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Do the Democrats reall advocate open borders?

Do the Democrats actually support open borders?

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Do the Democrats REALLY advocate open borders?

They deny it to the end, but after watching the Democratic debates, it's pretty obvious.
 
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Grandpappy said:
They deny it to the end, but after watching the Democratic debates, it's pretty obvious.
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Of, course they do. To them people south of the border are just Democrats they have met yet. :cool:
 
Re: Do the Democrats really advocate open borders?

Grandpappy said:
They deny it to the end, but after watching the Democratic debates, it's pretty obvious.
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Unfortunately, they do support open borders and there is only 1 logical reason for it... Political power. They see illegal immigrants as an unharvested voter block, because why else would they support people coming in and taking jobs and resources from American citizens?

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Re: Do the Democrats really advocate open borders?

Open Boarder policy is a very specific policy, and not even Bernie Sanders endorsed Open Boarders.

Mostly political hacks throw this around for propaganda means. Some democrats may actually endorse Open Boarders, but it's not a policy that is overall sought by the Party and most politicians.
 
Re: Do the Democrats REALLY advocate open borders?

Grandpappy said:
They deny it to the end, but after watching the Democratic debates, it's pretty obvious.
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If you'd listened to what people on the left actually said rather than take Hannity's and Limbaugh's lies about the left as God's truth, you'd know that the answer is a resounding NO!

If you'd paid the slightest bit of honest attention to what was going on in congress, you'd know that the Democrats kept passing several-billion dollar bills for a mix of border security, and merely didn't want the wall.

If you'd thought honestly for half a second, you'd realize you've been had: Trump never cared about any of this. That's why his companies hired illegals until it was reported that he did so. That's why he picked a Great Wall of Derp. He knew that Democrats didn't want a stupid ****ing wall, so he could avoid doing anything about illegals while also reaping the benefit of keeping YOU - you, grandpappy - riled up about the notion that the Democrats must want open borders if they don't want a big useless wall.

But more likely, you know all that. You just hate the illusion Fox painted of "the left", and it's more important to you to harbor that hatred, combined with your false sense of victimhood, so you can feel like you truly belong to a Team. Thus you lie. Again.








Why do Trumpists always lie? Is ugliness that important?
 
And it's also why he had his DHS violate the APA in rescinding the memo that established DACA. Fox wouldn't tell you, but Obama's EO isn't what created DACA. What created DACA was the DHS promulgation of policy in the aforesaid "memo".

The APA controls how executive agencies must function. There are rules. Without something like the APA, they'd be ruled unconstitutional. What Trump did is make a show of "ending" DACA, but having his DHS do the the wrong way on purpose. That's what the cases were all about. SCOTUS finally agreed with the lower courts.

So now, DHS can do it the right way. But it almost certainly won't manage to before the election. Meaning Trump can go into the election with the promise of DACA ending, without having to actually face the consequences of it having ended.
 
Democrats don't support open borders.
 
Re: Do the Democrats REALLY advocate open borders?

Neither party actually wants to limit immigration (legal or not), but are unlikely to state their true motives for keeping things much as they are. Some like the resulting downward pressure on US labor costs while some favor the resulting demographic changes. There is likely some overlap in those groups, but neither party is going to do much (if anything) to reduce immigration (legal or not) so it will most likely (forever?) remain "an issue".
 
lwf said:
Democrats don't support open borders.
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and that was shown when Obama was in office
NO other President in the ENTIRE history of the US has deported more illegals then Obama did
and in the almost 4 years Trump has been in office he still hasn't come near what Obama did in the same time period
this like so much of the lies the right is just that MORE lies
Have a nice evening
 
Look at who voted "yes". . .
 
Tbird19482 said:
and that was shown when Obama was in office
NO other President in the ENTIRE history of the US has deported more illegals then Obama did
and in the almost 4 years Trump has been in office he still hasn't come near what Obama did in the same time period
this like so much of the lies the right is just that MORE lies
Have a nice evening
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And before anyone responds to you by saying "yeah, but more were border 'turn-aways'", such a potential responder might consider the fact that that is actually the most efficient option: get 'em out immediately, and you don't have to deal with the costs of hunting them down, arresting them, paying prosecutors to deal with it in immigration court, and shipping them back out.

It also indicates more border security, not less.
 
Re: Do the Democrats REALLY advocate open borders?

Mr Person said:
If you'd listened to what people on the left actually said rather than take Hannity's and Limbaugh's lies about the left as God's truth, you'd know that the answer is a resounding NO!

If you'd paid the slightest bit of honest attention to what was going on in congress, you'd know that the Democrats kept passing several-billion dollar bills for a mix of border security, and merely didn't want the wall.

