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Do we ALL AGREE that this Biden's VP selection is an "affirmative action" choice?

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Clear enough?
 
Oborosen said:
I'd prefer who was best for the job and not just someone who ticked enough boxes on a diversity questionnaire.
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The belief, and I think its a good one, is that there are non-whites and non-males who are as capable as anyone in serving as vice president.
 
Chuck9788 said:
Whoever Joe Biden selects ... it will not be the most qualified VP candidate. Rather, the choice is based on skin color (racism) and genitals (sexism).

This is an "affirmative action" VP choice. We all agree on this, right?
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Uh, no.
 
ludin said:
He never will. because he can't.

I look forward to 2024 actually.
I am in fully support of Nikki Hailey and I have a feeling that it will be republicans that will be the
first party to elect a minority woman for president.

It won't be democrats. They will have to find another message to run besides their worn out racist sexist
bull**** they always spew.
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I agree. It will have to be a woman who does not threaten men. Hailey has shown us she is up to the task.
 
 
Bullseye said:
He's not one of Biden's choices. Got anything else?
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So we only judge Biden's picks by the content of their character, but not the Republican's pick. That's pretty hypocritical.


One might look at it like this. There are colleges that used to be all male. They became co-educational. Therefore they accepted many women to fill their classroom seats that used to males. It turns out they were qualified, but had long been denied these slots. This is much the same thing we have here with Biden's criteria.
 
Chuck9788 said:
Whoever Joe Biden selects ... it will not be the most qualified VP candidate. Rather, the choice is based on skin color (racism) and genitals (sexism).

This is an "affirmative action" VP choice. We all agree on this, right?
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Again pure pandering to blacks that democrats do around election time.
 
Logical1 said:
Again pure pandering to blacks that democrats do around election time.
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Not pandering, but rewarding. Black women are the heart of the Democratic Party base.
 
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Our conservative friends here don't seem to think a Black woman can be qualified to be vice president, much less president.
 
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Chuck9788 said:
Whoever Joe Biden selects ... it will not be the most qualified VP candidate. Rather, the choice is based on skin color (racism) and genitals (sexism).

This is an "affirmative action" VP choice. We all agree on this, right?
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while u can argue it that way, what about the orange moron in the white house now? he is not exactly qualified.....
 
Cardinal said:
Alphaomega doesn’t need to state his preference because until now his choices were always men, and with one exception always white. His rage at the notion that there might be a black female is perfectly revealing.
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Thanks for not being able to prove your claim dismissed.
 
j brown's body said:
Not pandering, but rewarding. Black women are the heart of the Democratic Party base.
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So what is the reaction if he selects a qualified white woman?

Personally, I don't give a flying fig who Biden picks... I figure the man has forgotten more about politics than I'll probably ever know, and so I'm willing to defer to his judgment on who'd make the best VP. What makes me uneasy is this whole "it HAS to be an African American woman" push... No, it doesn't. Race shouldn't be a factor either way.... I think gender should be, though... women tend to be better negotiators. But race doesn't matter one way or another - not when it comes to the Vice Presidency. If your decision to vote for someone depends on the color of their skin then you're just as much a racist as someone who decides to vote against someone for the same reason.
 
Cardinal said:
Keep melting down.
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Whos melting down? Youre the one that cant find a single poat to back your claim. Thats four times you flailed. I openly challenge you a fifth time to show my posts that you claim exist.
5 times everyone!
 
ludin said:
Thanks for not being able to prove your claim dismissed.
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Well, imagine if your tv preference was The Simpsons, and you never had to state that preference because the only show on tv was The Simpsons. Then you get a roommate and he wants to watch Jeopardy. Now you're losing your goddamn mind because you might have to watch a different show. It's pretty obvious from that reaction that your preference was the Simpsons, even if you weren't forced to state that preference earlier.

Likewise, Alphaomega's preference was white men, which he didn't have to make clear because those were his only options up until now. Now somebody else is sharing the remote and he's losing his goddamn mind.
 
Good4Nothin said:
There are reasons all presidents have been white males. Women were busy with their traditional roles, and focused on their families.

Society gradually changed, and now women can choose a non-traditional role. Many are still focused on their families (which is GOOD), but there is a good chance of a qualified female politician running for president some day soon.
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This is some serious old white guy, "whitesplaining", here. Hate to be the one to break this to you, but.....women have been "choosing a non-traditional role" for a 50+ years now, and there have already been MANY qualified female candidates for POTUS.


It should NOT be forced. If a female VP is chosen mainly because of her sex, that devalues the accomplishment.
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Dumb, empty argument. The kind of argument that ALWAYS comes from white conservatives in these kinds of discussions.

