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How do we know the Covid numbers in the US are a SCAM

veritas1 said:
The point is that the eager little leftwingers anxious to point at our numbers and blame Trump are more than happy to believe the numbers out of China and India. Do you really think that a combined population of 2.75 billion people has just a hair over 30,000 deaths? That China has 4,600 deaths?
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I don't have any idea about India but I think China is lying like crazy.

Now, that doesn't change our horrible response and that our leader said our 15 cases were going to go away.

Con man conith.
 
CaughtInThe said:
I don't. I believe China is lying their ass off.

That doesn't change what is happening in our country though.
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So wouldn't it make more sense to enforce parameters that safeguards protesters as well as people who attend rallies?
 
iguanaman said:
So the 2 countries with the most cases have the most deaths. That seems impossible to you? You are not thinking clearly.
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I find it increasingly aggravating that we are excepting two opposite parameters depending on circumstances.

1. We either have the largest death rate (or one of the largest) but it doesn't effect anyone on the state levels to stop mass gatherings with little or no social distancing or mask for political reasons

2. Or the numbers are skewed so we are allowing mass gatherings with little or no social distancing or mask for political reasons and its just kind of in your face

Neither one will have a positive effect moving forward
 
uptower said:
Just woken up from a coma or what?

Yes of all the tested cases and known deaths those are the numbers. There are likely more undocumented cases. So far America has the highest recorded figures not because of the quality of hospitals and doctors' ability but because leaders and followers have ignored health guidelines to slow infection in the first place.
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We are listing cases and deaths by less than scientific methods. Death certificates are including Covid as a contributing cause to anything that is the cause of death in hospitals because they pay more money to the hospital for a patient that dies of Covid. Democrats are pushing this so in effect we are incentivizing exaggeration of causes of death. The cases are not all even tested cases. If they can reasonably say you were exposed because someone in your family tested positive they list you as a case.
We exaggerate adn other countries lie about their numbers, China, India, Russia are clearly not keeping an honest count.
 
JLXC said:
COVID-19 death certificate change stirs controversy | MPR News
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Sorry but an anecdote from April doesn't prove "everything" is coded a COVID death. What's with the terrible arguments?

Someone did something wrong in this isolated case, so ALL DEATHS ARE RECORDED AS COVID AND IT'S A FRAUD!!!!! As I said in another post, CDC tracks 'excess' deaths. If a bunch of ordinary deaths were being classified as COVID, we'd see COVID death numbers far exceeding 'excess' deaths, because authorities are taking ordinary heart attacks or whatever and fraudulently claiming they're due to COVID. We don't see that. What the data show is excess deaths are MORE than those recorded as COVID implying, if anything, undercounts of COVID.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

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Integrityrespec said:
Death certificates are including Covid as a contributing cause to anything that is the cause of death in hospitals because they pay more money to the hospital for a patient that dies of Covid. Democrats are pushing this so in effect we are incentivizing exaggeration of causes of death.
We exaggerate and other countries lie about their numbers, China, India, Russia are clearly not keeping an honest count.
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This belongs in the conspiracy theory section. Are there any valid sources for this?
 
iguanaman said:
You claim that mask mandates deprive people of their rights. Most all protesters wore masks and were outdoors. There is no evidence of any mass spreading from those protests. Trump's indoor rally in Oklahoma is another story.

3 Weeks After Trump'''s Rally, Oklahoma Sees Record COVID-19 Cases | Time
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What I am saying is there is a double standard. During the first 3 weeks of riots there wasn't a single media claim about anything having to do with Covid. Nothing, Nada. I was listening every day for that very claim and it was never made.

But when Trump was advertising holding a rally, mask and social distancing all of a sudden became a thing again. If there was a rise in record Covid cases due to 6000 people at a rally location that holds 19,000, then why isn't there a dramatic rise in hundreds of thousands gathering over 5 weeks to protest?

As far as your assertion that most protesters are wearing mask, that simply isn't the case. I could provide you with dozens of current pictures that do no support that claim.

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Integrityrespec said:
We are listing cases and deaths by less than scientific methods. Death certificates are including Covid as a contributing cause to anything that is the cause of death in hospitals because they pay more money to the hospital for a patient that dies of Covid. Democrats are pushing this so in effect we are incentivizing exaggeration of causes of death. The cases are not all even tested cases. If they can reasonably say you were exposed because someone in your family tested positive they list you as a case.
We exaggerate adn other countries lie about their numbers, China, India, Russia are clearly not keeping an honest count.
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Great, so you're alleging massive Medicare fraud across the country, with no evidence. Sounds about right for this latest right wing CT. Evidence? Who needs evidence?!!! Someone said it on YouTube!! Q.E.D.!!
 
