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Trump threatens to send troops to NY and Chicago

trixare4kids said:
Would it be too much to ask the O/Poster for a link for her claim before you start your anti-Trump political rally?
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Why except for a few delusional fools the whole world is anti trump...
 
calamity said:
Are you surprised that the Nazis are twisting and bending to justify sending federal troops into US cities filled with people of color?

I sure as **** am not. Nazis are gonna Nazi. It's a proven fact.
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I thought he was sending in Law enforcement, not troops. Did I misunderstand?
 
trixare4kids said:
It's hilarious, isn't it? Instead of reading the law, they're gonna' tell us the way it is... :lamo

NSURRECTION - 10 U.S.C. § 332 (2012)
§332. Use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority
Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.
(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 15; Pub. L. 109–163, div. A, title X, §1057(a)(2), Jan. 6, 2006, 119 Stat. 3440.)

INSURRECTION - 10 U.S.C. SS 332 (2012) Use of militia and armed forces to enforce Federal authority :: Title 10 - Armed Forces :: 2012 US Code :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia
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I have highlighted the parts that are under question in your posts. Please show us where the Department of Homeland Security falls under armed forces or militia. Are they part of the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, Reserve Components, or the State/Federal National Guard?

U.S. Code: Title 10. ARMED FORCES | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
Clause XVClause XVI. Clauses 15 and 16. The Militia | U.S. Constitution Annotated | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
 
Josie said:
Send them to do what?
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Hopefully to help out in cooperation with the local authorities, not to arrest people without charge, warrant or evidence of an individual's having committed a crime, as occurred in Portland. That's the worry, that he will let his fascist-like instincts trump the Constitution.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
He's got to keep throwing red meat to his cult.. He's already behind on the polls, but if he loses his cult it will be a bloodbath in November.

BTW yet another thing the military privately BEGGED him not to do, or even threaten to do. Send troops into the cities.. But here he is pissing on the military and it's leaders, yet again.. Over and over.. I have absolutely no respect for Trump, never have.. But I have lost a lot of respect for our military lately too, for them to constantly back this moron, and/or stay publicly silent on his dictatorial moves is weak and criminal..
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Well, in all fairness to the military, he IS their commander in chief. They are soldiers and must do what they are told. That’s what soldiers do. Insubordination to authority is not an option. This is who the American people wanted in charge of them.
 
ataraxia said:
Well, in all fairness to the military, he IS their commander in chief. They are soldiers and must do what they are told. That’s what soldiers do. Insubordination to authority is not an option. This is who the American people wanted in charge of them.
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He is not sending the military, he is sending federal law enforcement, apparently HCI that is part of ICE.
 
ataraxia said:
Well, in all fairness to the military, he IS their commander in chief. They are soldiers and must do what they are told. That’s what soldiers do. Insubordination to authority is not an option. This is who the American people wanted in charge of them.
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They have a duty to challenge and disobey unconstitutional/unlawful orders. ‘I was just following orders’ isn’t a defense.
 
trixare4kids said:
What is illegal about invoking the Insurrection Act?



What Is the Insurrection Act? - HISTORY
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Thanks for the information.

Right to Peaceful Assembly: United States | Law Library of Congress

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits the United States Congress from enacting legislation that would abridge the right of the people to assemble peaceably.[1] The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution makes this prohibition applicable to state governments.[2]

The Supreme Court of the United States has held that the First Amendment protects the right to conduct a peaceful public assembly.[3] The right to assemble is not, however, absolute. Government officials cannot simply prohibit a public assembly in their own discretion,[4] but the government can impose restrictions on the time, place, and manner of peaceful assembly, provided that constitutional safeguards are met.[5] Time, place, and manner restrictions are permissible so long as they “are justified without reference to the content of the regulated speech, . . . are narrowly tailored to serve a significant governmental interest, and . . . leave open ample alternative channels for communication of the information.”[6]

Such time, place, and manner restrictions can take the form of requirements to obtain a permit for an assembly.[7] The Supreme Court has held that it is constitutionally permissible for the government to require that a permit for an assembly be obtained in advance.[8] The government can also make special regulations that impose additional requirements for assemblies that take place near major public events.[9]

In the United States, the organizer of a public assembly must typically apply for and obtain a permit in advance from the local police department or other local governmental body.[10] Applications for permits usually require, at a minimum, information about the specific date, time, and location of the proposed assembly, and may require a great deal more information.[11] Localities can, within the boundaries established by Supreme Court decisions interpreting the First Amendment right to assemble peaceably, impose additional requirements for permit applications, such as information about the organizer of the assembly and specific details about how the assembly is to be conducted.[12]

