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Eliminate mail in voting?

Rawley said:
Did you really expect any different when I have to respond to posts with a four year old's understanding of the issues involved?
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Dude you are clueless.


But freaking hilarious. Lol
 
vegas giants said:
But it has never been done. Now suddenly you want it done during a pandemic. Why?
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We know why

A black man in the polling booth is frightening thought to the GOP. They realize a low turnout in Nov is Trumps only card to play now.
 
Rawley said:
The military does not vote by mail-in. They vote by absentee ballot. You are exhibiting vegas level ignorance in posting. Unless you know better and are posting like an ass, just to be an ass.
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Absentee ballots and mail-in ballots are the same thing.
 
Deuce said:
Absentee ballots and mail-in ballots are the same thing.
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Absolutely not.

A voter has to request an Absentee Ballot.

Mail-in systems send a ballot to every name on the registration rolls. Including the dead, people who have moved to Idaho, people serving time in San Quentin. Conservative estimates, up to 13% ineligible people.
 
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Deuce said:
Absentee ballots and mail-in ballots are the same thing.
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They are the same in that both are devices for increasing voter turnout, which is death to Republicans. No studies have shown absentee voting and or mail in ballots are meaningfully impacted by fraud. However, it is will established that cutting down polling places in heavily populated districts, which typically are Democratic districts, does discourage turnout and is fairly criticized itself as voter suppression, a kind of voter fraud.
 
Rawley said:
Although Federal law requires it, the democrats oppose it tooth and nail. Every time.
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What is "it" that they oppose? It's not kicking dead people off the voter rolls.

One recent GOP strategy has been to kick "inactive" voters off the rolls, while defining "inactive" as basically anyone missing the last federal election, which is too short and kicks too many off who are 'active' voters. At a minimum, someone shouldn't be 'inactive' unless they've missed two federal presidential elections. Some only vote that one time every four years.
 
Rawley said:
The military does not vote by mail-in. They vote by absentee ballot. You are exhibiting vegas level ignorance in posting. Unless you know better and are posting like an ass, just to be an ass.
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There's no difference. My state calls them alternatively absentee ballots, vote by mail ballots, and/or absentee vote by mail. Same ballot, same way to cast a vote. Get a ballot, fill it in, sign it, mail it back.
 
Rawley said:
Absolutely not.

A voter has to request an Absentee Ballot.

Mail-in systems send a ballot to every name on the registration rolls. Including the dead, people who have moved to Idaho, people serving time in San Quentin. Conservative estimates, up to 13% ineligible people.
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And anyone casting a vote for a dead person or someone in jail is committing a felony, and it might not surprise you that almost no one is dumb enough to commit a felony that might send them to jail to cast ONE illegal ballot. It just never happens in real life. The dead don't vote, basically ever. Several states conduct elections entirely by mail. No one can point to them and identify increases in 'voter fraud.'

furthermore, people move all the time. I moved from NC to Tennessee and didn't tell NC. I expect it's possible I could have driven to NC that first election and cast a vote in person, or perhaps by mail, but I didn't because it's a felony and I voted in Tennessee. No one casts votes in the place they lived and their new home, except a literal handful of very dumb people. If a prisoner votes, he's committing another felony. Prisoners are as a group stupid people, which is why they are in prison, but they're not that dumb, since voting benefits them ZERO.
 
Trump's attacks on mail-in-voting may be working, just not the way he intended:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...table-main_gopalarm-1045am:homepage/story-ans

From the article:


President Trump’s unfounded attacks on mail balloting are discouraging his own supporters from embracing the practice, according to polls and Republican leaders across the country, prompting growing alarm that one of the central strategies of his campaign is threatening GOP prospects in November.

Multiple public surveys show a growing divide between Democrats and Republicans about the security of voting by mail, with Republicans saying they are far less likely to trust it in November. In addition, party leaders in several states said they are encountering resistance among GOP voters who are being encouraged to vote absentee while also seeing the president describe mail voting as “rigged” and “fraudulent.”

As a result, state and local Republicans across the country fear they are falling dramatically behind in a practice that is expected to be key to voter turnout this year. Through mailers and Facebook ads, they are racing to promote absentee balloting among their own.


Think I'll make this a thread of its own.
 
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Rawley said:
Absolutely not.

A voter has to request an Absentee Ballot.

Mail-in systems send a ballot to every name on the registration rolls. Including the dead, people who have moved to Idaho, people serving time in San Quentin. Conservative estimates, up to 13% ineligible people.
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This is only the case in a couple states.

