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Social Justice is not a noble goal.

smallvoice said:
Show me where "institutional racism" is viable today.
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Ever heard the term "driving while black"? Cops and residents look upon black men driving through a neighborhood, particularly a predominantly white neighborhood, with suspicion, even with fear. Cops will pull over a black driver just because they are black. It happens every hour of every day in America. That is institutional racism.

There are other examples. Like the 2001 study where a resume and job application were sent to thousands of employers who had placed employment ads. The resumes were identical except for the name of the "applicant." Half the applications contained a very black sounding name, (Jamal, Lakisha) while the rest were white sounding names (Emily, Greg). The call back rate to the white sounding names was remarkably higher.

This is institutional racism. Today.
 
Kurmugeon said:
When we expanded the Sovereign franchise to include women and blacks, it was NOT called 'Social Justice'. In the case of women's votes, it was called the suffrage movement.
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It's hard to take you seriously when you make a blatantly semantic argument. Our society did not treat women fairly. It was social injustice. The same was true (and is still true) with Blacks in America.

We may disagree on what is or isn't a social injustice in this country but it's absurd to call social justice evil. It's as absurd as saying charity is evil or justice is itself evil.

The problem with people like you is that you cannot identify any social injustices you want to rectify. I guess you believe we live in a utopia. But the truth is you're blind to injustice.

The good news is nobody cares what you think anymore. You're quickly becoming as politically irrelevant as those who worked to preserve segregation.
 
Lisa said:
Jefferson was a Deist who hated the Christian church. Jefferson was accused of being an atheist during his presidential bid.






Antifa are opposed to fascism anti-Oppised, Fa fascism




Who are Antifa?
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ANTIFA is fascist. Everything about them is fascist. Their tactics and their goals are fascist. Calling turd a diamond doesn't make it so.
 
bricklayer said:
ANTIFA is fascist. Everything about them is fascist. Their tactics and their goals are fascist. Calling turd a diamond doesn't make it so.
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Up is down, left is right and midnite is noon too.........................:lol:
 
bricklayer said:
ANTIFA is fascist. Everything about them is fascist. Their tactics and their goals are fascist. Calling turd a diamond doesn't make it so.
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You soldier on using FAKE reality, just like Trump does on Hydrocloroquine. Trump tells you what to think, and BOINK, that is what you think.
 
"Social justice" is group justice. "Social justice" is opposed to justice for individuals, either for the perpetrators or for the victims. Whether or not any individual is a perpetrator or a victim is irrelevant to "social justice". "Social justice is between groups not individuals. In fact, "social justice" stands in direct opposition to justice between individuals.

Thinking of justice as being between groups, rather than individuals, is a natural consequence of thinking of people, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than as individuals.
Thinking of people, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than individuals turns justice into "social justice".
 
bricklayer said:
"Social justice" is group justice. "Social justice" is opposed to justice for individuals, either for the perpetrators or for the victims. Whether or not any individual is a perpetrator or a victim is irrelevant to "social justice". "Social justice is between groups not individuals. In fact, "social justice" stands in direct opposition to justice between individuals.

Thinking of justice as being between groups, rather than individuals, is a natural consequence of thinking of people, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than as individuals.
Thinking of people, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than individuals turns justice into "social justice".
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YOU are a perpetrating victim. Just like we are antifascist-fascists.
 
bricklayer said:
Social justice is just another way of saying group justice as opposed to individual justice. Social (group) justice is directly opposed to individual justice.
Indeed, group justice is opposed to the individual.

To those who deny that social justice = group justice, I have one question, how is social justice different from justice?
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The idiocy of this post can be summed up with one question:

Why do you deserve to be subject to a different standard of the law than me based on nothing more than you racial background, sexual preference or financial status?

That you think that everyone being subject to the same laws AND the same application of those laws is a bad thing says a lot about you.
 
bricklayer said:
"Social justice" is group justice. "Social justice" is opposed to justice for individuals, either for the perpetrators or for the victims. Whether or not any individual is a perpetrator or a victim is irrelevant to "social justice". "Social justice is between groups not individuals. In fact, "social justice" stands in direct opposition to justice between individuals.

Thinking of justice as being between groups, rather than individuals, is a natural consequence of thinking of people, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than as individuals.
Thinking of people, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than individuals turns justice into "social justice".
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Well, that is a pretty stupid stance, seeing as to how this country was created on the idea of some groups being better than other groups. See, in order to bring an end to things like that, you had to have members of the group that was given the advantage recognize that that advantage needed to be eliminated or extended to members of those other groups.

Using terms in the way you are, social justice HAS to happen NOW because social injustice was how things were to BEGIN WITH.
 
The Final Solution was a form of social (group) justice. Nuremberg was a form of individual justice. Social justice would have us hang every German every where, even if he fought to free the Jews.
 
bricklayer said:
SJWs have no problem stepping on individual rights as long as it advances their group's adgenda.
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And yet it is amazing how often the increases in the Group's power, ends up adding power, money, privilege and immunity from legal consequences for no one in the group, except for those at the top 1% of the management of the organization advocating for the Group's extensions of power, benefits and rights.

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Just enough to get their votes, not enough to make any difference.