The First Amendment does not provide the right to conduct an assembly at which there is a clear and present danger of riot, disorder, or interference with traffic on public streets, or other immediate threat to public safety or order.[13] Statutes that prohibit people from assembling and using force or violence to accomplish unlawful purposes are permissible under the First Amendment.[14]

Roseann:)
 
calamity said:
I told everyone that these ****ers were Nazis. Now, more people are starting to agree. I'm used to be on the cutting edge. It's where I live. :)
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No shoes, no shirt, no mask, no social distancing, dirty hands, dirty legs —> Go **** Your Self;

It’s hot ‘n nasty out. Peacefully protest, get routed/rioted by Boogaloo Barr’s Stormtroopers.

De-constructors —> SStephen Miller, Pompous Pompeo, Kamelot Kushner, SSteve Bannon, Blowboy disBarr;
 
Peter said:
Just as long as they wear trousers and call underpants pants like civilised people.
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You’ll notice the three posts following yours tell DPosters their location. It helps with debate imho. Some give their town. I gave my trump CD in IL.

All gave some. Some gave ALL. Welcome to DP. Obey the rules. I’m 66(.6) and can’t wait for MLBaseball to start.
 
Napoleon said:
They have a duty to challenge and disobey unconstitutional/unlawful orders. ‘I was just following orders’ isn’t a defense.
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Have to be very careful with that. That takes some judgment, and soldiers cannot simply disobey any time they feel in their judgment something is unconstitutional or unlawful. What’s the set up for for complete mayhem. They are not justices of the Supreme Court. They are just soldiers.

If people don’t like the commander, they just need to vote him out.
 
HumblePi said:
Here we go, it's beginning. Trump is on live right now and he's threatening to send Federal troops into other cities in addition to Portland. So far, he has only mentioned two cities, both Democratic controlled cities, Chicago and New York.

Stay tuned, it's all just starting.

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Trump just added a bunch of cities to his list. Detroit, Baltimore, Oakland and Philadelphia. "all run by liberal democrats"
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Which cities are Republican controlled? Not sure about NY but Chicago has been needing to be cleaned up for a long time now. It's a ****hole city.
 
Moderate Right said:
Which cities are Republican controlled? Not sure about NY but Chicago has been needing to be cleaned up for a long time now. It's a ****hole city.
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We have a ****ass PoS in #45 and a ****ing treasonous GOPutin Senate that has sold out our Nation, its Military, its Veterans, and its Citizens.
 
Moderate Right said:
Which cities are Republican controlled? Not sure about NY but Chicago has been needing to be cleaned up for a long time now. It's a ****hole city.
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It has been gang-controlled ever since the first days of prohibition and through many presidents both republican and democratic.

For over three years Trump has bragged about how there's been a reduction in crimes and how he can taken all the credit for that. It's common sense that if he's going to take credit for reduction in crimes then he's going to have to take responsibility for the increase in crime. Trump is misusing resources to guard statues and they're throwing every law enforcement officer under the bus essentially telling them that they aren't capable of doing their jobs.
 
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Linc said:
We have a ****ass PoS in #45 and a ****ing treasonous GOPutin Senate that has sold out our Nation, its Military, its Veterans, and its Citizens.
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Woah! Does this mean you don't like Trump or Republicans? People like you don't even deserve to be listened to.
 
Moderate Right said:
Woah! Does this mean you don't like Trump or Republicans? People like you don't even deserve to be listened to.
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Why do you worship a president who sides with Commies like Kim over our capitalist allies?
 
DHS head who is sending federal troops into US cities is not even a ratified head of the department.

There was a time this kind of thing mattered to Republicans. But, now that they are Nazis, the Constitution no longer applies to them.
 
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Peter said:
If the federal government can just decide they don't like how a state is run and just turn up I suggest they flood all the Republican run states and round up anyone with a MAGA hat because they may do something silly. It's for the protection of the masses and I don't care if states object.
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;) Comparing MAGA hat wearers that may do something silly to...

All of Those peaceful rioters rampaging in the streets of America!

Peace legal definition of Peace

riot | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

Rampage | Definition of Rampage by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Rampage

Roseann:)
 
trixare4kids said:
Would it be too much to ask the O/Poster for a link for her claim before you start your anti-Trump political rally?
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Apparently, as she stated, he was on live; all you had to do is open a browser go to your favorite news site and stream it; worked for me.
 
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