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The Stark Reality/Truth/Fact that Trump Supporters are not realizing!

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A little while ago today, I saw a Trump supporter state that "the U.S. economy is doing "ok" in MOST AREAS".

This goes to prove how little most people actually know about what is happening economically. Let me explain.


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The economy is not doing well. Keep in mind that the stimulus that is being given is what is keeping the stock market up and not allowing things to go belly up. It is what is making things look "ok" right now. Nonetheless, the GDP shows we are not producing anything for the economy (lowest GDP ever) and the stimulus is all fake from the point of view that money is being printed and that makes things look fine but the reality that is weakens the dollar strongly. With a weakened dollar, when we do go back to producing (after the virus is over), our goods will be very expensive because of the weak dollar and there is no solution for that. Having printed money means the dollar will stay weak versus other currencies. This means that for many, many years we will be a lot less competitive in the world market and our economy will suffer long term because of it.

One thing that you have not thought of, is that because Trump was not able to control the virus like they have done in Europe, the stimulus package that we have put together here is much, much more than was put out in Europe. The first stimulus package here was expected to have our GDP drop by 13% and the stimulus package in Europe was expected to drop their GDP by 7.5%. Now and since we have not controlled the virus, we are being forced to generate another stimulus package, which will drop our GDP even more. In Europe and because they have been able to control the virus better, it is not expected they will need further stimulus packages.

This is why what Trump is doing, in not taking the needed steps to control the virus, is so destructive not only from a human death toll point of view but also from an economic point of view. While the virus goes on and Stimulus continues, it keeps the economy up and looking "ok". Nonetheless, this is all "fake news" from Trump. Our country is going to suffer worse than any other country, simply because we did not control the virus and continued to print money to make it look "ok". The future, compared to Europe and China, is looking dismal and though that is not what is happening now, there is absolutely no doubt that it will happen. That is now set in stone.................because of Trump's actions.

Here is a link that explains about the stimulus packages that have been done as of May 11th in different countries.

How Global Coronavirus Stimulus Packages Compare [Infographic]

That was in May but now because the virus rages on, the economy cannot open the way we wanted it to, and more stimulus is needed (Congress debating that this week with the Republicans offering $1 trillion and the Democrats wanting $3 trillion), our GDP will drop lower and longer and our dollar will continue to devalue, it all means economic distress will be longer and deeper and more importantly, more than our competitors and that is dire fact.
 
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but wait...isnt this what you wanted? lockdowns, recessions,etc
 
I agree to a large degree that “stimulus” spending is not the answer and probably makes things worse beyond just the massive spending of money we don’t have. If it wasn’t for stimulus money muting the impact of not working, I think a whole lot more people would be demanding we open back up and that is the only long term answer to our suffering economy.
 
I agree to a large degree that “stimulus” spending is not the answer and probably makes things worse beyond just the massive spending of money we don’t have. If it wasn’t for stimulus money muting the impact of not working, I think a whole lot more people would be demanding we open back up and that is the only long term answer to our suffering economy.

You can't fix the economy until you render COVID manageable. A working vaccine is the only viable long-term solution.
 
but wait...isnt this what you wanted? lockdowns, recessions,etc

I know you are required to type that, but no, what people wanted is for Trump to take COVID seriously from the start rather than getting us into this mess by lying and denying, calling statements about its seriousness "their new hoax"

I agree to a large degree that “stimulus” spending is not the answer and probably makes things worse beyond just the massive spending of money we don’t have. If it wasn’t for stimulus money muting the impact of not working, I think a whole lot more people would be demanding we open back up and that is the only long term answer to our suffering economy.

Nobody who votes for Republicans means what they say about caring about borrowing. Bush took a surplus and turned it into 400ish billion yearly in deficits, largely through tax cuts and his disaster in Iraq. Trump took 550ish billion year deficits and a great economy and turned it into 1 trillion+ yearly deficits with tax cuts, and now were looking a trillions in one year thanks to his malfeasance on COVID.

You don't get to complain about deficit spending when the people you vote for keep blowing up deficits with tax cuts, followed by incompetence.
 
I know you are required to type that, but no, what people wanted is for Trump to take COVID seriously from the start rather than getting us into this mess by lying and denying, calling statements about its seriousness "their new hoax"

no, what you wanted was lockdowns and asked for a recession so that he would lose:Bill Maher roots for recession so that Trump loses in 2020 | TheHill

trump listened to his experts:Risk of coronavirus in U.S. is 'minuscule' NIH's Dr. Anthony Fauci says
 
but wait...isnt this what you wanted? lockdowns, recessions,etc

No, no one wanted that. Nonetheless, the Democrats were not able to do anything about the virus (that was in Trump's hands) and since Trump messed up, we are taking full advantage of it to make people like you see the reason behind "Trump is incompetent". Sadly but surely, it proves the point.

Human nature is to take advantage of opportunities. I mean, didn't Trump take full (and unfair) advantage of Hillary having a private server? He used that to the utmost to sink her. Did she have a private server? "Yes", it was a big mistake. Why don't you realize that this is exactly the same thing? Are the Democrats taking utmost advantage to sink Trump? "yes"! Did Trump mess up? "yes, as well"

Ever hear of tit for tat?
 