Also, so what? The government is aware that they're dead. The ballot can get sent back, that doesn't mean it gets counted.

Furthermore, this same thing can happen with absentee ballots.
 
JasperL said:
And anyone casting a vote for a dead person or someone in jail is committing a felony, and it might not surprise you that almost no one is dumb enough to commit a felony that might send them to jail to cast ONE illegal ballot. It just never happens in real life. The dead don't vote, basically ever. Several states conduct elections entirely by mail. No one can point to them and identify increases in 'voter fraud.'

furthermore, people move all the time. I moved from NC to Tennessee and didn't tell NC. I expect it's possible I could have driven to NC that first election and cast a vote in person, or perhaps by mail, but I didn't because it's a felony and I voted in Tennessee. No one casts votes in the place they lived and their new home, except a literal handful of very dumb people. If a prisoner votes, he's committing another felony. Prisoners are as a group stupid people, which is why they are in prison, but they're not that dumb, since voting benefits them ZERO.
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Who are these people casting the votes of dead people??? Lol
 
Rawley said:
Absolutely not.

A voter has to request an Absentee Ballot.

Mail-in systems send a ballot to every name on the registration rolls. Including the dead, people who have moved to Idaho, people serving time in San Quentin. Conservative estimates, up to 13% ineligible people.
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No.

I had to request to be put on the mail in voting list.

And I voted, and signed my ballot, and I got a text that they received it, and then one the next day that my signature was verified and counted.
 
Deuce said:
This is only the case in a couple states.

Also, so what? The government is aware that they're dead. The ballot can get sent back, that doesn't mean it gets counted.

Furthermore, this same thing can happen with absentee ballots.
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The Government intentionally mailing out 13% of its ballots that they know are invalid. Why on earth would you support such insanity?
 
beefheart said:
No.

I had to request to be put on the mail in voting list.

And I voted, and signed my ballot, and I got a text that they received it, and then one the next day that my signature was verified and counted.
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That is not the Democrat mail-in voting scheme. That is no-excuse Absentee voting.

This is the scam Democrats are trying to foist on us.

Vote By Mail | California Secretary of State
 
JasperL said:
And anyone casting a vote for a dead person or someone in jail is committing a felony, and it might not surprise you that almost no one is dumb enough to commit a felony that might send them to jail to cast ONE illegal ballot. It just never happens in real life.
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You tell me. What is the liklihood of them being caught, let alone prosecuted?
 
vegas giants said:
If mail in voting leads to voter fraud should we eliminate it for the military?
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Absentee ballots from the military amount to a few thousand per state. Perhaps 10-100 depending on the precinct. That's a huge difference between a few thousand per state and 3 or 4 or 10 million or more depending on the state if everyone voted by mail. We have only a bit over 1 million active duty military today. 43% of them voted in 2016 which means somewhere between 430,000 to 450,000 absentee ballots. That was divided among the 50 states, so the average absentee per state would have been around 9,000 absentee ballots. States with higher population would have had double to triple that. But 44% of our active duty military comes from the south, those states would have had the bulk of counting absentee ballots. But when you compare 165 million voters in 2016 to 450,000 military absentee voters, that a huge difference. There's no comparison.
 
apdst said:
Most Trump supporters have jobs and have to take off work to vote. They do hitch work, or travel to work, or are otherwise away from their voting precincts on election day. Be careful what you ask for.

My prediction: if Trump wins, the Leftists will blame the mail in voting. But, no matter what, the Leftists are going to cry "foul" if Trump wins.

I think the Leftists are hoping for a ballot cluster****, just in case Trump wins.
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"hoping for a ballot cluster****"?

Actively work to ensure 'a ballot cluster****', I think is more accurate.
 
Perotista said:
Absentee ballots from the military amount to a few thousand per state. Perhaps 10-100 depending on the precinct. That's a huge difference between a few thousand per state and 3 or 4 or 10 million or more depending on the state if everyone voted by mail. We have only a bit over 1 million active duty military today. 43% of them voted in 2016 which means somewhere between 430,000 to 450,000 absentee ballots. That was divided among the 50 states, so the average absentee per state would have been around 9,000 absentee ballots. States with higher population would have had double to triple that. But 44% of our active duty military comes from the south, those states would have had the bulk of counting absentee ballots. But when you compare 165 million voters in 2016 to 450,000 military absentee voters, that a huge difference. There's no comparison.
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I do not see a difference except in scale. I sincerely doubt there is large scale voter fraud happening from mail in votes. I doubt many people are casting votes for dead people
 
If we cant figure out how to to mail in voting in 2020 in the middle of a pandemic then we are the stupidest country on earth
 
vegas giants said:
There is a pandemic going on. Mail in voting is the natural solution


Low rates of fraud in vote-by-mail states show the benefits outweigh the risks
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Seems theory and reality are at odds on this one.

