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Who WILL and SHOULD Biden pick as his running mate?

BrotherFease

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No poll. I want who you think Biden should and will pick as his Vice President. Lets see whose the most accurate. Here's the sample format:

WILL - Susan Rice
SHOULD - Gina Raimondo
SPOILER - Karen Bass
REASON - (Will) Rice and Biden were co-workers during the Obama Administration. (Should) Experienced governor in her 40s with a Harvard, Oxford and Yale Education. (Spoiler) Highly recommended by Nancy Pelosi, highly experienced.

Pretty straight forward. Tell who will, should and whose the dark horse/spoiler pick, and provide a brief explanation.

Keep in mind, there 13 candidates being considered for the position: Stacey Abrams, Tammy Baldwin, Karen Bass, Keisha Lance Bottoms, Val Demings, Tammy Duckworth, Kamala Harris, Maggie Hassan, Michelle Lujan Grisham, Gina Raimondo, Susan Rice, Elizabeth Warren and Gretchen Whitmer. The betting odds currently have Kamala Harris as the favorite. Rice and Bass are in the top 3. It would be "unwise" for you to pick a man for the VP spot or somebody not mentioned in the 13 names above.

MY BALLOT

Will - Kamala Harris
Should - Gina Raimondo
Spoiler - Susan Rice
Reason

(Will) Democrats love to pick Senators for the position. Harris has national name recognition and experience running for President.
(Should) I have a soft spot for Governors. Raimondo has been a governor for two-terms now, Ivy League education, and has a 76% approval rating for handling the Corona Virus.
(Spoiler) I have a feeling the delay has to due with his campaign staff being hesitant about Harris. Rice is somebody he's comfortable around and has plenty of WH experience.
 
I've been leaning Tammy Duckworth for a couple days now. She doesn't deliver a red state, but she is about as tough as they come, and would be a good pick.
 
It's probably between Harris and Rice. I'd be surprised if it was anybody else.

I think Biden is leaning towards Rice, because he knows her well, and it seems like there are hard feelings between him and Harris still, despite her campaign efforts.
 
Helix said:
I've been leaning Tammy Duckworth for a couple days now. She doesn't deliver a red state, but she is about as tough as they come, and would be a good pick.
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What is your official ballot? I presented in the original post the format.

Are you saying:

Will - Duckworth
Should - Duckworth
Spoiler - ?
 
FYI, I'd much prefer Kamala.

Much more youth and excitement to her.
 
BrotherFease said:
No poll. I want who you think Biden should and will pick as his Vice President. Lets see whose the most accurate. Here's the sample format:

WILL - Susan Rice
SHOULD - Gina Raimondo
SPOILER - Karen Bass
REASON - (Will) Rice and Biden were co-workers during the Obama Administration. (Should) Experienced governor in her 40s with a Harvard, Oxford and Yale Education. (Spoiler) Highly recommended by Nancy Pelosi, highly experienced.

Pretty straight forward. Tell who will, should and whose the dark horse/spoiler pick, and provide a brief explanation.

Keep in mind, there 13 candidates being considered for the position: Stacey Abrams, Tammy Baldwin, Karen Bass, Keisha Lance Bottoms, Val Demings, Tammy Duckworth, Kamala Harris, Maggie Hassan, Michelle Lujan Grisham, Gina Raimondo, Susan Rice, Elizabeth Warren and Gretchen Whitmer. The betting odds currently have Kamala Harris as the favorite. Rice and Bass are in the top 3. It would be "unwise" for you to pick a man for the VP spot or somebody not mentioned in the 13 names above.

MY BALLOT

Will - Kamala Harris
Should - Gina Raimondo
Spoiler - Susan Rice
Reason

(Will) Democrats love to pick Senators for the position. Harris has national name recognition and experience running for President.
(Should) I have a soft spot for Governors. Raimondo has been a governor for two-terms now, Ivy League education, and has a 76% approval rating for handling the Corona Virus.
(Spoiler) I have a feeling the delay has to due with his campaign staff being hesitant about Harris. Rice is somebody he's comfortable around and has plenty of WH experience.
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I still do not know why harris is considered a frontrunner, her entire campaign was destroyed in a single debate against gabbard by gabbard doing nothing more than bringing up her record. anyone who is as corrupt as harris would only drag down biden, as her record is in the open as being one of the most corrupt politicians, she makes hillary clinton and trump look like angels by comparison.