No, no one wanted that. Nonetheless, the Democrats were not able to do anything about the virus (that was in Trump's hands) and since Trump messed up, we are taking full advantage of it to make people like you see the reason behind "Trump is incompetent". Sadly but surely, it proves the point.

Human nature is to take advantage of opportunities. I mean, didn't Trump take full (and unfair) advantage of Hillary having a private server? He used that to the utmost to sink her. Did she have a private server? "Yes", it was a big mistake. Why don't you realize that this is exactly the same thing? Are the Democrats taking utmost advantage to sink Trump? "yes"! Did Trump mess up? "yes, as well"

Ever hear of tit for tat?

how did Trump mess up?

the emails was absolutely fair game after months of baseless attacks on his campaign in 2016
 
You can't fix the economy until you render COVID manageable. A working vaccine is the only viable long-term solution.

If the economy was opened back up, it would fix itself. Trying to hide from the virus until there is a vaccine is not sustainable.
 
I know you are required to type that, but no, what people wanted is for Trump to take COVID seriously from the start rather than getting us into this mess by lying and denying, calling statements about its seriousness "their new hoax"

no, what you wanted was lockdowns and asked for a recession so that he would lose:Bill Maher roots for recession so that Trump loses in 2020 | TheHill

trump listened to his experts:Risk of coronavirus in U.S. is 'minuscule' NIH's Dr. Anthony Fauci says

I'm not Bill Maher, and that is some seriously lazy gaslighting. Trump lied and denied for months, calling statements about its seriousness "their new hoax."


Lies dismissed.
 
how did Trump mess up?

the emails was absolutely fair game after months of baseless attacks on his campaign in 2016

Oh c'mon, you are not that dense in your brain, are you.

Here is a graph of how he messed up. Figure it out yourself.

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The graph shows the difference between us and Europe regarding corona virus.
 
If the economy was opened back up, it would fix itself. Trying to hide from the virus until there is a vaccine is not sustainable.

You know how many people were cavalier about this like you, then ended up posting on twitter that it's serious, and then they end up dying from it? Yeah, that.

It's either incredibly stupid or incredibly ghoulish or both to advocate for simply re-opening everything and letting the bodies drop where they may.
 
Nah.

That's a Trumpco lie.

no its not, it is obcious democrats wanted to keep lockdowns which would ultimately end in a recession and then blame it on trump(of course)
 
Oh c'mon, you are not that dense in your brain, are you.

Here is a graph of how he messed up. Figure it out yourself.

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The graph shows the difference between us and Europe regarding corona virus.

again how is that trumps fault when they are thosuands of people crammed in a space protesting?
 
I agree to a large degree that “stimulus” spending is not the answer and probably makes things worse beyond just the massive spending of money we don’t have. If it wasn’t for stimulus money muting the impact of not working, I think a whole lot more people would be demanding we open back up and that is the only long term answer to our suffering economy.
That's pennywise thinking.
We need to deal with the actual issue and then we can open up.
If just let the virus spread, we end up with those estimates of millions dead a year.
There's zero chance that massive deaths around the country for a few years would make for a healthy economy.

We need to bite the bullet and take our medicine while ripping the bandaid off.
Chickening out and letting millions of American die instead of fighting to protect them is loser talk from Donald.


The facts are
Americans are real
money is make believe

Money only exists because we agree it exists.
Americans exist even when you don't believe in them.


The real is infinitely more valuable than the imaginary.
 
A little while ago today, I saw a Trump supporter state that "the U.S. economy is doing "ok" in MOST AREAS".

This goes to prove how little most people actually know about what is happening economically. Let me explain.


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The economy is not doing well. Keep in mind that the stimulus that is being given is what is keeping the stock market up and not allowing things to go belly up. It is what is making things look "ok" right now. Nonetheless, the GDP shows we are not producing anything for the economy (lowest GDP ever) and the stimulus is all fake from the point of view that money is being printed and that makes things look fine but the reality that is weakens the dollar strongly. With a weakened dollar, when we do go back to producing (after the virus is over), our goods will be very expensive because of the weak dollar and there is no solution for that. Having printed money means the dollar will stay weak versus other currencies. This means that for many, many years we will be a lot less competitive in the world market and our economy will suffer long term because of it.

One thing that you have not thought of, is that because Trump was not able to control the virus like they have done in Europe, the stimulus package that we have put together here is much, much more than was put out in Europe. The first stimulus package here was expected to have our GDP drop by 13% and the stimulus package in Europe was expected to drop their GDP by 7.5%. Now and since we have not controlled the virus, we are being forced to generate another stimulus package, which will drop our GDP even more. In Europe and because they have been able to control the virus better, it is not expected they will need further stimulus packages.

This is why what Trump is doing, in not taking the needed steps to control the virus, is so destructive not only from a human death toll point of view but also from an economic point of view. While the virus goes on and Stimulus continues, it keeps the economy up and looking "ok". Nonetheless, this is all "fake news" from Trump. Our country is going to suffer worse than any other country, simply because we did not control the virus and continued to print money to make it look "ok". The future, compared to Europe and China, is looking dismal and though that is not what is happening now, there is absolutely no doubt that it will happen. That is now set in stone.................because of Trump's actions.