Vote-by-mail experiment reveals potential problems within postal voting system ahead of November election
Vote-by-mail experiment reveals potential problems within postal voting system ahead of November election - CBS News

Mail-in voting, for many, is as simple as sending a letter, but rules vary across the country for when a voter can get their ballot and when it should be returned. In 2016, more than 73,000 out of 33 million mail-in ballots arrived too late to be counted.
Many Americans are expected to vote by mail for the first time in November 2020 because of coronavirus concerns, so "CBS This Morning" sent out 100 mock ballots, simulating 100 voters in locations across Philadelphia, in an experiment to see how long one should give themselves to make sure their vote counts.
"We're gonna see somewhere between probably 80 and 100 million voters receiving their ballot that way," former Arizona election official Tammy Patrick told "CBS This Morning" co-host Tony Dokoupil. Patrick is now a senior adviser for the elections program at Democracy Fund.
For the experiment, a P.O. box was set up to represent a local election office. A few days after the initial ballots were mailed, 100 more were sent.
The mock ballots used the same size envelope and same class of mail as real ballots, and even had mock votes folded in to approximate the weight. The biggest difference: real mail-in ballots have a logo that is meant to expedite them. "CBS This Morning" was unable to include those the trial.
A week after initial ballots were sent, most ballots appeared to be missing from the P.O. box.
"I don't see anything back there for you," a postal worker told Dokoupil when he received the mail. "That's all I have back there right now."
After asking for a manager and explaining the situation to them, the votes were found.
"They had them somewhere else," the postal worker said.
Then, another problem — missorted mail.
"We got a birthday card from Mike to Ronnie," Dokoupil said, as he read a postcard mistakenly placed in "CBS This Morning's" P.O. box. "Have a sweet b-day. Get it? There's a bee on top."
The postcard, along with another piece of missorted mail, was then sent to the correct recipient.
Out of the initial batch mailed a week earlier, 97 out of 100 votes had arrived. Three simulated persons, or 3% of voters, were effectively disenfranchised by mail by giving their ballots a week to arrive. In a close election, 3% could be pivotal.
Four days after mailing the second batch of mock ballots, 21% of the votes hadn't arrived.
According to Postal Service recommendations, "voters should mail their return ballots at least one week prior to the due date."
However, nearly half of all states still allow voters to request ballots less than a week before the election.
Tammy Patrick said many states' mail-in voting policies simply do not take the postal system into account.
"So states like Ohio, you can request your ballot on Saturday up until noon for Tuesday's election," Patrick explained. "And that is the worst possible thing… you are setting up the voters with false expectations, and you're setting them up to fail."
Some Americans say they are hesitant to trust the U.S. Postal Service, despite pandemic concerns.
"I'm scared that it might get lost in the mail," potential voter Kim Tucker said. "I just want to make sure that my vote is submitted, like, I see that it's submitted, that it actually counts."
Another person, Shannon Zebley, said she "never" trusted the postal service and has "absolutely" had things lost in the mail in the past.
"I just don't trust the mail," yet another person, Laura Okechukwu said simply.
When Dokoupil shared the results of the experiment with Philadelphia Commissioner Lisa Deeley, she said the results were better than she expected.
After nearly 15,000 votes arrived late in Philadelphia's June primary, Deeley, who helps oversee elections, said voters are right to be wary.
"I can guarantee that I'm gonna get you your ballot, and if I get it back in time, it's gonna be counted," she said. "But I have no way of guaranteeing what happens in the postal service."
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vegas giants said:
There is a pandemic going on. Mail in voting is the natural solution


Low rates of fraud in vote-by-mail states show the benefits outweigh the risks
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Seems theory and reality didn't meet here either.


3 Weeks After Primary, N.Y. Officials Still Can’t Say Who Won Key Races
Tens of thousands of absentee ballots in New York are still uncounted and many races have yet to be called. What will November look like?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/nyregion/election-absentee-ballots-primary.html
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This was a mail-in vote also, was it not?
 
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