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Florida's Desantis is out of his mind!!!

It's up to the voters to get rid of him. He's got two years left on this term. Let's see what happens.
 
not true.

I have grandchildren in Florida. desantis has given parents the choice to go to school or stay home and attend virtual classes. they need to go to school and live a normal life.

A normal life? LMAO

Masked up, temp checked, and quarantined when anyone gets COVID in their classroom? That's not normal. Announcements of dying school staff, teachers, etc. Not normal.
You can't just pretend we don't have a pandemic. At least at home, you can make it as pleasant and normal as possible.

This is not a joke, and Floridas' handling of this pandemic will affect all of America. Get over the denial and get with the program so most of us who are sane can get back to real normal life. Do you not have access to how other countries have limited this virus so much that they are indeed living normally again? It's easy to find.

America just looks so stupid and ill-equipped. Stop helping.
 
It's probably because of the University of West Florida investigation started last year (see below), but it looks like real class attendance and/or virtual attendance for kids are still available in Florida.

November 2019: "According to a Florida College System report, the University of West Florida should no longer host the Complete Florida Plus Program.

The report, prepared by the Learning Resources Standing Committee, says UWF is “demonstrating an inability to manage” the program, which oversees Florida Virtual Campus and the Florida Academic Library Service Cooperative, among other things. ...

“UWF currently charges the maximum overhead amount for managing the CFPP program at 5%. With the CFPP funding allocation form the Legislature at approximately $23,000,000, the overhead charge to the program is in excess of $1,000,000 per year for UWF. Those charges are above the direct costs already funded from the CFPP budget, including leases and administrative personnel,” the report states. ..."


Report: UWF ‘demonstrating an inability to manage’ Complete Florida Plus
It's an interesting find, but I don't know. Your article claims DeSantis was concerned with UWF's management of the program, and their $1M management fee. But today's article seems to claim he killed the entire 29M program.
 
I don't care what anyone says either. Protesting with the way things were going was the absolutely dumbest thing to do. You can't convince me that didn't help start the setback.

Not as bad as indoors as studies suggest but yeah, bad timing to say the least. That cop should have waited to kill that dude next year.
 
It's an interesting find, but I don't know. Your article claims DeSantis was concerned with UWF's management of the program, and their $1M management fee. But today's article seems to claim he killed the entire 29M program.


Correct. But it doesn't affect the virtual classroom studying in Florida for k through 12th grade. See post #23.
 
I read your welcome post in advance of my arriving to the thread and I considered that I extended it. You and I see the same thing, among others who see it and who recognize this Republican mob in the state capitals and the nation's capital will have to go in one Constitutional way or the other. It's the course that we're on anyway at this point.
Thanks, then!

Think of it. Why else would Kemp legislatively prevent Bottoms from protecting her residents? She rolled-back one level in her plan, and Kemp publicly declared her mandate was not legal nor enforceable, since his mandate legally over-rode hers. He virtually instructed the city residents that they need not follow her mandate!
 
I don't care what anyone says either. Protesting with the way things were going was the absolutely dumbest thing to do. You can't convince me that didn't help start the setback.

Agreed. Irresponsible behaviour, is irresponsible behavior. Regardless of the rationale.
 
Nourished, lucrative, paranoia? C'mon Chompsy, don't sell your soul. Think and be impartial. Please.
I dunno' Lovebug. I appreciate your being the voice of reason, the voice of moderation. But I've been watching FL elections for awhile, including how they seemingly stole the 2018 Gubernatorial.

Suppressing mail-in voting, and tolerating a high amount of Covid, both suppress the Dem vote. That might not be the goal. The goal may be an attempt to resemble normalcy in the economy and education, while tolerating higher Covid. But if that higher Covid assists the state staying Republican, I can't imagine they GOP would see that as a problem.
 
Nonsense! My gosh, you people ... :roll:

July 6, 2020 TAMPA — "When students complete classes in a Florida virtual school, the public money tied to them flows away from their local district and often to a private company.

That wrinkle in state education funding is one of the reasons why school districts are beefing up their in-house virtual programs as the COVID-19 crisis continues, ensuring that demand for online learning will continue to be high. ...

Districts want to hold onto students who wish to learn at home, while protecting jobs for teachers, who can transfer into virtual jobs. While opening dates remain uncertain because of the escalating growth in coronavirus cases, no one doubts that a significant percent will opt for at-home learning, no matter what."


Florida school districts beef up virtual programs to keep students
Yes, but both of your sources are prior to DeSantis' recent order:

PALM BEACH, Fla. – As Florida educators puzzle over how to start the new academic year, Gov. Ron DeSantis’ administration seemed to scramble its plans Monday. A new state edict called on public schools to provide in-person classes five days a week.

Source: (USA Today) Can Gov. DeSantis force Florida schools to reopen amid the coronavirus pandemic? Some school leaders seem doubtful

The article seems pretty unambiguous here, Barnacle.
 
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all to support a President who feeds the Confederates a dream of regaining their social standing (their God given birthright).


it's sick.
 
