi!

Thanks for taking time to comment. As I'm always willing to learn, who would you list as the best right/conservative apologists of the last two decades? And, while I'm at it, anyone today? I'm not seeking to come back with a rebuttal, btw. That's for trolls and other pests. What I'll do is explore their writings. I'll learn.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.
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That's a good and honest question. Unfortunately, the right has become so bad, that I can't think of anyone who fits that, which is why this thread was made. It's pretty nothing but corrupt plutocrats and blind partisans and crazies it seems. But it I wanted to try find some of the less bad ones, I'd say, look to the 'former Republicans' who have become trump critics. George Will is one of those.
 
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