THere is something wrong when out of all the possible candidates as vp, the absolute most corrupt keeps being the most suggested, like the dnc does not care how corrupt the person is.
 
BrotherFease said:
What is your official ballot? I presented in the original post the format.

Are you saying:

Will - Duckworth
Should - Duckworth
Spoiler - ?
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I'll be voting against Tweety. I'm just talking about good choices here.
 
Hillary and Hillary. Anybody else is a 1 news cycle event and Hillary knows how to bring in cash like a pro. The Biden campaign is hurting on cash and having youtube rallies in his basement won't help him any in that regard. Telling Bloomberg to go **** himself was a critical mistake only Hillary can mitigate.
 
BrotherFease said:
No poll. I want who you think Biden should and will pick as his Vice President. Lets see whose the most accurate. Here's the sample format:

WILL - Susan Rice
SHOULD - Gina Raimondo
SPOILER - Karen Bass
REASON - (Will) Rice and Biden were co-workers during the Obama Administration. (Should) Experienced governor in her 40s with a Harvard, Oxford and Yale Education. (Spoiler) Highly recommended by Nancy Pelosi, highly experienced.

Pretty straight forward. Tell who will, should and whose the dark horse/spoiler pick, and provide a brief explanation.

Keep in mind, there 13 candidates being considered for the position: Stacey Abrams, Tammy Baldwin, Karen Bass, Keisha Lance Bottoms, Val Demings, Tammy Duckworth, Kamala Harris, Maggie Hassan, Michelle Lujan Grisham, Gina Raimondo, Susan Rice, Elizabeth Warren and Gretchen Whitmer. The betting odds currently have Kamala Harris as the favorite. Rice and Bass are in the top 3. It would be "unwise" for you to pick a man for the VP spot or somebody not mentioned in the 13 names above.

MY BALLOT

Will - Kamala Harris
Should - Gina Raimondo
Spoiler - Susan Rice
Reason

(Will) Democrats love to pick Senators for the position. Harris has national name recognition and experience running for President.
(Should) I have a soft spot for Governors. Raimondo has been a governor for two-terms now, Ivy League education, and has a 76% approval rating for handling the Corona Virus.
(Spoiler) I have a feeling the delay has to due with his campaign staff being hesitant about Harris. Rice is somebody he's comfortable around and has plenty of WH experience.
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LOL And you really believe Biden has a choice as to who his VP pick will be
 
beerftw said:
I still do not know why harris is considered a frontrunner, her entire campaign was destroyed in a single debate against gabbard by gabbard doing nothing more than bringing up her record. anyone who is as corrupt as harris would only drag down biden, as her record is in the open as being one of the most corrupt politicians, she makes hillary clinton and trump look like angels by comparison.

THere is something wrong when out of all the possible candidates as vp, the absolute most corrupt keeps being the most suggested, like the dnc does not care how corrupt the person is.
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Harris also pegged him as a racist. And it's not like California is in play. IMHO she can do the most harm to his chances. So I'm pulling for her.
 
MovingPictures said:
It's probably between Harris and Rice. I'd be surprised if it was anybody else.

I think Biden is leaning towards Rice, because he knows her well, and it seems like there are hard feelings between him and Harris still, despite her campaign efforts.
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Harris is devisive within the party and many blacks don't like her record in California, she also has loyalty issues. Rice is a liability since its well documented she openly lied to the American people about Benghazi but I guess she might have blind loyalty. Whitmere is a real risk since her handling of Michigan the last few months. I really don't see a white woman but then Joe may pick a man since he has memory issues.
 
Rawley said:
Harris also pegged him as a racist. And it's not like California is in play. IMHO she can do the most harm to his chances. So I'm pulling for her.
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LOOking at the other options, none of them have the baggage harris does, plus the vp does not win votes they are voting for president not vice president, but even though the vp will not gain any votes, they can sure cost them see the sarah palin effect in 2008, which mccain likely would have lost anyways but palin did him no favors.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Harris is devisive within the party and many blacks don't like her record in California, she also has loyalty issues. Rice is a liability since its well documented she openly lied to the American people about Benghazi but I guess she might have blind loyalty. Whitmere is a real risk since her handling of Michigan the last few months. I really don't see a white woman but then Joe may pick a man since he has memory issues.
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8 investigations said no on that.

