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How United Are Democrats? A 96-0 Data Point Offers a Hint

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Joe Biden has emerged from a contested Democratic primary with surprising party unity and without any serious threat on his left flank, according to New York Times/Siena College polls of the six battleground states likeliest to decide the presidency.

Over all, voters in the battleground states who said Bernie Sanders was their top choice for president said they backed Mr. Biden over President Trump, 87 percent to 4 percent. If there was a Bernie-or-Bust movement, it has either faded with the conclusion of the Democratic race, or it never existed in serious numbers in the battleground states.

Mr. Biden commands even more significant support from voters who supported Elizabeth Warren in the primary. The Democrats who said she was their top choice to be the Democratic nominee backed Mr. Biden over Mr. Trump by a staggering margin of 96 percent to 0 percent — even wider than Mr. Biden’s 96-1 lead among those who said he was their top choice in the Democratic primary.
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How United Are Democrats? A 96-0 Data Point Offers a Hint - The New York Times

Last time Democrats were this unified two years ago, it resulted in a record 60+ million voters voting for house Democrats in the 2018 mid-terms. Republicans also had record turn out too for a mid-term election, and STILL lost by 9 million votes.

Last time the Democratic base was this unified and driven during a presidential election was in 2012, where their strong turn out resulted in Obama's re-election DESPITE Obama losing independents 45%-50% to Romney, an even larger deficit than Hillary losing Independents to Trump 4 years later.

There's a "silent majority" alright, but it isn't who Trump and the GOP think it is. Trump and his goons have awoken a sleeping giant, and will face their wrath come November. Idiots.
 
Puigb said:
How United Are Democrats? A 96-0 Data Point Offers a Hint - The New York Times

Last time Democrats were this unified two years ago, it resulted in a record 60+ million voters voting for house Democrats in the 2018 mid-terms. Republicans also had record turn out too for a mid-term election, and STILL lost by 9 million votes.

Last time the Democratic base was this unified and driven during a presidential election was in 2012, where their strong turn out resulted in Obama's re-election DESPITE Obama losing independents 45%-50% to Romney, an even larger deficit than Hillary losing Independents to Trump 4 years later.

There's a "silent majority" alright, but it isn't who Trump and the GOP think it is. Trump and his goons have awoken a sleeping giant, and will face their wrath come November. Idiots.
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I'm very curious and maybe some of our Liberal posters can answer a question. Since the democrats are so certain Joe Biden is going to get elected, do you suppose they are already working out the reasoning behind what a mess the government, business, Covid 19 response, race relations, and the economy, are all in after the first year of he Biden catastrophe? Un, I mean presidency.
 
Integrityrespec said:
I'm very curious and maybe some of our Liberal posters can answer a question. Since the democrats are so certain Joe Biden is going to get elected, do you suppose they are already working out the reasoning behind what a mess the government, business, Covid 19 response, race relations, and the economy, are all in after the first year of he Biden catastrophe? Un, I mean presidency.
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Honestly, it's the Trump supporters who seem to be the more "certain" ones these days. They've become the new Hillary supporters
 
Meh.

www.usnews.com › News › America 2020
1 day ago - Biden, Sanders Release Progressive Unity Platform for Democratic Party ... The second line of the document, a section on climate change, ...

www.cnn.com › 2020/07/08 › politics › joe-biden-bernie-...
23 hours ago - Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden's campaign on Wednesday released a raft of policy recommendations crafted by allies of the crafted by allies of the former vice president and Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont​

The Democrat primary voters didn't go for the Saunder's progressive / radical platform, hence Biden was nominated.

Now, the Biden campaign copy / pastes huge sections of Saunder's platform into their own in the hopes of what? Gaining more voter support?

Didn't the Democratic primary voters already reject those progressive / radical platform platform elements?
Is it reasonable or logical to expect independent voters to support this progressive / radical platform?

This is an example that the progressives / radicals really have taken over the Democrat party and are calling the shots for the classic liberals to adhere to, else be cancelled; an example of the Democrat moderates and liberals surrendering to radicalism which they no longer control, if they ever did (as outcome of the Pelosi / Squad squabbles foreshadowed).

I have my doubts that this will turn out to be a winning strategy, turning over control of the Democrat party, it's agenda and platform over to the progressives / radicals.
 
I wonder own many people can fit in China Joe's basement if he becomes president? He'll probably be president by ZOOM. The technology now exists so they don't actually need Biden for that. A digital Biden could be used operated by the warhawks on foreign military policy, actions and budgeted, by Xi Jinping on foreign economic policy and Angela Merkel domestic policy.
 
Nobody is excited about a Biden presidency.

It's one thing for Bernie supporters to say they prefer Biden over Trump. It's quite another for them to turn out in high numbers to vote for him.

