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Aurora Police Department apologizes after officers draw weapons on Black family during stolen vehicle mix-up - CNN
This department has to have the most stupid people in the USA on its force. First they pull over the wrong vehicle. They "got the plate wrong". Then they have as many as 8 police officers on the scene and place all four children handcuffed and face down on the pavement. One of those was only 6 years old. I am sure they were really, really scared she would attack them. Probably with her doll. Fear is a terrible thing. Afterwards the department apologizes for their mistake, but assure everyone that the cops did the right thing and followed policy. As Forest Gump said, stupid is as stupid does and this is about as stupid as you can get. I understand a mistake, but to put cuffs on a 6 year old and have her face down on hot pavement while she is crying is just plain bad, bad, bad.
 
Unbelievable. I simply am at a loss for words. :(
 
independentusa said:
Aurora Police Department apologizes after officers draw weapons on Black family during stolen vehicle mix-up - CNN
This department has to have the most stupid people in the USA on its force. First they pull over the wrong vehicle. They "got the plate wrong". Then they have as many as 8 police officers on the scene and place all four children handcuffed and face down on the pavement. One of those was only 6 years old. I am sure they were really, really scared she would attack them. Probably with her doll. Fear is a terrible thing. Afterwards the department apologizes for their mistake, but assure everyone that the cops did the right thing and followed policy. As Forest Gump said, stupid is as stupid does and this is about as stupid as you can get. I understand a mistake, but to put cuffs on a 6 year old and have her face down on hot pavement while she is crying is just plain bad, bad, bad.
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Perhaps the police officers genuinely thought that, unless restrained, black children's hands can transform into razor sharp forearms like you see on a praying mantis when they are in severe distress and that they would then disembowel the police? That would be the only excuse I could think of.
 
The alternative potential is that a kid darts into traffic and the cops are blamed for their death because they weren't properly detained.

It's unfortunate they were mistakenly identified. It isn't the first time, it won't be the last. It's unfortunate that sometimes cops have to cuff everyone for safety, their own as well as the persons being detained. Sadly, hundreds and thousands of other cases where someone wasn't detained properly and went south, has made it essential for LEO to secure the scene and safely detain all persons of interest until the facts can be sorted out. The truth is that stolen vehicle calls go south quite often.

Of course, if you're just looking for a reason to go off on cops, well, have at it. That's essentially CNN's motive here.

Lastly, and most importantly, I'm glad everyone involved is safe and uninjured. Mission Accomplished?
 
independentusa said:
Aurora Police Department apologizes after officers draw weapons on Black family during stolen vehicle mix-up - CNN
This department has to have the most stupid people in the USA on its force. First they pull over the wrong vehicle. They "got the plate wrong". Then they have as many as 8 police officers on the scene and place all four children handcuffed and face down on the pavement. One of those was only 6 years old. I am sure they were really, really scared she would attack them. Probably with her doll. Fear is a terrible thing. Afterwards the department apologizes for their mistake, but assure everyone that the cops did the right thing and followed policy. As Forest Gump said, stupid is as stupid does and this is about as stupid as you can get. I understand a mistake, but to put cuffs on a 6 year old and have her face down on hot pavement while she is crying is just plain bad, bad, bad.
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To restrict the motion of the hands and make it harder to flee while an investigation is being completed.
 
independentusa said:
Aurora Police Department apologizes after officers draw weapons on Black family during stolen vehicle mix-up - CNN
This department has to have the most stupid people in the USA on its force. First they pull over the wrong vehicle. They "got the plate wrong". Then they have as many as 8 police officers on the scene and place all four children handcuffed and face down on the pavement. One of those was only 6 years old. I am sure they were really, really scared she would attack them. Probably with her doll. Fear is a terrible thing. Afterwards the department apologizes for their mistake, but assure everyone that the cops did the right thing and followed policy. As Forest Gump said, stupid is as stupid does and this is about as stupid as you can get. I understand a mistake, but to put cuffs on a 6 year old and have her face down on hot pavement while she is crying is just plain bad, bad, bad.
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How hot was the pavement? Did you measure it with a thermometer?

Kids cry, i mean look at the Floyd overdose video, grown adults cry too. it’s a stressful situation, keeping the child in one spot and unable to leave was deemed a priority.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
To restrict the motion of the hands and make it harder to flee while an investigation is being completed.
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Cops need handcuffs to prevent a six year old from fleeing?