There's absolutely no proof she lied.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Harris is devisive within the party and many blacks don't like her record in California, she also has loyalty issues. Rice is a liability since its well documented she openly lied to the American people about Benghazi but I guess she might have blind loyalty. Whitmere is a real risk since her handling of Michigan the last few months. I really don't see a white woman but then Joe may pick a man since he has memory issues.
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Yeah, because people reeeally give a **** about "muh, benghazi" right now. :lamo

All this **** you THINK people care about or even know about it, they actually don't.
 
Michelle. but she won't run, so

rice

only because warren and duckworth are move valuable assets as sitting senators

harris would be as bad a choice as biden instead of bernie. oppo against harris would be massive
 
Integrityrespec said:
They admitted the cause of the Benghazi attacks were not caused by a video.
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the best explanation i have read is the chicago tribune's version based on the 800 page U.S. House Select Committee on Benghazi:
... The crux of it is that during and well after the chaos of the attacks on the State Department's outpost and nearby CIA annex in Benghazi, Clinton and the Obama administration promoted a false narrative for public consumption: that the violence came from a spontaneous outburst of mob anger. Although Clinton confided to her daughter, Chelsea, in an email that night that an al-Qaida faction was responsible, for two weeks she let fester the story that mob action, not a planned assault her department might have anticipated, killed her employees.

The supposition Clinton and others held to was that the attacks were related in nature to political protests the same day outside the U.S. Embassy in Cairo. Those demonstrators were angry about an anti-Islam video. With the Benghazi attacks still unfolding, Clinton released the administration's only statement on the evening of Sept. 11, and she focused on the video. But the next day, Clinton told Egyptian Prime Minister Hesham Kandil, "We know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack — not a protest."
What she told Kandil was true, the report confirms: The Americans came under sudden attack at their compound by a force of about 70 heavily armed men. The only warning: the sudden disappearance of a Libyan police vehicle. Attackers approached the building, invaded and set fire to it. Stevens and Smith died in the fire. Doherty and Woods were killed in a subsequent attack on the CIA annex.

As hours and days passed, the report shows, inaccurate accounts of the Benghazi timeline inexplicably endured. On Sept. 14, White House spokesman Jay Carney said: "We have no information to suggest that it was a preplanned attack. The unrest we've seen around the region has been in reaction to a video that Muslims, many Muslims find offensive."

The administration looked for an official to go on the Sunday morning talk shows Sept. 16. Ben Rhodes, President Barack Obama's deputy national security adviser, sent a request to Clinton but never heard back. The thankless job fell to Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N. Rice had little knowledge of the events. She relied in part on background information from Rhodes.
Here the report gets at the politics of Benghazi, because it shows that among Rhodes' talking points to Rice was this specific goal to communicate to the viewing public: "To underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy."

In other words: In mid-September 2012, in the wake of a terrorist attack in Libya, with Obama up for re-election in two months and Clinton's own presidential aspirations at risk, the White House sent a lesser representative in front of the cameras. Armed with bad information, she insisted that four Americans died as the result of a spontaneous protest — not because of Washington's failure to anticipate a terrorist attack on an isolated U.S. compound in unstable Libya on the anniversary of 9/11.

According to the report, several Libya experts at State flipped out when they heard Rice peddling the demonstration story. "Off the reservation on five networks!" wrote one. "WH (White House) very worried about the politics. This was all their doing," wrote another.

Obama, too, went uncorrected publicly by Clinton when, in several public appearances, he conflated Arab world protests about the video with the terrorist attack in Benghazi. In a Sept. 25 speech at the U.N., Obama cited the video six times. ...
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rice was as culpable of communicating misinformation provided to her about benghazi as Colin Powell was before the UN regarding iraq's nuclear capacity


June 28, 2016: Editorial: What the Benghazi report reveals about Hillary Clinton - Chicago Tribune
 
BrotherFease said:
No poll. I want who you think Biden should and will pick as his Vice President. Lets see whose the most accurate. Here's the sample format:

WILL - Susan Rice
SHOULD - Gina Raimondo
SPOILER - Karen Bass
REASON - (Will) Rice and Biden were co-workers during the Obama Administration. (Should) Experienced governor in her 40s with a Harvard, Oxford and Yale Education. (Spoiler) Highly recommended by Nancy Pelosi, highly experienced.

Pretty straight forward. Tell who will, should and whose the dark horse/spoiler pick, and provide a brief explanation.