The only way a lackluster candidate like Biden wins this is because people turn out in large numbers not to support Biden, but to oppose Trump. To that end, we can expect an even greater flurry of negative ads and media attention aimed at Trump leading up to the election.
 
Taylor said:
Nobody is excited about a Biden presidency. It's one thing for Bernie supporters to say they prefer Biden over Trump. It's quite another for them to turn out in high numbers to vote for him.

The only way a lackluster candidate like Biden wins this is because people turn out in large numbers not to support Biden, but to oppose Trump. To that end, we can expect an even greater flurry of negative ads and media attention aimed at Trump leading up to the election.
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Anti Trump sentiment resulted in the Democrats taking back the house with relative ease. Anti Trump sentiment is a powerful tool that wins elections.
 
Puigb said:
Anti Trump sentiment resulted in the Democrats taking back the house with relative ease. Anti Trump sentiment is a powerful tool that wins elections.
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Pretty much S.O.P. two years into the Presidency. The Democrats took an even bigger wallop two years into Obama's first term.
 
Taylor said:
Pretty much S.O.P. two years into the Presidency. The Democrats took an even bigger wallop two years into Obama's first term.
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Not by actual votes. Turn out in 2018 dwarfed 2010. Democrat turn out in 2010 was actually low, resulting in a Republican advantage.

Turn out in 2018 was a record high for both parties for a mid-term. Entirely different scenario. If one positive thing comes from Trump's reign of terror, it's he's taught the importance of a mid-term election, and why it matters greatly.
 
The only real division I see in the Democrats comes from the corporatists who love to lie about Bernie supporters, claiming they won't vote for the nominee, when they're the ones with the track record of that behavior, not voting for the nominee when they lost in 2008 at a 25% rate.

But even that seems to have gotten a lot quieter. Yes, Democrats are quite unified against trump. He has the high support from Republicans of any president, but the highest opposition from Democrats of any president. He's going down. I would put his odds of a win at this point in the 1% range. Funny thing is, I think he could improve those chances a lot easily (but still low); but he won't.
 
Bidens electoral victory, even if large, cannot be found a true mandate
 
justabubba said:
Bidens electoral victory, even if large, cannot be found a true mandate
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I think it will be a mandate to obliterate Trumpism from existence.
 
Puigb said:
How United Are Democrats? A 96-0 Data Point Offers a Hint - The New York Times

Last time Democrats were this unified two years ago, it resulted in a record 60+ million voters voting for house Democrats in the 2018 mid-terms. Republicans also had record turn out too for a mid-term election, and STILL lost by 9 million votes.

Last time the Democratic base was this unified and driven during a presidential election was in 2012, where their strong turn out resulted in Obama's re-election DESPITE Obama losing independents 45%-50% to Romney, an even larger deficit than Hillary losing Independents to Trump 4 years later.

There's a "silent majority" alright, but it isn't who Trump and the GOP think it is. Trump and his goons have awoken a sleeping giant, and will face their wrath come November. Idiots.
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What's your point? He has no competition - what happened to the other 4%?

Oh, aoeey, I just realized this was a Gem circle jerk thread.
 
Bullseye said:
What's your point? He has no competition - what happened to the other 4%?

Oh, aoeey, I just realized this was a Gem circle jerk thread.
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A unified Democratic base almost always beats a unified Republican base. Only way you guys win elections anymore is when Democrats stay home and not vote.
 
eohrnberger said:
Meh.

www.usnews.com › News › America 2020
1 day ago - Biden, Sanders Release Progressive Unity Platform for Democratic Party ... The second line of the document, a section on climate change, ...

www.cnn.com › 2020/07/08 › politics › joe-biden-bernie-...
23 hours ago - Presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden's campaign on Wednesday released a raft of policy recommendations crafted by allies of the crafted by allies of the former vice president and Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont​

The Democrat primary voters didn't go for the Saunder's progressive / radical platform, hence Biden was nominated.

Now, the Biden campaign copy / pastes huge sections of Saunder's platform into their own in the hopes of what? Gaining more voter support?

Didn't the Democratic primary voters already reject those progressive / radical platform platform elements?
Is it reasonable or logical to expect independent voters to support this progressive / radical platform?

This is an example that the progressives / radicals really have taken over the Democrat party and are calling the shots for the classic liberals to adhere to, else be cancelled; an example of the Democrat moderates and liberals surrendering to radicalism which they no longer control, if they ever did (as outcome of the Pelosi / Squad squabbles foreshadowed).

I have my doubts that this will turn out to be a winning strategy, turning over control of the Democrat party, it's agenda and platform over to the progressives / radicals.
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Compromise is not "turning over control." You have to reward your supporters. Everybody gets a little piece. Seems to be working very well. Combined with a huge lead with independents, it certainly does look like Biden is gonna win this thing.
 