Sorry handcuffs and guns :lamo
 
EMNofSeattle said:
How hot was the pavement? Did you measure it with a thermometer?

Kids cry, i mean look at the Floyd overdose video, grown adults cry too. it’s a stressful situation, keeping the child in one spot and unable to leave was deemed a priority.
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As someone in Colorado, I will measure it tomorrow. I would guess over 110 degrees if over 90 outside and sunny like in the pictures.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
How hot was the pavement? Did you measure it with a thermometer?

Kids cry, i mean look at the Floyd overdose video, grown adults cry too. it’s a stressful situation, keeping the child in one spot and unable to leave was deemed a priority.
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Yeah, it is actually stressful, being ordered out of your own vehicle at gunpoint for doing literally nothing wrong.

Probably breaks your trust in the police, I'd bet.
 
Schism said:
The alternative potential is that a kid darts into traffic and the cops are blamed for their death because they weren't properly detained.

It's unfortunate they were mistakenly identified. It isn't the first time, it won't be the last. It's unfortunate that sometimes cops have to cuff everyone for safety, their own as well as the persons being detained. Sadly, hundreds and thousands of other cases where someone wasn't detained properly and went south, has made it essential for LEO to secure the scene and safely detain all persons of interest until the facts can be sorted out. The truth is that stolen vehicle calls go south quite often.

Of course, if you're just looking for a reason to go off on cops, well, have at it. That's essentially CNN's motive here.

Lastly, and most importantly, I'm glad everyone involved is safe and uninjured. Mission Accomplished?
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I know exactly what is involved in a high risk/felony stop.

Being 'properly detained', in this case, means explicity taking kids and placing them in the rear seats of patrol units where they can't open the doors and, depending on their ages, putting an officer in the front seat to talk to them.

They were not cuffed for their own safety. The scene could have been secured easily with two officers and none of the bull**** that I saw.

It's not going off on cops. It's going off on idiots posing as cops.

None of this had to happen this way. You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Irredentist said:
Yeah, it is actually stressful, being ordered out of your own vehicle at gunpoint for doing literally nothing wrong.

Probably breaks your trust in the police, I'd bet.
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...and safely released once the facts were gathered. Calm down. This is how it's supposed to end.

Kudos! ...to the officers who stayed cool, sorted it all out, and handled it with everyone's safety in mind!
 
Tanngrisnir said:
I know exactly what is involved in a high risk/felony stop.

Being 'properly detained', in this case, means explicity taking kids and placing them in the rear seats of patrol units where they can't open the doors and, depending on their ages, putting an officer in the front seat to talk to them.

They were not cuffed for their own safety. The scene could have been secured easily with two officers and none of the bull**** that I saw.

It's not going off on cops. It's going off on idiots posing as cops.

None of this had to happen this way. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Well, you're the expert. :lol:
 
Schism said:
...and safely released once the facts were gathered. Calm down. This is how it's supposed to end.

Kudos! ...to the officers who stayed cool, sorted it all out, and handled it with everyone's safety in mind!
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Is it normal to hold someone at gunpoint "for their safety"?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
To restrict the motion of the hands and make it harder to flee while an investigation is being completed.
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I agree with you. It's the old monday-morning-quarterback thing. There's been several cases where the police have been too lax regarding making sure that the children don't run off..or grab the officers gun..or even run out into the street....and some serious sh!t has happened. Just because you're young doesn't mean that you are innocent. Some of today's children are NOT Shirley Temple. One other thing.> OMG!..they were on the ground for 11 minutes...James..bring me the vapors.I'm about to faint..How will they ever live again?..Geez...big deal. :)
 
So you can shoot him when he doesn't put his hands in the air.
 
So did you read the article? It actually doesn't say the 6 year old, 12 year old, or 14 year old were handcuffed. In fact, it specifies that the 17 year old and adult sisters were handcuffed.

In fact, this article specifies who was handcuffed, and it wasn't the 6 year old or even younger teenagers.

Black women and girls ordered to ground, handcuffed in mistaken stolen-car stop

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It's funny how things work.

Since people who make rules on behalf of the police are worried about looking bad if their rules ever allow one officer to be hurt, but there's no downside to inconveniencing suspects, the rules will shift more and more toward 'take whatever extreme measure against the suspect, no matter whether it's reasonable, to protect officers'. If it's a thousand excesses against suspects to prevent one minor problem, that's ok.