Condor060 said:
Again, I never said anything about the virus being a hoax or the world inflating numbers to make Trump look bad. But feel free to make up what ever you need too to try and get your point across.

In the real world, These are the numbers of deaths per 1 million populations

USA 430
Brazil 367
India 19
Russia 84
South Africa 81
Mexico 297
Germany 109
Canada 234
Ukraine 34
Switzerland 227

With over 140 countries and territories reporting under 100

So either were are fudging the numbers

or

these idiot Democrat Mayors and Governors allowing the ongoing protesters gather with no social distancing and very few masking up are the reason for the higher numbers.

I'll let you decide
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In the real world

UK: 680.5
Spain: 605.5
France: 450.1
Italy: 580.6
Germany: 109.5
Sweden: 549.3
USA: 424.8

I mean, Germany must be doing something right. But quit cherry picking data to make it seem like the US is somehow so far out of league with everything else. We're on order, and even a little below, most of Europe.

And don't lie about you saying this isn't a hoax. The title of your stupid ass thread is "Do we know covid numbers in the US are a scam".

Yes we know, no they are not a scam.

Your dumb ****ing piece of **** argument has fallen apart.
 
Condor060 said:
So wouldn't it make more sense to enforce parameters that safeguards protesters as well as people who attend rallies?
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i'm for doing the smart things during a pandemic to save lives.

now, i'm not sure what that has to do with your thread though. hell, i'm agreeing with you (China probably lying their ass off) and if they are our numbers, percentage wise, probably aren't quite as high as they appear.
 
CaughtInThe said:
i'm for doing the smart things during a pandemic to save lives.

now, i'm not sure what that has to do with your thread though. hell, i'm agreeing with you (China probably lying their ass off) and if they are our numbers, percentage wise, probably aren't quite as high as they appear.
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I actually was talking about India. I don't believe anything out of China. Instead of the media touting the highest death rates (or one of the highest) on the planet, then going silent on hundreds of thousands of protesters gathering over 5 weeks, then arguing that a Trump rally with 6000 people in a 19,000 seating capacity is the problem, these Governors and Mayors should be mandating mask and social distancing for ANYONE going to a rally or a protest.

If we have the highest death rate, why aren't we acting like it? I don't care which event you want to attend.

This isn't the current case

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Ikari said:
In the real world

UK: 680.5
Spain: 605.5
France: 450.1
Italy: 580.6
Germany: 109.5
Sweden: 549.3
USA: 424.8

I mean, Germany must be doing something right. But quit cherry picking data to make it seem like the US is somehow so far out of league with everything else. We're on order, and even a little below, most of Europe.

And don't lie about you saying this isn't a hoax. The title of your stupid ass thread is "Do we know covid numbers in the US are a scam".

Yes we know, no they are not a scam.

Your dumb ****ing piece of **** argument has fallen apart.
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Wow, and you're are supposed to be a moderator? How classy are you?
 
Condor060 said:
I actually was talking about India. I don't believe anything out of China. Instead of the media touting the highest death rates (or one of the highest) on the planet, then going silent on hundreds of thousands of protesters gathering over 5 weeks, then arguing that a Trump rally with 6000 people in a 19,000 seating capacity is the problem, these Governors and Mayors should be mandating mask and social distancing for ANYONE going to a rally or a protest.

If we have the highest death rate, why aren't we acting like it? I don't care which event you want to attend.

This isn't the current case

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Ikari said:
In the real world

UK: 680.5
Spain: 605.5
France: 450.1
Italy: 580.6
Germany: 109.5
Sweden: 549.3
USA: 424.8

I mean, Germany must be doing something right. But quit cherry picking data to make it seem like the US is somehow so far out of league with everything else. We're on order, and even a little below, most of Europe.

And don't lie about you saying this isn't a hoax. The title of your stupid ass thread is "Do we know covid numbers in the US are a scam".

Yes we know, no they are not a scam.

Your dumb ****ing piece of **** argument has fallen apart.
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This is grossly out of line.
 
Condor060 said:
Like I stated, these Governors and Mayors should be mandating mask and social distancing for ANYONE going to a rally or a protest.
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Oddly, those people get a total pass on masks. That proves this whole thing is a fraud.
 
Condor060 said:
Wow, and you're are supposed to be a moderator? How classy are you?
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So classy, I can do math and compare apples to apples. Unlike some other folk who seem to cherry pick data in order to skew an argument.

Good job not being able to address the facts that I posted. But don't let that get in your way of trying to claim Covid as some scam.

lol
 
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