Did you argue that Dan Quayle "devalued the accomplishment"? He was NO ONE's idea of the most qualified candidate...but he was a strong and clear signal to the burgeoning, increasingly more influential white evangelical base of the GOP at the time.

Ditto, Trump's selection of Mike Pence. Trump chose Pence because he needed to appeal to the white evangelical base. Everyone understood that at the time. But that was ok, because the standards of judgment are different for conservative white men.

Did you speak out forcefully when Sarah Palin was plucked out of the Alaskan tundra?

Obama became president largely because of his race. It was time to have a black president. That was so much more important than anything he did or said.
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Obama became president because he was so clearly superior to any other candidate in the field, and people realized that. Any time a campaign/election includes racial or religious diversity, those issue certainly become a factor. But the reason Obama won was because he was head-and-shoulders above the competition (and people saw that)...and because he was more in tune with the public on the major issues than the others.

Why didn't we have more black presidents? They are a minority so the odds of them being elected is lower. Same reason we never had a Jewish president -- Jews are a very small minority. There are many ethnic groups whose members never became US presidents. That is because they are minorities.
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Yes, it's true. Many white voters simply will not (or are less inclined to) vote for black or brown candidates. If race was not a factor for white voters, this FACT would have ceased being an issue after the Civil War. You could have saved a lot of words by just saying it.

Are we going to start choosing our presidents based on what ethnic minority they represent?
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We did that in every presidential election from 1789 until 2008. The only time this question comes up is when a non-white, non-male candidate rises to the top of the process.

It's a disingenuous (at best) and completely untenable argument...and it ALWAYS comes from the same people.
 
Schism said:
I'm not sure if you're ignorant or just lying. Either way, you're just plain wrong.

@blackvoices4djt | twitter
How black Republicans are debunking the myth of a voter monolith | US news | The Guardian
Hispanic Republicans? Yep, and they'''re here to stay, says author Geraldo Cadava
How the GOP Built a Loyal Hispanic Base | Washington Monthly
Why so many Latino voters are flocking to Trump's GOP
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:lamo
Are you serious? I'm not sure if YOU are "ignorant, or just lying"!

First, there is no movement of black or latino voters toward the GOP. None. That is borne out in the data every credible survey. Trump can expect to get between 5-8% of the black vote...and about 30% of the Latino vote (at best). 90-95% of African-Americans, and 70% of Latinos will not vote for the modern GOP. That hasn't changed. In fact, the trend is getting worse for the GOP, not better.

Secondly, 2 of those stories you linked were to the same book review. And that book does NOT suggest that Hispanics are trending toward the GOP, but that that is it surprising to see the 30% staying in the GOP, given Trump's record.

Lastly, the NY Post article you posted is ALSO based upon that SAME book, and it's title is entirely misleading (not surprising, given the source i.e. NYPost, is a Murdock publication). There is no "flocking" of Hispanic voters toward the GOP. NONE.

The previous poster's comments were accurate. The GOP represents a shrinking, slowing dying faction of the electorate: older, white, conservative, rural and suburban men (and about half of their wives).
 
Oborosen said:
I had no issue with Palin being picked, though her show was rather grating.
There was no indication that she was selected for the positon, simply because she was a woman and even then. The majority of the left still turned on her, simply for the fact that she wasn't progressive enough.

Death threats, smear campaigns and all manner of other nonsense was hurled at her.
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Yes, in fact, it’s well known that McCain picked Palin as a diversity candidate. Obama just eliminated H Clinton from the presidential race, and McCain was hoping to attract Hillary supporting women because women voters is a huge voting block

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Cardinal said:
Alphaomega doesn’t need to state his preference because until now his choices were always men, and with one exception always white. His rage at the notion that there might be a black female is perfectly revealing.
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At no point did I ever rage at the notion of a black female being elected. Ever. I have challenged you 6 times now to provide the posts you claim exist. They dont.
 
Logical1 said:
Again pure pandering to blacks that democrats do around election time.
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Was it pandering when Bush '41 chose a white evangelical (Quayle) as his running mate?

Was it pandering when McCain chose a white evangelical female, 3 days after Obama chose Biden over Clinton as his running mate?

Was it pandering when Trump chose ANOTHER white evangelical (Pence) as his running mate?

And, more importantly, did you whine about said pandering and/or claim that those 3 were not the most qualified for the position?

Just measuring your hypocrisy quotient, that's all.

If you don't respond (like every other right-winger who has been challenged with those questions), I'll understand why. It's pretty obvious.
 
AlphaOmega said:
At no point did I ever rage at the notion of a black female being elected. Ever. I have challenged you 6 times now to provide the posts you claim exist. They dont.
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Your entire presence in this thread can be represented by a single throbbing forehead blood vessel.
 
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