Yet, along comes someone trying to make America better, more profitable, cleaner, safer,.... for ALL citizens, and the rank and file of the "Special" Group, suddenly find their lot is getting allot better, quickly...

No wonder the Lefties fear and hate President Trump!

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bricklayer said:
Social justice is just another way of saying group justice as opposed to individual justice. Social (group) justice is directly opposed to individual justice.
Indeed, group justice is opposed to the individual.

To those who deny that social justice = group justice, I have one question, how is social justice different from justice?
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[Bold face mine.]

Hi!

As with individual justice, social justice [Ed.: and corporate justice, immigrant justice, criminal justice, etc.,] is a sub-category of justice.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the Big 3: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.
 
bricklayer said:
The Final Solution was a form of social (group) justice. Nuremberg was a form of individual justice. Social justice would have us hang every German every where, even if he fought to free the Jews.
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Again, all of the difference depends of Individuals being held accountable to the LAW, rather than Group Identity driving actions based on Divisive Mob Propaganda.

In the case of Race, it isn't even something determined by genetics, as you would be able see the X vs. Y chromosomes determining gender, but on Mob "Judgement" of Skin-tone determining 'Race'.

My wife is Hispanic. My kids are mixed. My grand kids are even more mixed. The Albuquerque Public schools Race-Assessor, an Employee (actually, for our school, a Mexican Illegal Immigrant!) and made a Determination that all five of my Grand Kids are officially "White" and therefore do not "Qualify" for dozens of special programs....

But that's officially not a Institutionalized Racist action... because the Democrats said so.

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Kurmugeon said:
Again, all of the difference depends of Individuals being held accountable to the LAW, rather than Group Identity driving actions based on Divisive Mob Propaganda.

In the case of Race, it isn't even something determined by genetics, as you would be able see the X vs. Y chromosomes determining gender, but on Mob "Judgement" of Skin-tone determining 'Race'.

My wife is Hispanic. My kids are mixed. My grand kids are even more mixed. The Albuquerque Public schools Race-Assessor, an Employee (actually, for our school, a Mexican Illegal Immigrant!) and made a Determination that all five of my Grand Kids are officially "White" and therefore do not "Qualify" for dozens of special programs....

But that's officially not a Institutionalized Racist action... because the Democrats said so.

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One cannot be a: racist, sexist, SJW, ANTIFA, BLM or any type of Marxist unless they think of themselves and others, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than individuals.
 
The US is the only country ever constituted to prioritize the individual over the general welfare.
 
bricklayer said:
The Final Solution was a form of social (group) justice. Nuremberg was a form of individual justice. Social justice would have us hang every German every where, even if he fought to free the Jews.
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The selling of slaves was a form of capitalism. So capitalism will make us all slaves
 
bricklayer said:
One cannot be a: racist, sexist, SJW, ANTIFA, BLM or any type of Marxist unless they think of themselves and others, first and foremost, as members of groups rather than individuals.
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One can not be a patriot unless one thinks of themselves as members of a group not individuals
 
vegas giants said:
One can not be a patriot unless one thinks of themselves as members of a group not individuals
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Viewing your last three posts in this thread .. I have a question.

Have you had any coffee this morning? Is it enough ?
:) good morning....
 
Thom Paine said:
Viewing your last three posts in this thread .. I have a question.

Have you had any coffee this morning? Is it enough ?
:) good morning....
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Good morning to you too. Getting coffee now
 
bricklayer said:
Social justice is just another way of saying group justice as opposed to individual justice. Social (group) justice is directly opposed to individual justice.
Indeed, group justice is opposed to the individual.

To those who deny that social justice = group justice, I have one question, how is social justice different from justice?
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I suppose that's supposed to be some "deep thought's", I hate to discourage that. I'll accept that social and group justice are the same. Will you accept that "Justice" and "Fair" are the same? If so I will quote my mom; "if it's not fair (just) for everyone, it's not fair (just) for anyone". That was her way of telling me be sure that everyone got a treat, everyone got to play, everyone (all the kids present) was important. We could apply that philosophy Nationally; America would be greater for it. So, I disagree; JUSTICE for everyone AbsaByGodLutely IS "a noble goal".
 
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vegas giants said:
One can not be a patriot unless one thinks of themselves as members of a group not individuals
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One cannot be an American patriot if that one thinks of them self, first and foremost, as a member of a group rather than an individual. American patriots protect and defend individual liberty.
 
bricklayer said:
One cannot be an American patriot if that one thinks of them self, first and foremost, as a member of a group rather than an individual. American patriots protect and defend individual liberty.
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You have that backwards. Clearly you never served a day
 
Irwin Corey said:
I suppose that's supposed to be some "deep thought's", I hate to discourage that. I'll accept that social and group justice are the same. Will you accept that "Justice" and "Fair" are the same? If so I will quote my mom; "if it's not fair (just) for everyone, it's not fair (just) for anyone". That was her way of telling me be sure that everyone got a treat, everyone got to play, everyone (all the kids present) was important. We could apply that philosophy Nationally; America would be greater for it. So, I disagree; JUSTICE for everyone AbsaByGodLutely IS "a noble goal".
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The differences between groups are no more or less of an injustice than the differences between individuals. The differences between groups predates societies. Societies are neither the cause of, or the cure to, the differences between groups.
 
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