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Marxism Good, Moscow Bad?

sanman said:
So how do you figure that? Can you please explain, or elaborate?

How would a Soviet Union that was more marxist-leninist have been less of an enemy of the United States? How would America have felt less threatened by them?

By contrast, imagine that the Soviet Union had a system of govt like America's. Would that have made them more of a threat to the United States?
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The most powerful countries are always enemies because they are competitors. It has little to do with politics
 
sanman said:
I watch the show she's on with that other guy Saagar. I like their show, because they call out a lot of fakeness, and they go after both sides of the swamp.
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I don't much watch CNN. I was just toying with you. Nothing wrong with admiring the beauty in the opposite (or same) sex.
 
danielpalos said:
A moot point since the right wing refuses to pay wartime tax rates for our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror. Tax cut economics is capital proof of no confidence in those warfare-State public policies.
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Don't deflect into a tax argument, I'm not asking about taxation rates. I'll repeat again:

Bigotry?? NATO is a Euro-centric organization which sees large amounts of American money doled out to Europeans. Trump upset the Left by questioning why Europeans can't pay their own fair share -- and you call this "bigotry"?

When you say "bigotry for foreign policy", are you complaining about "bigotry" against White Europeans?

Or are you just not able to see the forest through the trees?

Trump: Europe has to pay more for its defense
Euro-lobby: Trump is Stooge of Putin! And Bigot!
danielpalos: yass! stop bigotree!
Me: :roll:
 
Michael Cole said:
I don't much watch CNN. I was just toying with you. Nothing wrong with admiring the beauty in the opposite (or same) sex.
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Her and Saagar aren't on CNN - they're on an independent show called Rising, on TheHill.com
 
sanman said:
Don't deflect into a tax argument, I'm not asking about taxation rates. I'll repeat again:

Bigotry?? NATO is a Euro-centric organization which sees large amounts of American money doled out to Europeans. Trump upset the Left by questioning why Europeans can't pay their own fair share -- and you call this "bigotry"?

When you say "bigotry for foreign policy", are you complaining about "bigotry" against White Europeans?

Or are you just not able to see the forest through the trees?

Trump: Europe has to pay more for its defense
Euro-lobby: Trump is Stooge of Putin! And Bigot!
danielpalos: yass! stop bigotree!
Me: :roll:
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I am not deflecting. We should shut down our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror since the Richest don't want to pay their share of them.
 
vegas giants said:
The most powerful countries are always enemies because they are competitors. It has little to do with politics
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So according to what you're saying, America's antagonism with Moscow has little to do with politics, and is mainly some pointless reflexive competition. In which case, why support this pointless reflexive animosity toward Moscow?

Why not help to end it, for the betterment of international relations and the world's stability & prosperity?

Is it because the greedy creatures from Washington's Swamp told you not to?
 
sanman said:
So according to what you're saying, America's antagonism with Moscow has little to do with politics, and is mainly some pointless reflexive competition. In which case, why support this pointless reflexive animosity toward Moscow?

Why not help to end it, for the betterment of international relations and the world's stability & prosperity?

Is it because the greedy creatures from Washington's Swamp told you not to?
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Because they are competitors. It is the nature of man. The two biggest dogs always fight ot out.


You want to surrender?
 
danielpalos said:
I am not deflecting. We should shut down our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror since the Richest don't want to pay their share of them.
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Minorities suffer disproportionately from the afflictions of drugs and crime, but you want them to cook in that cauldron.
You'd prefer that to giving up your precious crusade against Russia on the other side of the world, which does nothing to improve the lives of Americans.

NATO and its gravy train are affirmative action for White Europeans - the original colonizers.
 
sanman said:
Minorities suffer disproportionately from the afflictions of drugs and crime, but you want them to cook in that cauldron.
You'd prefer that to giving up your precious crusade against Russia on the other side of the world, which does nothing to improve the lives of Americans.

NATO and its gravy train are affirmative action for White Europeans - the original colonizers.
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Equality and equal protection of the laws matters more. Minorities can suffer less with equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in at-will employment States.
 
danielpalos said:
Equality and equal protection of the laws matters more. Minorities can suffer less with equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in at-will employment States.
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No, you want to milk minorities for votes while throwing them under a bus - so that you can send more money to your white relatives in Europe, in the name of "fighting Russia", a declining has-been power.
 
sanman said:
No, you want to milk minorities for votes while throwing them under a bus - so that you can send more money to your white relatives in Europe, in the name of "fighting Russia", a declining has-been power.
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Projection is what the right wing does best. Your guy is a reality, right wing example in action.
 
danielpalos said:
Projection is what the right wing does best. Your guy is a reality, right wing example in action.
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Trump isn't sending free money to the white NATO relatives in Europe - he's asking them to pay their fair share.