A normal life? LMAO

Masked up, temp checked, and quarantined when anyone gets COVID in their classroom? That's not normal. Announcements of dying school staff, teachers, etc. Not normal.
You can't just pretend we don't have a pandemic. At least at home, you can make it as pleasant and normal as possible.

This is not a joke, and Floridas' handling of this pandemic will affect all of America. Get over the denial and get with the program so most of us who are sane can get back to real normal life. Do you not have access to how other countries have limited this virus so much that they are indeed living normally again? It's easy to find.

America just looks so stupid and ill-equipped. Stop helping.

A normal life? LMAO

Masked up, temp checked, and quarantined when anyone gets COVID in their classroom? That's not normal. Announcements of dying school staff, teachers, etc. Not normal.
You can't just pretend we don't have a pandemic. At least at home, you can make it as pleasant and normal as possible.

This is not a joke, and Floridas' handling of this pandemic will affect all of America. Get over the denial and get with the program so most of us who are sane can get back to real normal life. Do you not have access to how other countries have limited this virus so much that they are indeed living normally again? It's easy to find.

America just looks so stupid and ill-equipped. Stop helping.

This is the new normal. Covid is here to stay like a yearly flu. We go to restaurants, shop, go to the beach, get hair and nails done, but we do wear a mask. NY will fine you $2,000 for forgetting your mask. Florida will warn you. Other states arrest you for playing ball with your kid. Florida won't.

The only reason our cases spiked is because they are testing 100,000 a day and they piled up on the weekend. A recent article actually pinned the new spread to protesters and illegals crossing the border.

In the end you shall see just how well Florida handled the virus while maintaining the economy. Life is great in Florida!
 
DeSantis kills online learning program amid virus resurgence
Not only is he the real do nothing to help governor as his state gets overrun by this virus, but he is going to force his schools to open and to insure they can not go online, he had he money for such assistance for schools eliminated from the Florida budget. He has to either be out of his mind or the worst politician ever or both. I know he lives and dies by Trump's orders from on high, but this is not a good move. Let me know what you think about his actions.

The Soviets were idealogues who valued their ideology more than the truth. It's the same with Trump and his cult.

Trump is the enemy of the truth. That's why he needs to get rid of Fauci and anyone who tells the truth. His government and his false ego inflated persona are all based on lies so he recoils from the truth.
 
Yes, but both of your sources are prior to DeSantis' recent order:
Source: (USA Today) Can Gov. DeSantis force Florida schools to reopen amid the coronavirus pandemic? Some school leaders seem doubtful
The article seems pretty unambiguous here, Barnacle.


De Santis veto vote happened 2 weeks ago ...

July 1, 2020 TAMPA, Fla. — Gov. Ron DeSantis vetoed a list of items on Tuesday, but one of those included the entire budget for an online education service that helps students get a higher education degree for free.

The program, Complete Florida, saw its entire $29.4 million budget disappear come Wednesday morning, leaving thousands of students and teachers in limbo. ..."


Gov. vetoes funding for Complete Florida virtual education pro | wtsp.com
 
De Santis veto vote happened 2 weeks ago ...

July 1, 2020 TAMPA, Fla. — Gov. Ron DeSantis vetoed a list of items on Tuesday, but one of those included the entire budget for an online education service that helps students get a higher education degree for free.

The program, Complete Florida, saw its entire $29.4 million budget disappear come Wednesday morning, leaving thousands of students and teachers in limbo. ..."


Gov. vetoes funding for Complete Florida virtual education pro | wtsp.com
And that effects our discussion how?

Edit: O.K. I see the relevance, in conjunction with your sources dated later than that.
 
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The People of Florida need to have a recall and remove him from office before there isn't anyone left to do it.

lol. Neighborhoods all around me are putting up their Trump signs. Gun sales are skyrocketing. Do you think new gun owners will vote for a democrat who will take their guns away? The Walk Away movement posted 69,000 Democratic party defections
this month alone. Desantis will win again. You can thank the riots, looting, and the mayors that promoted it.
 
This is the new normal. Covid is here to stay like a yearly flu. We go to restaurants, shop, go to the beach, get hair and nails done, but we do wear a mask. NY will fine you $2,000 for forgetting your mask. Florida will warn you. Other states arrest you for playing ball with your kid. Florida won't.

The only reason our cases spiked is because they are testing 100,000 a day and they piled up on the weekend. A recent article actually pinned the new spread to protesters and illegals crossing the border.

In the end you shall see just how well Florida handled the virus while maintaining the economy. Life is great in Florida!
Testing is not why the hospitals & ICUs are filling-up, nor why the deaths are at record levels.
 
Just imagine if every state shut down, and then when they started to reopen, everyone wore a mask. We would probably be past this thing by know.

I doubt every state needs to shutdown, hot States, yes, shutdown most businesses for 2 - 3 weeks and at that point most will have a good handle on the spread and then they can reopen slowly while monitoring the situation. Thinks some States will have no other choice to get a handle on things, right now here in Texas we are about to run out of hospital space and are even getting some relief from the feds to spell the exhausted front line hospital personnel.
 
And that effects our discussion how?