Since police will make mistakes, the people who make the rules on behalf of police don't want to excessively punish police for such mistakes. Get the number wrong? The rules say, 'mistakes happen. Forget it.'

The thing is, that sort of immunity, while it might look reasonable at first glance, can lead to a culture of negligence and excesses that abuse the immunity, because what's to stop it? No special effort is made to reduce errors. It might not be what was intended by the people who made the rules, but it can happen.

A related example, is police shooting people's dogs too much. The people who make the rules consider a case where a suspect releases a dog to attack an officer, and says officers have the right right to shoot dogs. Next thing, some officers might very casually, needlessly shoot people's dogs, because the rules allow it. Why not?

Push the rules one direction, and you get complains on one side. Push them the other, and you get complaints on the other side. But I'd suggest this is part of how you get more unreasonable actions. And having to 'apologize' when you get bad press for it. Because who in the rulemaking thought about this and was concerned about much of anything except 'protect the officers'?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
I know exactly what is involved in a high risk/felony stop.

Being 'properly detained', in this case, means explicity taking kids and placing them in the rear seats of patrol units where they can't open the doors and, depending on their ages, putting an officer in the front seat to talk to them.

They were not cuffed for their own safety. The scene could have been secured easily with two officers and none of the bull**** that I saw.

It's not going off on cops. It's going off on idiots posing as cops.

None of this had to happen this way. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Now that is a very sensible message and I truly mean that. Maybe you should go to that town and teach them sensible policing instead of whoever thought of what they did to those kids.
 
Schism said:
The alternative potential is that a kid darts into traffic and the cops are blamed for their death because they weren't properly detained.

It's unfortunate they were mistakenly identified. It isn't the first time, it won't be the last. It's unfortunate that sometimes cops have to cuff everyone for safety, their own as well as the persons being detained. Sadly, hundreds and thousands of other cases where someone wasn't detained properly and went south, has made it essential for LEO to secure the scene and safely detain all persons of interest until the facts can be sorted out. The truth is that stolen vehicle calls go south quite often.

Of course, if you're just looking for a reason to go off on cops, well, have at it. That's essentially CNN's motive here.

Lastly, and most importantly, I'm glad everyone involved is safe and uninjured. Mission Accomplished?
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except for the PTSD they will suffer.
 
independentusa said:
Aurora Police Department apologizes after officers draw weapons on Black family during stolen vehicle mix-up - CNN
This department has to have the most stupid people in the USA on its force. First they pull over the wrong vehicle. They "got the plate wrong". Then they have as many as 8 police officers on the scene and place all four children handcuffed and face down on the pavement. One of those was only 6 years old. I am sure they were really, really scared she would attack them. Probably with her doll. Fear is a terrible thing. Afterwards the department apologizes for their mistake, but assure everyone that the cops did the right thing and followed policy. As Forest Gump said, stupid is as stupid does and this is about as stupid as you can get. I understand a mistake, but to put cuffs on a 6 year old and have her face down on hot pavement while she is crying is just plain bad, bad, bad.
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Poor training pure and simple. Police departments training in Europe is years in some places, in the US it is about 3 months on average...and very military focused.

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independentusa said:
Aurora Police Department apologizes after officers draw weapons on Black family during stolen vehicle mix-up - CNN
This department has to have the most stupid people in the USA on its force. First they pull over the wrong vehicle. They "got the plate wrong". Then they have as many as 8 police officers on the scene and place all four children handcuffed and face down on the pavement. One of those was only 6 years old. I am sure they were really, really scared she would attack them. Probably with her doll. Fear is a terrible thing. Afterwards the department apologizes for their mistake, but assure everyone that the cops did the right thing and followed policy. As Forest Gump said, stupid is as stupid does and this is about as stupid as you can get. I understand a mistake, but to put cuffs on a 6 year old and have her face down on hot pavement while she is crying is just plain bad, bad, bad.
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Another example of what causes African Americans to not trust police and fear any interaction with them. No excuse. Those kids are going remember this and and it will effect how they view police officers in the future, including the good cops who do their job properly.

If I were the parent, I’d hire an attorney and sue the **** out of the city and the officers involved.
 
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