If you'd thought honestly for half a second, you'd realize you've been had: Trump never cared about any of this. That's why his companies hired illegals until it was reported that he did so. That's why he picked a Great Wall of Derp. He knew that Democrats didn't want a stupid ****ing wall, so he could avoid doing anything about illegals while also reaping the benefit of keeping YOU - you, grandpappy - riled up about the notion that the Democrats must want open borders if they don't want a big useless wall.

But more likely, you know all that. You just hate the illusion Fox painted of "the left", and it's more important to you to harbor that hatred, combined with your false sense of victimhood, so you can feel like you truly belong to a Team. Thus you lie. Again.








Why do Trumpists always lie? Is ugliness that important?
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Thanks, excellent and truthful post!
 
Mr Person said:
And before anyone responds to you by saying "yeah, but more were border 'turn-aways'", such a potential responder might consider the fact that that is actually the most efficient option: get 'em out immediately, and you don't have to deal with the costs of hunting them down, arresting them, paying prosecutors to deal with it in immigration court, and shipping them back out.

It also indicates more border security, not less.
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Why are you trying to rain on the genuine heartfelt fauxrage?
 
Re: Do the Democrats REALLY advocate open borders?

Demos don't seem to believe there should be significant consequences for crossing the border, and they do believe that deporting anyone needs to be justified.

OTOH, they do tend to support a stronger e-Verify system than what we have now.
 
Re: Do the Democrats REALLY advocate open borders?

Mr Person said:
If you'd listened to what people on the left actually said rather than take Hannity's and Limbaugh's lies about the left as God's truth, you'd know that the answer is a resounding NO!
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Pretty sure the purpose isn't to approach this topic with any shred of intellectual honesty in argument, but rather to stir up an echo chamber and spew political propaganda.

Mr Person said:
Why do Trumpists always lie? Is ugliness that important?
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It is, drama gets ratings. This is Reality-TV Government.
 
No, Democrats do not "really advocate open borders?

Such a blanket statement is always going to be false. I don't know about ALL Democrats but I advocate humane treatment of people at our boarders. The people most affected by Stephen Millers boarder policies are already in a desperate state when they arrive. The Greatest Nation ever on earth should be able to find a way to deal with them humanely.

(bad choices - didn't vote)
 
Re: Do the Democrats REALLY advocate open borders?

Mr Person said:
And before anyone responds to you by saying "yeah, but more were border 'turn-aways'", such a potential responder might consider the fact that that is actually the most efficient option: get 'em out immediately, and you don't have to deal with the costs of hunting them down, arresting them, paying prosecutors to deal with it in immigration court, and shipping them back out.

It also indicates more border security, not less.
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Ikari said:
Pretty sure the purpose isn't to approach this topic with any shred of intellectual honesty in argument, but rather to stir up an echo chamber and spew political propaganda.

It is, drama gets ratings. This is Reality-TV Government.
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Hoo boy, both of you are full of it.

It's democrats who have obstructed deporting, prosecuting, or even cooperating with federal agencies in enforcing immigration law. So much so, that they have implemented Sanctuary status to their cities, hiding and protecting those who have had their day in court, were denied legal entry, and ordered to appear for deportation. They even refuse to work with federal agents trying to serve outstanding warrants, take fugitives into custody, or remove violent repeat felons from the country.

Democrats have left no alternative than to take a hard stand because they won't even entertain the idea of a legal and orderly immigration policy. All they offer is excuses, sob stories, and fake outrage for overhyped children in cages drinking from toilet narratives.

What a bunch of liars.
 
Democrats just want to prolong the legal process, continue it indefinitely, clog the legal system and pipeline, then come in and claim, "but, but..they been here five years! But, but...Maria is a MOTHER!!"

A bunch of loaded malarkey. Democrats are obstructionists and hate the rule of law.

I assure you, they're coming for the founders statues now, and next up, the founders documents.
 
Huh. I would have thought the libs here saw the Democratic debates.....Guess not. Wait, was I supposed to forget what they said?
 
Grandpappy said:
Huh. I would have thought the libs here saw the Democratic debates.....Guess not. Wait, was I supposed to forget what they said?
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Note how the Trumpist cowardly posts, attacking people without quoting them, hoping it means his remark stands unchallenged and thus that he "won" something.

Note also how he ran away from every single counter-point and explanation.
 
Re: Do the Democrats REALLY advocate open borders?

Grandpappy said:
They deny it to the end, but after watching the Democratic debates, it's pretty obvious.
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It is not about open borders but about Commerce well regulated in our market based economy. There is no Immigration clause in our federal Constitution and we should have no illegals or illegal underclass. Why does the right wing eschew capitalism every time it comes up?
 
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