That DeSantis' veto was with regard to an online education program for adults and does not affect general schools, that some school districts beef up their virtual schooling program, that some schools will physically reopen their doors, that those decisions are up to the individual districts, that parents better check with their local school districts.

Gov. Ron DeSantis says parents can decide on school during COVID - South Florida Sun-Sentinel
 
lol. Neighborhoods all around me are putting up their Trump signs. Gun sales are skyrocketing. Do you think new gun owners will vote for a democrat who will take their guns away? The Walk Away movement posted 69,000 Democratic party defections
this month alone. Desantis will win again. You can thank the riots, looting, and the mayors that promoted it.

LOL, Florida is becoming more blue every day, no matter the neighborhood you live in. Here in Texas people bought firearms when the Pandemic kicked and have continued through the protests, the gun buyers are both Dem and Repubs. Most Americans are not one issue voters, but there is one issue they will vote against, trump, and those that followed his lead and resulted in more pain and suffering and deaths, something the Repubs cannot avoid now. We shall see how smart the People of Florida are when the Moron Governor you have runs for re-election, I don't give him a good chance of making it.
 
Testing is not why the hospitals & ICUs are filling-up, nor why the deaths are at record levels.

I doubt every state needs to shutdown, hot States, yes, shutdown most businesses for 2 - 3 weeks and at that point most will have a good handle on the spread and then they can reopen slowly while monitoring the situation. Thinks some States will have no other choice to get a handle on things, right now here in Texas we are about to run out of hospital space and are even getting some relief from the feds to spell the exhausted front line hospital personnel.
Hot states are where they are because governors tolerated indoor congregating in restaurants, bars, clubs, theaters, etc. Abbott, DeSantis, Ducey, and Kemp outright encouraged it and literally reopened their states without ANY restrictions, which was pure madness.

Do we need a full lockdown? No, but we sadly need to close the establishments I just mentioned, as they are the places where spread is the highest. It also wouldn't be a bad idea to put in place a kind of work curfew for all other workers, where only to work and back is permitted in places of high spread.

DeSantis is a special kind of stupid, because not only did he make victory laps because his state was spared in the first wave, but even as his state BURNS the worst he refuses to even issue a statewide mask order.

THIS will not look good in November.

 
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DeSantis kills online learning program amid virus resurgence
Not only is he the real do nothing to help governor as his state gets overrun by this virus, but he is going to force his schools to open and to insure they can not go online, he had he money for such assistance for schools eliminated from the Florida budget. He has to either be out of his mind or the worst politician ever or both. I know he lives and dies by Trump's orders from on high, but this is not a good move. Let me know what you think about his actions.

Good for Florida.
 
That DeSantis' veto was with regard to an online education program for adults and does not affect general schools, that some school districts beef up their virtual schooling program, that some schools will physically reopen their doors, that those decisions are up to the individual districts, that parents better check with their local school districts.

Gov. Ron DeSantis says parents can decide on school during COVID - South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Alright, I found a FL news site that appears to have the full text of order.

The confusion seems to be with the statement propagated by DeSantis' spokesperson, which seems unequivocal:

... all school boards and charter
school governing boards must open brick and mortar schools at least five days per week ...

However if we examine the full order, we find upon further reading that there are a gazillion outs and exceptions. So - good work, Barnacle.

Source: (BocaNewsNow) DESANTIS ORDERS ALL SCHOOLS TO OPEN FOR IN-PERSON LEARNING
 
I doubt every state needs to shutdown, hot States, yes, shutdown most businesses for 2 - 3 weeks and at that point most will have a good handle on the spread and then they can reopen slowly while monitoring the situation. Thinks some States will have no other choice to get a handle on things, right now here in Texas we are about to run out of hospital space and are even getting some relief from the feds to spell the exhausted front line hospital personnel.
Today, NY had zero deaths for the previous 24 hour period. This can be done, and I posted a thread on it with a follow-up post on exactly how it's done.

You crack down hard & solid, until you get the infection rate down to where you can adequately attempt to test, contact-trace, and quarantine every positive. That's how NY did it. And if they could do it after where they were, in the densest city in the country, so can everyone else.

Here's a link to my post:

DP
 
That DeSantis' veto was with regard to an online education program for adults and does not affect general schools, that some school districts beef up their virtual schooling program, that some schools will physically reopen their doors, that those decisions are up to the individual districts, that parents better check with their local school districts.

Gov. Ron DeSantis says parents can decide on school during COVID - South Florida Sun-Sentinel
Thanks for your patience, here. Just after posting, but before reading this, I edited my post to reflect I understand and agree with your point now.
 
Today, NY had zero deaths for the previous 24 hour period. This can be done, and I posted a thread on it with a follow-up post on exactly how it's done.

You crack down hard & solid, until you get the infection rate down to where you can adequately attempt to test, contact-trace, and quarantine every positive. That's how NY did it. And if they could do it after where they were, in the densest city in the country, so can everyone else.

Here's a link to my post:

DP

Agree, but there must be the Will to do the adult thing, we shall see how many deaths it takes to awaken the People to Demand that the right thing must be done.
 
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