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  • The economy will soar, with just a reopening.

    5 29.41%
  • The economy will be lackluster, but adequate.

    0 0%
  • The economy will be down, but not as far as if Biden wins.

    2 11.76%
  • We are going to suffer. The die is already cast. Expect a depression.

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    Re: If Trump is reelected, how do you think the economy will fare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    You don't believe we can get to 15-20% vaccination levels by the end of next year? By mandating kids, first-responders/essential workers, and perhaps federal employees/contractors? If not, why?

    Also, do you doubt we will get to some non-trivial level of infected in the next 18 months? Say, maybe 15% or more?

    We don't need herd immunity. 30% will greatly impede the spread. In fact, 40% is often thought to be the lower-end of herd immunity.
    I'm doubting it because that requires a national coordination (not happening under a first term, let alone a second trump term when he's going to be a hundred times more dysfunctional and sociopathic), and because a vaccine is likely to provide a limited immunity time. Vaccinating enough people to get to herd immunity in the absence of a national coordination will be whack-a-mole from Hell.

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    Re: If Trump is reelected, how do you think the economy will fare?

    The economy will take off and do well no matter who is in office.

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    Re: If Trump is reelected, how do you think the economy will fare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm doubting it because that requires a national coordination (not happening under a first term, let alone a second trump term when he's going to be a hundred times more dysfunctional and sociopathic), and because a vaccine is likely to provide a limited immunity time. Vaccinating enough people to get to herd immunity in the absence of a national coordination will be whack-a-mole from Hell.
    Ah, alright. You're still under the thread's premise of a Trump 2nd term. Fair enough. I should have been more specific in my first post to you, which was generic in nature.

    Yeah, under Trump it becomes more dicey. Under Biden, it is doable I believe.

    Here is the scenario I see in apolitical terms. And yes, it may even work under Trump - key word 'may'.

    1st roll-out to health-care workers. They get a battery of vaccinations per their job, already. The hospital infrastructure to do this is already in place. Target group (20M).

    2nd, first-responders. Also well positioned with an infrastructure in place. Target group (2M).

    3rd, school kids. There's an infrastructure to ensure compliance (schools) and delivery (various current providers). Target group (k-12 = 50M). Add another 20M for college kids (infrastructure in place to verify insurance, can be easily modified to require a vaccination submittal). Total target group (70M).

    4th, federal employees. Again, a compliance infrastructure is already in place (HR). Target group = 2M. Add state & municipal employees for another 18-20M. Total target group (20M)


    That's 112M targets, where the delivery & compliance infrastructure is already in place to various degrees. To hit 15% of our total populace, we would need to vaccinate just under 50M (44%) of the groups above. Hell, healthcare-workers, first-responders, and government workers alone get us there! Throw-in a smattering of school kids, and we're at 20%.

    I think this is doable, Cardinal. Very doable. Mark my words: By the end of next year we will be well on the road to recovery. A combination of vaccination(s), antivirals, and herd immunity, will get us on the right track.
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    Re: If Trump is reelected, how do you think the economy will fare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Ah, alright. You're still under the thread's premise of a Trump 2nd term. Fair enough. I should have been more specific in my first post to you, which was generic in nature.

    Yeah, under Trump it becomes more dicey. Under Biden, it is doable I believe.

    Here is the scenario I see in apolitical terms. And yes, it may even work under Trump - key word 'may'.

    1st roll-out to health-care workers. They get a battery of vaccinations per their job, already. The hospital infrastructure to do this is already in place. Target group (20M).

    2nd, first-responders. Also well positioned with an infrastructure in place. Target group (2M).

    3rd, school kids. There's an infrastructure to ensure compliance (schools) and delivery (various current providers). Target group (k-12 = 50M). Add another 20M for college kids (infrastructure in place to verify insurance, can be easily modified to require a vaccination submittal). Total target group (70M).

    4th, federal employees. Again, a compliance infrastructure is already in place (HR). Target group = 2M. Add state & municipal employees for another 18-20M. Total target group (20M)


    That's 112M targets, where the delivery & compliance infrastructure is already in place to various degrees. To hit 15% of our total populace, we would need to vaccinate just under 50M (44%) of the groups above. Hell, healthcare-workers, first-responders, and government workers alone get us there! Throw-in a smattering of school kids, and we're at 20%.

    I think this is doable, Cardinal. Very doable. Mark my words: By the end of next year we will be well on the road to recovery. A combination of vaccination(s), antivirals, and herd immunity, will get us on the right track.
    Under a non-kakistocracy, yes, that is a good rollout and quite doable. The only edit I would suggest is replace #3 with the elderly, because that's the group most likely to get sick and die. Unless you're approaching this from the angle that kids are most likely to contract the disease and most likely to spread it, or at the very least vaccinating them sooner would allow parents to finally free themselves of this nightmare. This detail is probably a philosophical sticking point more than anything.

    Under a kakistocracy, there's not a chance your proposed rollout would happen.

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    Re: If Trump is reelected, how do you think the economy will fare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Under a non-kakistocracy, yes, that is a good rollout and quite doable. The only edit I would suggest is replace #3 with the elderly, because that's the group most likely to get sick and die. Unless you're approaching this from the angle that kids are most likely to contract the disease and most likely to spread it, or at the very least vaccinating them sooner would allow parents to finally free themselves of this nightmare. This detail is probably a philosophical sticking point more than anything.

    Under a kakistocracy, there's not a chance your proposed rollout would happen.
    That's fair enough. Thanks.

    Actually, I was attacking this from the point of existing infrastructure to enable the fastest market penetration. Every group I mentioned has an existing infrastructure in place to distribute and monitor compliance. Both are important.

    And yeah, we've got to get those kids vaccinated. Once they go back to school, they become the Typhoid Mary's amongst us.

    Check-out what less than a week of kids' summer-camp became, if you're not already aware:

    (NY Post) Georgia camp closed due to 260 positive tests for COVID-19, CDC says
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    Re: If Trump is reelected, how do you think the economy will fare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guyzilla View Post
    Trump says, that alls we have to do, is open up. That the economy is rearing to go. A VVVVVVV shaped curve. We have more death, more infection and more hospitalization than most if not all others. We have more scofflaws and antimaskers than all others. WE have a gov that doesnt think that gov should be involved in anything other than war, and maybe the economy. We have a gov that insists on putting all responsibility on the states, and particularly on Democrats. WE have chaos in trying to fashion opening strategies that dont kill customers.

    And so I ask.
    The questions in the poll you forgot to ask is

    "will there even be an economy with Trump still in office"

    Trump guarantees that nothing will get done right. Another 4 years in office, there might not be an economy left.
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    Re: If Trump is reelected, how do you think the economy will fare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luther View Post
    Well, I definitely believe we wont get the Trump 4, 5 and even 6% economy(LOL)
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