Here is a link that explains about the stimulus packages that have been done as of May 11th in different countries.

How Global Coronavirus Stimulus Packages Compare [Infographic]

That was in May but now because the virus rages on, the economy cannot open the way we wanted it to, and more stimulus is needed (Congress debating that this week with the Republicans offering $1 trillion and the Democrats wanting $3 trillion), our GDP will drop lower and longer and our dollar will continue to devalue, it all means economic distress will be longer and deeper and more importantly, more than our competitors and that is dire fact.

lol Americans dont blame trump for the shutdown. They blame the people who are doing it. Democrats. Damn, November is goimg to sting lefties...but good!
 
You know how many people were cavalier about this like you, then ended up posting on twitter that it's serious, and then they end up dying from it? Yeah, that.

It's either incredibly stupid or incredibly ghoulish or both to advocate for simply re-opening everything and letting the bodies drop where they may.

No, I’m not advocating opening up as if there was no virus out there but through this all many businesses deemed essential have remained open. Take safety precautions, sure, but all business should have the same options as essential business did. Businesses are resourceful but the one thing they cannot overcome is an inability to be in business.
 
If the economy was opened back up, it would fix itself. Trying to hide from the virus until there is a vaccine is not sustainable.

How does the virus fix itself?

Many other counties had a pragmatic national response of masks and quarantine and are now bask to relative normal but Trump was convinced that the virus wasn't serious but instead was a partisan play and as such he did nothing, so the individual states were forced to act.
 
no its not, it is obcious democrats wanted to keep lockdowns which would ultimately end in a recession and then blame it on trump(of course)
riiight

in this hypothetical world of your imagination,
what is it that keeps people from remembering it was Democrats pushing for lockdowns?

Americans just forget?
The Democrats just lampshade the issue?

It's not even an internally consistent CT.

Pretty sure you can come up w/ better bull**** than that.

I know I can.



The issue is the effen global pandemic,
not the lockdowns

The issue is Americans dying, Americans suffering long term and permanent physical disabilities,
not that they're out of work

Lockdowns are bad.
Being out of work is ****en awful.

Nobody is saying otherwise.

If we knuckle down and do wtf needs doing in re the issue, the global ****en pandemic, then we can avoid lockdowns and mass unemployment.

Pretending we can go on w/ life in a ****en global pandemic like nothing's the matter is ignorant af.
If you disagree, say this aloud.
Say it aloud right now.
"We can ignore a ****en global pandemic and go about our business as normal."​
See?
Not an option.
We must deal with the ****en pandemic. Full stop.

The longer we drag it out, the worse it's gonna **** us up.

We all need to get on the same ****en page and pull together in the same direction against the spread of covid.
Americans are literally dying.

Once Americans are of one mind, covid'll be whupped in short order.
Once we've committed ourselves to doing what we need to do,
we'll be almost done.

Americans protect America.
Americans protect Americans.
 
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again how is that trumps fault when they are thosuands of people crammed in a space protesting?

Really?, I mean really?

This has been discussed a thousand times before and you are still asking the question? Towing the Trump line?

You mean to tell me that our situation with the virus is any different than in Europe? Why did they get the curve to go down to close to zero and we didn't? Could it possibly be we did not do what they did? Did Trump suggest we wear masks from day one like they did in Europe? Did we do the amount of timely testing and contact tracing and use tests that were ready in less than a day like they did in Europe? Did we recommend business stay closed the same amount of time they did in Europe, and impose those guidelines more strongly that they did in Europe? Did Trump supply the necessary needed equipment to all states at the same price as they did in Europe? Did Trump follow the CDC guidelines like they followed the WHO guidelines in Europe? Did we recommend closing businesses within the first 1-2 weeks of the virus making an appearance in that state or city like they did in Europe? (let me answer this last question, just in case you don't know. The answer is "no", he didn't. It took him 9 weeks).

Do I actually need to remind you of all of this? have you been away from the board for the past 5 months?
 
If the economy was opened back up, it would fix itself. Trying to hide from the virus until there is a vaccine is not sustainable.
How does the virus fix itself?

Yeah, me too.

How does a virus fix itself?
Asking for a friend.


Are you one of those people who think viruses just magically disappear?
That the disappearance is part of the natural way of viruses?
There're some of those folks here on the board. dunno who told 'em that.



Or are you just willing to bet the lives of millions of Americans each year
on the idea that "herd immunity" is desirable or attainable
for this virus.

We don't have herd immunity for colds, flu, chicken pox, etc.
We were unable to attain herd immunity for small pox and a dozen other diseases we lived with forever.

There's some reason to believe that covid immunity is short lived.

Despite all of those uncertainties,
you're willing to err on the side of risking millions and millions of dead Americans
because ... the power of positive thinking?


You do know that many Americans who live are suffering long term effects, right?
Even some of us who had relatively mild cases still have swollen hearts and lungs.
They ain't gonna be right for a long time if ever again. [ we don't know yet. xpt for the amputees — we already know that's permanent ]
 
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