Bullseye said:
What's your point? He has no competition - what happened to the other 4%?

Oh, aoeey, I just realized this was a Gem circle jerk thread.
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The point is Democrats are more unified than Republicans. It doesn't take but a few points difference to win the election.
 
Puigb said:
Not by actual votes. Turn out in 2018 dwarfed 2010. Democrat turn out in 2010 was actually low, resulting in a Republican advantage.

Turn out in 2018 was a record high for both parties for a mid-term. Entirely different scenario. If one positive thing comes from Trump's reign of terror, it's he's taught the importance of a mid-term election, and why it matters greatly.
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It was certainly quite a change from Obama's second midterm - lowest turnout in 70 years.
 
Taylor said:
It was certainly quite a change from Obama's second midterm - lowest turnout in 70 years.
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I loathe Trump, but have to give him his due in his uncanny ability to drive out record turn out among BOTH parties voters.
 
Michael Cole said:
The point is Democrats are more unified than Republicans. It doesn't take but a few points difference to win the election.
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It's all speculation at this point, IMHO. We saw the same things in 2016. At some point, voting is going to shift from a theoretical whim to actually marking a ballot. And when that happens the person asks himself "do I really want Biden/Trump leading this country for the next four years?"
 
Bullseye said:
It's all speculation at this point, IMHO. We saw the same things in 2016. At some point, voting is going to shift from a theoretical whim to actually marking a ballot. And when that happens the person asks himself "do I really want Biden/Trump leading this country for the next four years?"
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Speculation based on snapshots and trends. It's not blind speculation. It's also not the same as 2016 by any stretch of the imagination. That's the point. Of course things could change, but the clock is ticking and Trump can't seem to make a dent in Biden's lead.
 
Michael Cole said:
Speculation based on snapshots and trends. It's not blind speculation. It's also not the same as 2016 by any stretch of the imagination. That's the point. Of course things could change, but the clock is ticking and Trump can't seem to make a dent in Biden's lead.
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Biden at this point in time has been doing much better than Obama in 2008, 2012, and Clinton in 2016.

If it wasn't for 2016, 99% of people would believe Biden has the election in the bag. But because of 2016, many people, heck even myself included, are still a little weary in the assumption that Biden will win. I have no doubt he'd win if the election were held today, but with four months to go and a deeply unhinged Trump and a historically corrupt DOJ at his disposal...anything can happen sadly. Plus, Putin and his thugs will be working hard to try and elect dear leader again.
 
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Puigb said:
Not by actual votes. Turn out in 2018 dwarfed 2010. Democrat turn out in 2010 was actually low, resulting in a Republican advantage.

Turn out in 2018 was a record high for both parties for a mid-term. Entirely different scenario. If one positive thing comes from Trump's reign of terror, it's he's taught the importance of a mid-term election, and why it matters greatly.
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Part of the issue is that, in general, younger people do not really pay attention to midterm elections. They did in 2018 because of President Trump. I think there needs to be a greater effort to get younger people to the polls during midterm elections since it is just as important to keep the Senate and House balanced as it is to keep our presidential candidates focused on important issues.
 
Puigb said:
Biden at this point in time has been doing much better than Obama in 2008, 2012, and Clinton in 2016.

If it wasn't for 2016, 99% of people would believe Biden has the election in the bag. But because of 2016, many people, heck even myself included, are still a little weary in the assumption that Biden will win. I have no doubt he'd win if the election were held today, but with four months to go and a deeply unhinged Trump and a historically corrupt DOJ at his disposal...anything can happen sadly. Plus, Putin and his thugs will be working hard to try and elect dear leader again.
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Personally, I think that if Trumps numbers don't tighten by the end of August, it's over. There won't be enough to time to close the gap to where he can be within the 3% range to lose the popular and win the EC by a hair - it will just be too much.

The roles are reverse. It's Trump who's running the Clinton campaign. Scandals everyday, constant drama, constant appearance of corruption, and most people now see him as a full blown sociopath that has no business continuing to run the country at this point. He's had a Katrina kind of moment, where 50-55% of the public will never going to trust him and are baked in to vote against him no matter what when they get in the ballot box.
 
Michael Cole said:
As long as he gets 50% plus one in the PV, it will be a mandate.
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actually, that was my point. a 50% plus 1 vote would be a win
but it would not be a mandate FOR biden
it would be a show of opposition to tRump

my hope is Obama will be around to coach joe not to squander his agenda efforts with an appeal to the republicans
biden needs to learn from that massive Obama mistake
this article indicates that an agenda to be implemented is well on its way:
2020 election: Biden-Sanders unity task force releases bold progressive agenda - Vox
 
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