Keep in mind, there 13 candidates being considered for the position: Stacey Abrams, Tammy Baldwin, Karen Bass, Keisha Lance Bottoms, Val Demings, Tammy Duckworth, Kamala Harris, Maggie Hassan, Michelle Lujan Grisham, Gina Raimondo, Susan Rice, Elizabeth Warren and Gretchen Whitmer. The betting odds currently have Kamala Harris as the favorite. Rice and Bass are in the top 3. It would be "unwise" for you to pick a man for the VP spot or somebody not mentioned in the 13 names above.

MY BALLOT

Will - Kamala Harris
Should - Gina Raimondo
Spoiler - Susan Rice
Reason

(Will) Democrats love to pick Senators for the position. Harris has national name recognition and experience running for President.
(Should) I have a soft spot for Governors. Raimondo has been a governor for two-terms now, Ivy League education, and has a 76% approval rating for handling the Corona Virus.
(Spoiler) I have a feeling the delay has to due with his campaign staff being hesitant about Harris. Rice is somebody he's comfortable around and has plenty of WH experience.
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Will - Black Female
Should - Person most qualified
Shocker - A white male

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He should pick Condolezza Rice. If he does he will win. And if Biden can't finish the job then the nation will at least be in better hands. A win for everyone.
 
MovingPictures said:
FYI, I'd much prefer Kamala.

Much more youth and excitement to her.
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Don't give a crap about 'youth', and why would there be any excitement?

What has she done to get excited about? She seems like the Peter Principle personified. An empty suit so far. I don't see why people would trust her values, her innovation, much of anything except seeming like a corporatist Democrat whose interest in politics is just winning for the sake of of collecting titles.
 
beerftw said:
see the sarah palin effect in 2008, which mccain likely would have lost anyways but palin did him no favors.
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Shamefully, I think Palin might have helped McCain. I call her the female trump; Democrats rightly heavily criticized her, but Republicans seem to like both her and trump.
 
Helix said:
I've been leaning Tammy Duckworth for a couple days now. She doesn't deliver a red state, but she is about as tough as they come, and would be a good pick.
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She's not black, she has been disqualified due to her race.
 
Susan Rice is the best qualified candidate to be president if Biden had to step down regardless of race or sex.

Nobody cares about Benghazi except the Trumpers.
 
I'm just going to say who I think he should NOT pick: Kamala Harris. If you think Obama was at all a disappointment from the 'hope and change' rhetoric as he prosecuted no one from the Bush administration or Wall Street, quickly threw out a public option on healthcare, etc., he'll seem like LBJ compared to Harris, I suspect.
 
Will - Susan Rice
Should - Susan Rice
Spoiler - Whitmer
Reason - Whitmer or one of the other Governors (there are still more candidates in the running than those posted in the OP)

Harris least we forget utterly devastated her own campaign, first blowing her own kneecaps off and then conducting a Bataan Death March through the rest before throwing in the towel. Starting every press conference and every appearance giggling like an idiot is not very Presidential and that is just for starters. NOOOOO..... in a word......NO!!!!!

Karen Bass represents this new wave of Politicians both sides that are just oblivious to political reality. She is and has been a Congressperson from California. Somebody want to point out to be the anti-Castro or pro-Castro ex-patriot Cuban voters in HER district! Is there even one! The modern politician seems unable to keep his or her big fat STUPID mouth shut on any issue whether relevant to them and their constituents or not regardless of the consequences. They take every single piece of bait shoved under their noses. Biden has so far not taken any of Trump's bait. He does not need a running mate that can't help herself.

Beyond some of the Governors on the list, if I were picking from the Senate I would probably take Warren. She totally pissed me off during the campaign for her ability to constantly keep her competitors guessing. At one point Warren made the entire DEM Primary campaign about where she would jump next all while deftly avoiding something as DUMB as self-avowing as a Socialist and expecting to get the nomination of the party. Hassan is an excellent Senator, a model of what a Senator should be. Would hate to see NH lose her. Duckworth could be fine. But I simply do not like the modern Senator making it to the top spots in the Administration....cabinet secretaries fine.....Pres or VP.....NOT INTERESTED.

Susan Rice has never run for anything. That alone recommends her. Then there is her diplomatic background as well. I think she will make an excellent running mate for Biden, an excellent VP and WILL be as ready if not more ready than any of the others should the need arise.
 
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