Trump isn't the one trying to fool minorities in America, feeding them soma just to fleece them for votes, so that he can go back to feeding his white NATO relatives in Europe.

You're the one who's projecting - that's just your easy convenient dodge.
 
sanman said:
Trump isn't sending free money to the white NATO relatives in Europe - he's asking them to pay their fair share.

Trump isn't the one trying to fool minorities in America, feeding them soma just to fleece them for votes, so that he can go back to feeding his white NATO relatives in Europe.

You're the one who's projecting - that's just your easy convenient dodge.
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Alienating our allies for the benefit of the Russians?
 
danielpalos said:
Alienating our allies for the benefit of the Russians?
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"Our allies" - you mean your white relatives whom you perpetually need to send money to - ie. the NATO gravy train that requires justification by labeling the Russians as the perpetual "enemy"

The moment Trump asked them to pay their fair share, was when the NATO lobby in DC started murmuring, and came up with the idea of "Russia colusion"

Because to challenge the gravy train is to branded an enemy of the state - the Deep state and its corrupt crony politicians

If you challenge the gravy train, then you get accused of being in bed with Putin. Funny how that works.
 
sanman said:
"Our allies" - you mean your white relatives whom you perpetually need to send money to - ie. the NATO gravy train that requires justification by labeling the Russians as the perpetual "enemy"

The moment Trump asked them to pay their fair share, was when the NATO lobby in DC started murmuring, and came up with the idea of "Russia colusion"

Because to challenge the gravy train is to branded an enemy of the state - the Deep state and its corrupt crony politicians

If you challenge the gravy train, then you get accused of being in bed with Putin. Funny how that works.
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Why do we have any strategic posture against the Russians if they are our good friends?
 
danielpalos said:
Why do we have any strategic posture against the Russians if they are our good friends?
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Because you need us to transfer money to your White Relatives in Europe, and in order to do that, a "BigBadRussian enemy" is required.

Any attempt to challenge or break away from the narrative of "BigBadRussian enemy" would endanger the Gravy Train, and thus requires that the challenger be branded as EvilStoogeOfPutin.
Oh, and besides calling them StoogeOfPutin, in the classic McCarthyite smear, it's necessary to slather on any other smears, like racist, misogynist, homophobe, you name it.
 
sanman said:
Because you need us to transfer money to your White Relatives in Europe, and in order to do that, a "BigBadRussian enemy" is required.

Any attempt to challenge or break away from the narrative of "BigBadRussian enemy" would endanger the Gravy Train, and thus requires that the challenger be branded as EvilStoogeOfPutin.
Oh, and besides calling them StoogeOfPutin, in the classic McCarthyite smear, it's necessary to slather on any other smears, like racist, misogynist, homophobe, you name it.
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Interesting perspective. Why have that posture since the end of the Second World War?
 
danielpalos said:
Interesting perspective. Why have that posture since the end of the Second World War?
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Unfortunately, it's grown into its own monster - a "military industrial complex" - which Eisenhower, a WW2 general who became America's first president following WW2, strongly warned Americans about.




If Eisenhower had made that speech today, you'd all be calling him a "stooge of Putin".
 
sanman said:
Unfortunately, it's grown into its own monster - a "military industrial complex" - which Eisenhower, a WW2 general who became America's first president following WW2, strongly warned Americans about.




If Eisenhower had made that speech today, you'd all be calling him a "stooge of Putin".
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Not really. We already know the right wing is disingenuous regarding spending and taxes as long as they can try to blame the Poor.
 
danielpalos said:
Not really. We already know the right wing is disingenuous regarding spending and taxes as long as they can try to blame the Poor.
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The Right are about allowing people to keep their own money, instead of paying it all into the pockets of greedy politicians who only pay lip-service to the poor.
 
sanman said:
pro-tip: national debt is caused by over-spending -- eg. like when we keep showering money on your white relatives in Europe
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Or, useless implied right wing fantasy for alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror that you also don't want to pay for.
 
danielpalos said:
Or, useless implied right wing fantasy for alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror that you also don't want to pay for.
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Ohh, so you don't want money to be spent on fighting crime, or on fighting drugs, or on fighting terrorism.

Poor people suffer badly from crime and drugs. To me, it looks like you don't actually care for poor people at all.

Whatever debate one wants to have on how to best carry out the fight against crime, or the war on drugs, is totally aside from the basic issue of whether to prioritize attention and budgetary allocation to these things.
Society would be much better off funding these things than on sending money to you white relatives in Europe as part of some gravy train called NATO.
 
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